"If at first you dont succeed"....... try not to go insane ? I don't think that phrase makes sense when your referring to a growing process of learning and adapting. This system was implemented 24 months ago, and though I know we all have different levels of patience...... And this past season felt like a looooong one.... We are a baby as a team. You could better define insanity as having no patience for a process to develop, constantly dismantling it before you ever accomplish anything. I think we all agree there has to be some changes, I'm beyond disgusted with Philbin and staff. But it's not like we've been doing the same thing over, and over again. Not yet, atleast. Now, with wannyball, we certainly got to that point. Many here seem almost invigorated ! Change !!!!!!
Well, this is a tough situation. There are 4 people that I think should be gone: Ireland; Then on staff: 1) Sherman; 2) Taylor (QB coach); and 3) Turner OL coach. But, given that Ross did not have any sort of plan in place and seems to be just reeling at this point, the concern is who would come in. I actually would not mind giving a bit more power to Aponte and letting Gaine move into Ireland's slot on a bit of an interim basis. Then let the 3 coaches above go. That would give the staff another year and allow some continuity without blowing things up. But it would also create changes in dysfunctionality that is in the organization. And, if it fails next year, then blow it up. My first choice would be a new GM. But, that does not necessitate blowing up the staff. If when he interviews the top execs indicate they would like to give Philbin another year and that it won't hurt the new GM's future (give him a 5 year deal) then it may not blow up the entire organization. That could still come next year Philbin doesn't improve. Keeping Ireland would be the worst case scenario, imo. He really has never had success.
That's what concerns me most. He was banking on the Dolphins going to the playoffs despite what happened in week 16. I mean, seriously? You HAVE to have contingencies in place; clearly he didn't. And that is why the Dolphins fail.
Some of the people in this thread that cant seem to believe the season has ended, should re-read this till their eyes bleed. Wake up! We lost two straight games to teams that had no business beating us, but they did and soundly. So just can one guy, yeah, that should make us right as rain.
It means doing the exact same thing in the exact same way and expecting different results Is insane. Not that you shouldn't try again ig uou fail.
That would be retaining Ireland. But, with those 3 offensive coaches gone it is not the same thing. It would allow Philbin one more year to grow as a coach. Btw, 4 of Belichick's first 5 seasons were losing seasons: 7-9, 7-9, 11-5, 5-11, 5-11. No way will that guy be a winner. He got lucky one season (even Tony Sparano did that!). Philbin has a better record after two years than Belichick did. Belichick was also viewed as a coach who could not relate to his players. I am not arguing Philbin is the next Belichick. But, giving him another year is simply allowing him to grow as a coach and give him a better opportunity to shape the team that he has. And it is certainly not insanity. Retaining Ireland might be. (And, JJ was 1-15, and 7-9 his first two years; went to playoffs year 3, won SB in years 4-5).
BB probably wouldn't have been a winner if Brady doesn't get off the bench. They were 0-2 and losing game 3 when Bledsoe got hurt.
Most coaches would not be a winner without a good QB. Same would be true of Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman. Walsh and Montana. etc., etc. It's a flawed argument to say BB's success is purely Brady. All the players under those coaches (JJ, Walsh, BB, etc.) believe their coach was the best at the time. But, saying Belichick's success is a fluke and only because of Brady is flawed. Partly chicken and egg. One could argue that Brady would not be what he was without Belichick. Bledsoe was not fully Bill's boy. Belichick also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.
Ireland, philbin, sherman, turner.....Ya gotta kill one, fire one, keep one, and send one to the jets.... Go! Go!
False. 2 years, entirely new systems implemented on both sides of the ball with an entirely new staff, rookie HC, DC, qb, etc. All while In the middle major roster turnover. Half the starters on each side of the ball weren't starting or weren't even here in 2012. The continuity has hardly begun. not to say I too haven't grown impatient, but let's not say we've been at this for a handful of years, like, for instance....... The cowboys have. Although they did attempt to rework their defense.... I wish some of us fans could be forced to be cowboys fans for a year and then come back with some perspective !
