When Does It Become Obvious? When Ireland breaks wind in a closed door meeting and doesn't allow anyone to leave for fresh air.
Where the blame lies for what though? I think the biggest disconnect isn't between the GM an Coach it's between the team and the fans. They're taking the slow and steady approach while the fans want heads on spikes bc they haven't produced a winner right away.
Slow and steady? IT'S BEEN 6 YEARS. HOW MUCH MORE SLOW AND STEADY CAN IT GET Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk
Then there's your "disconnect". Clearly on Ross, certainly not on the fans Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk
Yes, and the scouts, everyone on his team responsible for player personnel and roster building. Both NFL, and college level scouts included. They're all fair game at this point IMO. Either his scouting staff is giving him the wrong information leading to him selecting the wrong players, or it's simply him. Either way, they're all to blame. At this point, I'd also begin consider the coaching staff as part of that structure. Sherman should be already out IMO. Aside from that, I'm not sure I understand the purpose of your question, because again... its quite obvious we have a talent issue, and have had a major talent issue at one or more positions at every point in time in his tenure here, whether that's with Parcells, or without Parcells, its really irrelevant because its a persistent issue.
I don't agree there was a disconnect. The coaching staff stated before the season that they wanted to players with specific skills and those kinds of players were brought in. The coaches went so far as to review film of the potential FA targets. Even Incognito's dad who used to post here stated that Philbin was heavily involved in the process. I think the only disconnect may have been that the coaches tended to prefer vets to youngsters.
Cog's dad was also an idiot in almost every way. I think most of us held that opinion of him long before we knew who he was. He has no credibility.
All teams have talent issues, the salary cap and FA make it impossible not to. If you think some other GM will come here and build the perfect roster I think you're mistaken.
I disagreed with him on most opinions, however, he would probably have some insight into Phibin's involvement in the signing of his son and other players.
I don't think anyone expects any GM to build a PERFECT roster. What we want is a GM who can actually build a roster better than the Bills and Jets. As long as Belicheck and Brady are in New England, it is going to be hard for any GM of the Dolphins to build a roster which will be good enough to beat the Patriots for the AFC East division. It would also be nice if the next GM can build a team that doesn't go five consecutive years without a winning record, as this team has done with Ireland as the Dolphins GM.
Defend at all costs eh? Nobody said anything about a perfect roster. What we need is a balanced roster. Not one where we have a complete unit such as the OL as being completely useless with the exception of Pouncey. Maybe our two newly signed FA linebackers to at least be better than the ones we released/didnt re-sign. Maybe a WR that actually fits what the offensive staff is trying to accomplish, maybe drafting some players that can actually contribute, it goes on and on... open up those eyes.
Yawn. No need to defend anyone. The debate is pretty much over, he's not getting fired. But you can fax your little list over to Davie if that'll make you feel better.
Sparano Leftover's?? When was he supposed to have the chance to change that?? Last off season. He made the changes Philbin asked for and put a 11-5, 12-4 team on the field. The coaches failed to coach. At Philbin's request Long, Dansby, Burnette, Bush and Vonte were sent packing.
He was working for Parcells, under the guidelines put in place by Parcells until at least 2010. In 2011 he had lame duck Sparano on board so he wasn't building a team for anyone in particular. In 2012 Philbin was hired so he's now putting a roster together for a new coach, without anyone looking over his shoulder, for the first time.
That was Ross's biggest mistake as an owner. He should have fired Ireland when he fired Sparano. Unfortunately he didn't but it's never not too late to right a wrong. Time for Ireland to be shown the door.
Ummm, no? Prove that Philbin had responsibility for any of those decisions. Those were Ireland decisions. And yes, Joe Philbin and Sherman are trying to fit square Sparano pegs into Philbin's round holes... Two different systems and yet Ireland doesn't seem to understand the difference. People keep talking about 11-5 talent and all this other BS. This isn't Madden. Players have to fit schemes and roles. Most of the "offensive playmakers" don't. And the offensive line is just a travesty.
