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Gary Kubiak....a look at his Offense...West Coast Style

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  1. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Where did the West Coast Offense come from?

    San Francisco 49ers head coaching legend Bill Walsh.

    Walsh developed his concepts while he was an assistant coach for the Cincinnati Bengals from 1968-75. Coach Walsh would tweak it some and implement his full system in San Francisco which, of course, sparked their dominance of the 1980s. Walsh, who once was a student of THE Paul Brown, would begin his coaching tree by influencing the likes of Mike Holmgren, Jim Fassel, Paul Hacket, Sam Wyche, George Seifert, and Dennis Green.

    These coaches would pass on their influences to many others - including current NFL head coaches Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, John Fox, Mike McCarthy, Jack Del Rio, Mike Smith, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin, Mike Shanahan, and, of course, Gary Kubiak. On a related side note, 14 of the last 30 Super Bowl champions and 10 of the 30 runner-ups were coached by someone in the Walsh coaching tree.

    Okay, Bill Walsh has pretty much influenced the vast majority of the league for a long, long time, but what is the West Coast Offense exactly?
    The West Coast Offense (hereafter referred to as WCO) is an offense that is all about precision, timing, and trust. With the proper personnel, which I will get into below, you should be able to move the ball with machine-like efficiency.

    The driving philosophy of the system is "pass to set up the run." The quarterback will drop back and make short horizontal/intermediate passes of 4-to-14 yards. The idea is that you stretch the defense out sideways with the pass, which opens up running lanes. This intermediate offense also causes the safeties to cheat up which will allow the offense to land the knockout punch (a/k/a the deep pass). Don't get that mistaken. though. because the goal is to chip away at a defense, as opposed to being a vertical-strike, Mike Martz offense. A WCO should keep a defense on its heels, wear them down with high play counts, and then run all over them when a lead is obtained.

    Walsh's pursuit of offensive perfection led to him scripting the first 15-25 plays of the game. The offense would practice those plays endlessly to ensure that the timing between quarterback and receiver was flawless, as well as cutting down on mistakes and penalties by repetition. With the plays scripted, an offense could, in theory, control the pace of the game. Another benefit of The Script is noticing the defense’s tendencies on certain routes and situations, which could then be exploited in the second half of a game.

    To explain trust, the quarterback, in a sense, is blind. Due to the offense being about timing and quick decision-making, the quarterback sometimes has to throw to a pre-determined spot. More so in Walsh’s system, among other WCOs, the receiver would often have his choice of route to run based on the defense’s coverage. The receiver and quarterback often have to recognize this together, or else the ball will be thrown in a different spot than where the receiver actually is or, oddly enough, directly into a defender as if he never "saw" him. I assume this is starting to sound familiar, yes?

    Yeah, this sounds like what I see on the field...so what kind of players fit the scheme?
    Quarterbacks: The quarterback has to be extremely accurate, quickly scan the field, be willing to develop those close relationships with his receivers, and be able to roll out in a play-action, as the WCO has begun to incorporate more "moving pockets" to offset the increased speed of the modern NFL pass rush. In the traditional scheme, the quarterback should be getting the ball out of his hands within three seconds. It's a quick strike offense that starts with the quarterback. Outside of the Reid/Kyle Shanahan WCO, throwing the deep ball isn’t really needed all too much aside from the occasional shot downfield.

    Running Backs: Like Roger Craig and Marshall Faulk, backs should be versatile enough to run, catch, and block. Good vision is a trait that's highlighted in the WCO because the horizontal passing game should stretch a defense out to open up running lanes. In the theoretically perfect zone-blocking WCO, the back's vision and decisiveness will be especially critical as he should have lanes to chose from.

    Wide Receivers: Jerry Rice was never the biggest or fastest wide receiver, but he was the perfect receiver for this system. Rice was a masterful route-runner, incredible in his play recognition, and worked hard to communicate well with his quarterbacks. A good WCO WR will be able to run routes, find the open spaces in the defense, and put in the time to work with his quarterback so they can be on the same page.

    Due to the short routes and idea to chip away at a defense, a receiver has to have dependable hands because a bobble or drop on a short pass is likely going to A) end drives or B) be intercepted by a nearby defender. Finally, you do need a receiver (at least one in the corps) who can quickly slip behind the coverage, as the play-action pass is often used as the knock-out punch in the WCO - more so in a Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan offense, as both typically favor the deep passes.

    Tight Ends: Traditionally, the tight end was the last-option safety valve for the quarterback in this system. However, today's NFL has put more of an emphasis on the pass-catching tight end because of the mismatches he can exploit. The boon is that a tight end who can slip down the seam or on an out route (run about 3-6 yards and cut to the sideline) can turn a good WCO into a great WCO. Like the running backs, you'd like someone who can block especially as the one-back backfield becomes more prevalent league-wide.

