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Beasley: Philbin refusing to fire Sherman, Sherman is running the team

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  1. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    The story might not be accurate. Sure. But every time a remotely negative piece in the media comes out people start banging the conspiracy drum. It's tiresome, IMHO. Where's there's stink, there's ****. And the more this **** continues, the more it looks like the whole lot of them should be canned.
     
  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Some of us realized that all that talk was seriously jumping the gun and that this team would have to beat the Bills and/or Jets to prove they had actually turned the corner of mediocrity. They hadn't.
     
  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    You gotta learn how to fart better.
     
  4. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I want to blame the media but they wouldn't write crap like this if there wasn't a hoard of gullible readers waiting to gobble it up.
     
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  5. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I don't disagree with you guys. I'm just saying I think it's funny how quickly people do a 180. All fans seem to go to such extremes IMO. We are a middle of the road franchise in the NFL, and the only way that will change is if we finally find that key that unlocks the door and leads us out of mediocrity and into a consistent playoff team.

    Who knows, Ryan Tannehill may be that key. A new offensive line might be that key. Maybe it's a new OC. Maybe it's a new HC. And maybe it's a new GM.

    The only thing that kind of bothers me are the people that act like we are a terrible team. It's not true. We are an average team and have been for quite some time. It's been maddening trying to break through that wall but I much rather be close* than be a consistent loser like the Browns or Raiders.

    *And no, that does not mean I'm content with mediocrity, because I know someone will accuse me of that.
     
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  6. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    The team isn't that far away, we're not the Raiders, Jaguars or Browns. There's no need to go on a witch hunt, but hey, you guys asked for it so the media is trying to create one for you. If the BS articles are upsetting you maybe you shouldn't read them.
     
  7. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I agree. We have a young, promising QB who has improved. We have 4 solid receivers. We have a serious weapon in Charles Clay. The D-Line is strong and the secondary is very good.

    I do think something needs to change, but I'm way more concerned with fixing the offensive line and the running game more than anything else at this point. I don't care who the head coach or the offensive coordinator is. We need to fix the line if we want to take that next step. What we do in free agency (whether it be re-signing our own guys or plugging holes) and the draft is way more important IMO.
     
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  8. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    While the article makes excellent points on Philbin's contract over his staff, I still feel there is a bit of media warfare going on here taking away from those points. They have been used.

    So, does the media have an agenda? Or do they even know they are being used?

    Essentially, they make Philbin look weak, and are basically begging Ross to fire Philbin. I wonder why? Is the GM (let's presume he is behind this given this supposed relationship between he and Salguero) trying to generate steam to get Philbin out of the building so he can bring in his own guy? Or is this just made up mumbo jumbo the writers are using to get views?

    We have heard nothing from the Philbin camp, but I suspect something soon. Not only is Philbin in a tough position, this entire organization is in a tough position.

    Ross cutting heads admits failure, and while teams in the NFL can make one-year turnarounds, potential HCs who can do that probably do not grow on trees. You may also get a staff not married to the face of the franchise. And the way this franchise has been since Marino's retirement, ANY good-looking QB with a big arm will do just fine.

    So now; we as fans, the coaches, the GM, and the owner, are within quite and quandary.

    One more year, anyone?
     
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  9. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hate it when I trust a fart too much. It happens.
     
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  10. bigbucks24

    bigbucks24 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    To me, he seems quite assertive. He hasn't wavered in his support for Sherman and his coaching staff.
     
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  11. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Cam Cameron showed great enthusiasm when he welcomed in the Ted Ginn family.

    Philbin would have not been so impromptu; reading from index cards, highlighting the Ted Ginn family values....
     
  12. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    The OL and the run game. Yep. 100%.
     
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  13. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Happened to me the other day. Hoping for a light whisper.....turned into a "pop".

    Unfortunately, I was at work with cute women abound.

    So I did what any man would do: I 'blamed it on the rain' Milli Vanilli style hoping they bought that my *** was lip-syncing!
     
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  14. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Please don't hesitate to share your fart stories here: http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?77689-Are-farts-still-funny

    You won't find this kind of intellectual insight anywhere else on the internet.
     
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  16. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Well played sir.
     
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  17. Rouk

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    In his contract, Philbin is granted final say in all coaching decisions, so the only way Ross can truly force Sherman out is to fire his head coach.


    That says what I've been saying to all the people who want to just throw sherman under the bus and call it a offseason. Philbin is the problem the offense is being run the way he wants it to be.


     
  18. MikeHoncho

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    Please refer to the Oil-pulling and/or McLovin threads.

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  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    At this point, the real problem, is that the fans are justifiably upset over the season and since they're upset are going to automatically believe any negative thing about the team. Its the same thing as believing since Marino was a great QB, the fans automatically believe any positive thing about him, like he'd be good in charge of football here.

    In reality, its not that I don't believe every negative story without question its that you guys do believe every negative story without question. I challenge you to find an instance of me saying a story is bs when it turned out it wasn't. While you're doing that, I suspect you'll see all the stories I called bs on that were absolutely bs.
     
  20. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What is not BS is that there is a poopstorm going on in that building. We may not know exactly who's saying what to whom, and the media may be conjecturing and painting it as fact, but there's definitely some pressure cookin' going on in there. The big boss comes in 'Nam style by helo into a hot LZ. The place goes into firebase under attack by Charlie mode. Info blackout. No one goes to lunch; bring sandwiches in. Coaches and players coming and leaving without comment. Reporters barred from the action and guessing. The fertilizer is definitely hitting the ventilator in there.

    This is more interesting than a lot of our games this season. High drama soap opera.
     
  21. pumpdogs

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  22. CrunchTime

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    That would make Philbin a figurehead or frontman.All the more reason to get rid of the whole lot.