Congrats I guess... you may be right? Is that what you're looking for out of this? Congrats. We'll continue to struggle to be a .500 team while Ireland is still employed. Way to be proud.
Philbin showed up for his interview with a comprehensive blueprint of how an NFL franchise should be structured and run. Ross has stated multiple times that they have been executing that plan.
Exactly what inside information do you have that the rest of us don't have? How is it you know for a fact that Philbin requested that Long, Burnett, Dansby, Bush, and Davis be let go from the team in one way or another? Especially when it has been reported that Philbin wanted to cut Incognito after the incident at the golf course and he was overruled in his attempt to cut him. When Philbin came to the Dolphin organization, it was made clear to him that Ireland had final say so over all player personnel decisions. While Ireland probably speaks to Philbin and and the coaches about the players. He is the one man in the organization who has the final say in regards to cutting, trading, signing or drafting players. Jeff Fisher did not want to coach the Dolphins because Ross told him that Ireland, not the head coach has final say on all player personnel matters. So no matter what Philbin said or didn't say. It was Ireland who gave up on Long, Dansby, Burnett, Bush, and Davis, and instead replaced each of these players with inferior players at their position. If for no other reason, getting rid of better players and replacing them with worse players should be enough for Ross to get rid of Ireland and Philbin, if he did request Ireland get rid of this players, as you state he did.
We as fans have become so unaccustomed to winning that mediocrity is defensible now. That's when it SHOULD be obvious but the franchise is so blinded.
I have a question. The Dolphins have the worst offensive line in the history of the franchise, who gets the blame or takes the responsibility for that? Or is that just part of the grand plan to build this team into a playoff quality team?
I should be the one congratulating you. You can break Vegas with that kinda predicting expertise. Do you have a crystal ball or is it one of those psychic hotline thingys?
Ironically, back in 09-10 when we had a good-great OL fans wanted everyone fired bc we didn't have a QB. It's no secret the OL needs to attention. Obviously Ireland prioritized other areas last off season, now that those other areas are taken care of I'm guessing the OL is now priority 1. It's not a blow up the franchise situation.
Its neither, it's called common sense after witnessing what's gone on here since he arrived on the scene. Deny it all you want, that's fine... I don't think he's the right man for the job. It's just going to lead to another close but no cigar season likely next year. Hopefully I'm wrong, but history doesn't point us in that direction here. Hell, I'd love for Ireland to be name GM of the year next year if we're stuck with him. Chances of that though are about as good as me winning $50 million in the lottery here tomorrow.
Dude.....you can not turn over an entire 53 man roster in 2 season's LOL..... Madden Nice try at the deflection - that's always the argument when there is no argument. Philbin is 100% involved in every player currently on the roster. The production in both 2012 and 2013 was a step back from 2011 under a different coaching staff. Indeed, the Dolphins were 20th in the NFL averaging 20.6 points per game in 2011 and that was considered poor and helped lead to a change in coaches. So basically, the new offensive staff the past two years has gotten less production than the previous offensive staff. The lack of production for the Dolphins rests with players, of course, but also with offensive coordinator Mike Sherman, offensive line coach Jim Turner and others. That's the reason Ross is pushing for staff changes. But Philbin can stand in the way of change because while Ross is the owner, Philbin's contract grants him the authority on hiring and firing assistants. And on Monday during his season-ending press conference, Philbin defended his assistants, starting with Sherman, despite the obvious case against them. “I have a lot of confidence in our staff, our offensive staff with Mike Sherman," the coach said. "He’s an excellent football coach, and that’s what I think." And the offense? “Well again, the game is not played on a stat sheet," he said. "My feeling is Week 17 we had a game had we won, which we didn’t win, we would have been in the playoffs. That’s where I’m getting the barometer that we are not that far away. We are close. I acknowledge the fact that on that paper there is a lot of room for improvement, a lot of room for improvement." Philbin became very uncomfortable and even combative about the idea of possibly firing assistants beginning with Sherman. He was asked if he was capable of such of move if that was required of him ... Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...ues-on-offense-and-that-me.html#storylink=cpy