You just know the team is in dire straits if we have to use the name Wanne in a post in which there is a voice of reason!!!!!!! Now, to negotiate these straits.... Ah , That is the question! We know that the play calling was abysmal - right down to an entirely all to predictable 4th and inches call. We also know that despite the horrid offensive line play - Lamar Miller still averaged 4.0 yards per carry. We have seen glimpses of his ability, and were there to have been any openings on the incredibly numerous plays in which there absolutely was none, he would probably have had more yards. To those who lay blame at the feet of a second year quarterback - even though he endured 58 sacks, he came withing a hairs breadth of 4,000 yards, threw 24 touchdowns, and led the team in several 4th quarter game winning drives in his sophomore season. The team has something upon which to build in this young man - given an offensive coordinator who began to harken back to the day of Henning with his predictability and conservative play calling - even in extremely vital games! To me, it always comes back to the place the game begins. The offensive line simply MUST be rebuilt - immediately. But, they must not be restricted by the lack of talent in the coaching competency of the entire offensive unit. Sherman, Taylor, and Turner must go. Whether Philbin must go or not depends on how he handles the dictum which mandates these members of his staff be replaced. If he cannot handle that, I would contact Ken Whisenhunt. Then find a GM who would work with him, and with whom he could work, who would have final call on personnel decisions. Defense must also accept its earned allotment of the blame for the lack of competency this season. They simply could not force 3 and out drives when the team needed them, usually, it seemed to me, because of lack of ability to stop the run. Two new linebackers did not fill the roles for which they were obtained. That, no matter what the penalty, is a situation which cannot be allowed to remain. We have too may people who have shown the capacity to make plays to have the number of gouging and slashing runs which destroyed late game opportunity to win. Unfortunately, all of them were not on the field, and two of them were on the field too much - Wheeler and Ellerbe. I know they can take consolation from their athletic ineptitude by judicious application of their salary.... much to our chagrin. That would lead me to conclude that there needs to be some new leadership with that unit as well.
The jets finished ahead of us in the division..with a struggling rookie 2nd round pick Qb.. They did a better job coaching their players. The problem with this situation is you have to have a conviction about firing your coach so your able to talk to other coaching prospects...Gus, Mora JR, and Cowher probably don't wanna talk to you if your current coach is under contract.
Thats where the tight rope is stretched between the current coach and the new. We've proven we cannot balance ourselves. Remember when Sparano was standing behind Ross during the press conference? The pained expression on his face, like damn, I've just been humiliated but hey, I still get paid, so looks like I have to stay. We suck at it. Now I'm just hoping , not so much.
To quote Big Jake.... Not hardly. That is from WWII obviously, and I am only 64. It is just a picture which captured my fancy since I am an avid Naval History Afficionado (a fancy word for 'nut.') If I am not on this board, I spend a lot of time playing a game named "War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition" which simulates that conflict in excruciating detail. WWII was my Dad's war - in the USMC. Mine was was VietNam.
My dad was in WWII also: he was the nosegunner on a B24 bomber. Got shot down over the Ploesti Oil Fields, bailed out and was in a POW camp for a bit less than a year. He died almost 11 years ago now.
So, if Ross hands Ireland his pink slip and without regard to whoever the GM job goes to, what are you going to say?
If Ireland gets canned and anyone else stays we will be talking about this again in 3 years. Everyone goes. Start from scratch My other consideration would be to bring in a new OC, my choice would be Kubiak. Not sure if it is doable with all the vacancies. He may end up a HC. For consistency reasons I would stay the course. People are to impatient. This team has had only 2 years to put it together. Had the line not exploded we would have made the playoffs. We are close. But hey...If you guys want to blow it up
We need to be smart about this. Bringing in a OC right now with the intent to make him HC if next year implodes is the way to go. Let whomever, get the in's and out's of who's who and evaluate our talent. Haste makes waste. We need to at least have a plan.
IF we keep Ireland its over, no doubt about it. Not only has he never shown any real ability to build a team that can win but we are going to be leaving him in there as a lame duck with no job security. So that means desperation signings, no thoughts for the future and "need" picks over the "right" pick. In other words, no ****ing way, no ****ing way. NO ****ing way.
It's over if we get rid of just him. Let him stay. Bring in some people, evaluate from within, then fire his a$$. Whats the worse that will happen 8-8. We can Ireland and start over next year we are 3-13.
Then we take Jameis Winston and trade Tannehill. I can think if a lot worse scenarios including being 7-9 or 8-8 again
Yea, I really didn't think of the implifications of picking again in the middle of the pack if we end up 8-8. I guess my next choice is to clean house, suck it up for a couple and start fresh with some high round picks. It will just kill me to see us 2-14, 3-13
No, you listen to the folks of 'The Council' and pick a man who could go through the assets the team has and build upon what is already there. We don't need a fire sale, we need a restructure of the way we go forward. Surely there is someone who would just love to take Ireland's SNAFU and make it into a Super Bowl contender. The guys he is talking to about the bullygate foulup can also advise Ross about the reality of who needs to come in as GM.
My dad was in the 35th Infantry Regiment (Cacti), attached to the 25th Division (Tropic Lightning), in WWII. Guadalcancal, Vella Lavella, New Georgia, Luzon. He got drafted first by the Navy but they 4F'd him because he was missing the 2nd finger on his left hand. The army took him though no problem. He was 32 yrs old at the time. Timber fallers back then were considered vital to the war effort, or so I was told, and some got deferments. Most of his friends and coworkers, including his brothers, never had to go. My dad never even considered asking for a deferment.