    Can we start calling him Milli Philbini now .
     
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  23. SICK

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  24. brandon27

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    I'd have to think, that if I was Ross, and have just found out that the guy I hired to be head coach, is really just a figurehead and learning on the job from the offensive co-ordinator... I'd instantly pull the trigger on all of them.
     
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  25. ASOT

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    And yet we've had people here believing that these two are buddies and work well together. We saw how well it worked last time we did this after Harbaughgate.....an 0-7 start and Sparano getting fired mid-season. Ross is such a clown. :pity:
     
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  26. RGF

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    Damn right, so would I.
     
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  27. ASOT

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    We're close ? Really ? We need to replace 4 of 5 starters on the OLine, our DLine will have serious holes in it next year, Grimes our best Dplayer this year is probably going to be gone, and Tannehill has serious issues with getting a connection with the highest paid player on the team.....oh and by the way next year you need to decide on Tannehill and tying up a lot of money with him because he's only signed through 2015.

    Dude take off the orange & aqua glasses this team is actually in a mess and if things are kept the same I could see a repeat of 2011's 0-7 start. Especially if the dynamic is as bad as reported between Ireland & Philbin
     
  28. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Which is why I preach to anyone within earshot, " If the Dolphins are showing ANY signs of positive promise, tread lightly my friends, VERY lightly."
     
  29. Larryfinfan

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    There are rampant media reports from "sources close to the situation". That's a bunch of bunk. All the media guys out there in Davie yesterday didn't come up with any 'revolutionary' information, including this article. It's all speculation. There is nothing in this article that is foundationally anything different than any other media guy has said in the past week. I still call it bunk...

    It may very well be that Sherman is 'running' the show and that Philbin doesn't want to let him go, but first off, even IF its true, do you think that Philbin is so enamored with his friend and mentor Sherman, that he'd jeopardize his future as a HC with it?? If Sherman is really this great friend, would he subject his friend to being fired because of his own employment, where he can certainly find employment fairly easily ?? Wouldn't be much of a friend...

    Look, I get it that Philbin wants to run his show, his way. I can understand his reservations about relinquishing that power he has in his contract regarding the staff. However, he works for Steven Ross. His responsiblity is to win games and he hasn't. There are some things that are not in his control that have affected his ability to win. There are some things IN his control that have also affected his ability to win games... I am sure he understands this. He'll have to make a choice and he may barter that with Ross about what and who to keep or fire, but the bottom line is that it's a pretty easy choice, if in fact he actually is being asked to make that choice.

    At this point, I don't trust anything coming out of the media because, remember yesterday at this time it was pretty much sure that things would happen YESTERDAY....well, guess what....all those "sources" were wrong....once again...because nothing happened...
     
  30. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member


    This is exactly why I think this story is just fabrication of the media's imaginations... Ross was in Davie all day yesterday and they have to report something. Ross isn't where he is because he's stupid, no matter what many fans think of him. I guarantee you that would have happened yesterday if true. That doesn't mean he decides to clean house anyway, that is always the one thing he CAN do.

    Remember yesterday there were reports that Ross was torn about Ireland because he's 'loyal to a fault", well...why wouldn't that apply to Philbin as well ??

    At any rate, you're right that if he'd found that out yesterday, we'd be in the GM and Coach-search mode by now...
     
  31. unluckyluciano

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    its not really a conspiracy to question these reports. Especially since we've seen multiple times things fall out, be wrong, etc. That's more logical than "conspiracy".
     
  32. firedan

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    I doubt any Miami reprter knows what is going on inside the organization.I'm not sure people in the organization knows what's going on either!
     
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  33. VManis

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    I don't know about the rest of you but when someone qualifies a quote with "went so far as" it says to me that they don't actually believe what the person said is actually true but more hyperbole.

    Beasely and Mando are suppose to be following this team. Shouldn't they at least have an inkling of the power structure? If this is the first we are hearing of Sherman "running the team" what have the beat reporters been doing for the last 2 years?



     
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  34. Brasfin

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    I don't think Sherman is actually "running the show" per se, but I do think that Philbin relies on him more than most HCs rely on their OC's. Isn't Philbin's whole offensive system based on Sherman's? If Sherman designs the offense and calls the plays then what the heck does Philbin actually do?

    Coyle is already responsible for the whole defense so we know that Philbin isn't doing anything on that side of the ball.
    I don't know but it seems to me that Philbin has a very reduced role as a head coach compared with most other HC's in the league.
     
  35. thisperishedmin

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  36. Vertical Limit

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    "We're not far away" :lol: I have read the same ****ing post the past 10+ offseasons.
     
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  37. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I do agree that the relationship between Philbin and Sherman is unique. But if you are Philbin and have a trusted friend on your staff, who has NFL head coaching experience why wouldn't you tap into his knowledge and bounce things off of him?

    I don't think Philbin is unique in this regard. In fact most HCs are not directly responsible for either the offense or defense for their teams. Its precisely why they have coordinators. According to this article only 8 HC in the entire NFL are responsible for calling plays

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...oaches-need-the-extra-burden-of-calling-plays
     
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  38. Tin Indian

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    At this point get rid of all of them. I cant see any reason to retain Ireland, Coyle, Sherman, Turner et all. And if Philbin wont do it, well he can go too. After that just bring in a big freakin hose and wash the stink right out of that place.
     
  39. Brasfin

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    Yes, but usually HC's (good ones especially) who don't call plays bring something to the table: they either have an area of expertise -in Joe's case I guess it would be the OL, but we know how that's turning out- or are good motivators, good in-game coaches, QB developers etc, etc. Joe Philbin so far really hasn't shown that he can be any of those things, neither in his past with the Packers nor in his recent HC job with the Dolphins.
     

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