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Armando: Reason Miami did nothing on Black Monday? Ross blindsided by loss

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Dec 31, 2013.

  1. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Well, at least we're honest about those unused checks and balances thingies.

    Personally, I thought it was a nice move by pocoloco to throw your own tactic of exaggerating scales back at you. The presidential cabinet is about as an exaggerated scale as it gets.
     
  2. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Huh? Its nothing about scales. The NFL owners dictate how valuable their own labor force is. That is the beauty of a cartel.
     
  3. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    People still believe this to be the reason?

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  4. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Straw man and hyperbole much? Thanks for isolating this one part of my post to alter the context and leaving everything else out, which it seems you didn't read. I mentioned nothing about Ireland being irreplaceable. NOTHING. Secondly, even you yourself think we can do worse so I have no idea why you're arguing against my post. Here, let me refresh your memory, hypocrite:

    So clearly you believe you don't just fire Ireland for the sake of it and then attempt to wing his replacement afterward b/c there are most definitely worse candidates out there than the guy who built a roster that was a week 17 game away from the playoffs despite being poorly coached. We're drafting 19th, not 3rd. Obviously that's not where we want to be but only a naive dimwit would think we could do no worse.

    Even if Mr Ross has a list of great GM candidates it doesn't mean a deal will be worked out or that he'll accept the job. Harbaugh was a great candidate. How did that work out? One more year with Ireland [if we can't land a top notch candidate] would clearly be a better option than 4 years with someone like Polian who potentially guts the team and leaves us worse off in 4 years when we're looking for his replacement than we currently are. It's like some of you care more about firing Ireland than ensuring the team's greatest good moving forward, b/c like I said- firing Irleland isn't the solution; finding an upgrade is.
     
  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Why are people still listening to Armando?
     
  6. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Yes, there are plenty of worse people out there. I'm not sure why you're trying to present my position on Ireland as somehow inconsistent; for example, I once argued that he was better over his tenure (starting in 2008) than Bill Polian was over that same time frame (since 2008). I stand by that. My issues with Ireland are well documented and posted probably dozens of times. No need to rehash them here.

    The context of your post is that you don't think Ireland should be fired unless a clearly better option is available. I did not destroy your context, I disagreed with your context.
     
  7. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Holy **** I was thinking this too and was gunna say something.
     
  8. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I too hate reasonable logic ...... :lol:
     
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  9. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Im more afraid of ireland being replaced by someone who digs us in a deeper hole over the next few years than I am of ireland getting another year. I think all the options kinda blow.. but who knows.
     
  10. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    12-4
     
  11. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I can't believe people are still ragging on you about that. Unreal.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    IMO, there are a lot of reasons to want Ireland gone, but not getting Harbaugh isn't one of them.
     
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  13. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    It was the reason, genius. LOL at you actually believing the uprooting of his family and ditching an opportunity to follow his mentor's footsteps [Bill Walsh] in San Francisco had nothing to do with it. What don't you understand about the negotiating concept of using "leverage"?
     
  14. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Completely agree. Spilled milk at this point and in retrospect it was beyond a long shot to begin with
     
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  15. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Wrong. You tried twisting it into making it sound like I suggested he was "irreplaceable".
     
  16. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    it is what it is.

    It's Stupid.
     
  17. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I was messing with ya.

    Countering all of this, "How can he not be prepared he's a billionaire stuff."

    He had a plan once. And it involved flying to SF while a coach was still here. Moves can still be made and need to be made. Ross is a decent owner, if a bit clueless about the cuththroat nature the NFL is if you want to win.
     
  18. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Dolphins are a reflection of their General Manager. Mediocre. Middle of the pack. Just meh.

    There is a valid point arguing the team could do worse, but just as valid is to think they can and should do better.


    I think Ireland should be fired because he brings, what IMHO is the worse of situations. Not good enough to set you apart, but not bad enough to force you into a decision. He has this team in the very very uncomfortable situation of knowing you have to get someone better, but fearing you might as well end up with someone worse.

    IMO it is worth a gamble to get someone else, even if you're unlucky and end up with someone worse. The team just cannot continue to go forward mired in this morass of mediocrity.
     
  19. firedan

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    You have to think change is on the way,no way they stand pat and keep everyone.
    But then again, they have not always done what I thought they would do.
     
  20. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    They'll do the very minimum that can be done and still be said to be "making changes." Likely replacing Mike Sherman and not much else.
     
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  21. DPlus47

    DPlus47 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ross in a prior lifetime...

    [video=youtube;FBg478jtpus]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBg478jtpus[/video]
     
  22. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    Come to Club and find out that you're not a genius either. $8m/yr can make most folks move their family's across country. Others have given the reason why, you're welcome to join to find out.

    -Sent from my TMO Samsung Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk
     
  23. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    He said there would be "significant changes" :lol:
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Ross offered him $8m/yr? How much did SF end up signing him for?
     
  25. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    That's isn't the point. There is more to the story that made Harbaugh take the 49ers job and it isn't what people are thinking of him not wanting to uproot his family.

    After reading what some have wrote I wished I worked for Ross and never worry about getting fired since he's such a nice guy. Loved the OL request, lol. Join club to find out.

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  26. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I guess the Niners are paying him in popsicle sticks, eh? He's living out of a box as San Fran's head coach is he? :001_rolleyes:

    Way to create a statement in a vacuum as if Miami was his only financial opportunity. Do you think before you talk? I also notice you chose the word "can" rather than "$8m/yr makes all folks move their families across country" which shows you comprehend this isn't a universal standard, yet for some cuckoo reason you think it's inapplicable to Harbaugh even though he had greater emotional reasons to STAY in California and opt for the Niners than uproot his family and move across the country to a location he has no ties with when he had zero necessity to do so.

    WTF would you uproot your family, reject following in your close mentor Walsh's footsteps, turn down what looked like a beneficial NFCW division, and ditch an opportunity to face your brother in a Super Bowl if you don't have to? You're clearly a childless single male who still naively and superficially believes the most important thing in life is money.
     
  27. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    yeah, besides the important family issue he already had ties and connections with San Francisco. He had zero with Miami. He didn't want to move to Miami. His wife and kids didn't want to leave everything behind and move across the country to Miami when they didn't HAVE to. Bill Walsh wasn't from Miami. Even if Harbaugh were facing identical employment situations he would not have chosen Miami for these very reasons. He took less money to keep his family in Cali and to go with an organization he has ties with and was more familiar & comfortable with because of it. That tells you all you need to know about how much he wanted the Niners job.
     
  28. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    You completely missed his inference.

    I'll say this; the club level is an important asset to this board.
     
  29. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    You must of had one messed up holiday to be insulting me. It's OK, I believe what was written in club. Come join us to find out the real reason. I promise I'll be gentle once you realize your error. Hope you have a wonderful New Years!

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  30. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    But I would stop short of saying what was disclosed in Club was the sole reason for Harbaugh not taking the job.
     
  31. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Of course. I'm just saying there is additional information. :yes:
     
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  32. finwin

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    I'm concerned about no announcement yet. I thought I'd wake up to some decisions. The Patriots OC is on the table as a top hire. It should have already happened
     
  33. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    I'm not saying what was disclosed there as the sole reason.

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  34. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I wouldn't even say it was a major part. It'll just infuriate fans in general. It was 3 years ago, I think Ross learned a lot when chasing Harbaugh. To the point that he chased Fisher with Carl Peterson on his arm.
     
  35. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    To be honest I want Sherman gone more than any other personz along with a new offensive line coach. So I'd actually be okay with that if we hired the right person.
     
  36. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Because Patriot coordinators have such a stellar record as head coaches....
     
  37. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    who is ross confiding in? who does he talk to for advice?

    why does it feel like we are ****ed?
     
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  38. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    The club section virtually died , there was nothing at all there of any significance for a long period of time so I let it lapse.

    Is it worth it to renew?

    Not that it is a lot , just there really was nothing.
     
  39. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    I honestly hope he did but part of me thinks he hasn't. We shall see soon enough.

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  40. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    Not soon enough for me. Let it be known one way or another.
     

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