    Offensive Linemen: Due to the emphasis on the three-step drop and quick decision making, the pass-blocking part of their jobs really should be easy. The quarterback should be kept clean so long as the ball is out of his hands. Otherwise, what kind of linemen you want really depends on which branch of the WCO that you want to run. Andy Reid is notorious for his love of larger linemen to push the pile. He usually has them above 300+ pounds. For Mike Shanahan and users of the zone-blocking system, they tend to prefer athletic linemen. In some cases this does mean smaller, but seeing large and nimble linemen is becoming more and more common.

    So let's put it all together...
    Perhaps more than anyone in today's NFL, Gary Kubiak tends to run a more traditional West Coast Offense. He's not run-heavy like Mike Shanahan or as vertical as an Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan. The disappearance of the deep pass is, if you haven't gotten the indirect hint by now, directly related to Kyle's departure. Kubiak still incorporates the long pass some, but he tends to use it after he's set it up.

    All those people calling for Arian Foster early and often? It contradicts the Walshian idea of passing to set up the run, which is used to ice games. It's a bit obvious, at least to me, that this is the kind of offense that Kubiak wants to run. It's why you see a lot more first-half passing - Kubiak's trying not to tinker too much with perfection.

    A Walshian contradiction that happens from the team's side is how flat the Texans come out during The Script. It's probably the most damning criticism of this entire offense actually. Walsh's vision of The Script is for the offense to control the tempo, eliminate mistakes, and be polished. The Houston on-field product is anything but the ideal. It calls into question how the offense practices during the week. At the same time, the 2010 post-Script adjustments usually worked out well, so, on the surface, it appears that Kubiak and Rick Dennison have that part of The Script down.

    Depth is a mild issue with the offense - especially evidenced when Matt Schaub or Andre Johnson miss any snaps. The idea of the system is that you shouldn't miss much of a beat if you scout properly and develop the talent. Quarterback, wide receiver, and the offensive line could still use some investment in back-up talent in my mind.

    Starter-wise, this offense has a lot of ideal talent for the scheme. The only thing lacking is that second consistent threat in the receiving corps. It doesn't need to be spectacular, but someone else has to emerge to take advantage of the near-triple coverage on Johnson and stretch the defense more than it already is. If someone steps up into this role, this offense would be near unstoppable.

    In a nutshell, that's the West Coast Offense. Hopefully, this has expanded some football knowledge in some while reminding others what we're supposed to be seeing as opposed to what we want. I admit, I may have been pushing a bit too hard for a speedy receiver. Still, whenever the offense comes out passing now, you'll know that it's all part of the plan.

    Credit to : TexansDC
     
  2. MikeHoncho

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    Just want to see Tannehill in more roll-out situations. That's all I wanted.
     
  3. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Now this is the OC I'm in favor of.

    Problem is: I don't think we have a shot. If Philbin is retained and Sherman is out, Philbin may be in a playoff or fired scenario. Kubiak may have options and not want to roll the dice.
     
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  4. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    matt schaub has been garbage since kyle shanahan left the texans. its not a coincidence. kubiak had schaub the last 2 seasons without kyle and you see how terrible he is with qbs. if we cant get malzahn in here, go after kyle shanahan.
     
  5. Unlucky 13

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    Good read. When the players were healthy, the Texans offense was a machine for a few years there. I love that his running backs have been plug and play as well. I'd be 100% in favor of him as OC, if he's interested.
     
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  6. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Kubiak runs less deep balls and more roll outs
     
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  7. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    The question becomes does Kubiak want to be a HC again? (his medical condition). If he does, he may see the Fins as a great spot, as it would almost certainly be short term one way or the other.
     
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  8. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    i think we all kind of need to wait for sherman to get fired before we get our hopes up. at this rate, why do we think its going to happen?
     
  9. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    This is where perception becomes important and the past fiasco with Sparano and the trip to Cali may come back to haunt us. I hope not.

    Of course there is always the option of Hiring Kubiak as the HC and OC

    Now that I'd pay money for......especially with Tannehill
     
  10. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Don't know enough about that situation to speak intelligently about it.
     
  11. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    i live here in houston, and i have seen almost every game. the playcalling when kyle was here and when he left has been day and night. while the running game hasnt changed much, the passing game has been atrocious and predictable the last 2 seasons. kubiak hasnt utilized owen daniels and the tight ends, whereas with kyle owen was a perennial probowler. andre johnson used to line up all over and get multiple tds every season kyle was here. now dre only get 3-4 tds per season. kubiak displays a lack of creativity in the passing game. hell, this season he literally didnt use deandre hopkins at all, which is criminal.
     
  12. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Good info. So i remember us playing Houston and dreading the game because I knew we were going to have our a$$' handed to us. I was always impressed with Schaub. Shoot how come they didn't get a new QB. Sounds like a QB issue.....no?

    Interestingly enough Shannahan was fired 3 days ago from the Redskins
     
  13. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Philbin is retained and Sherman isn't, I want someone from the Shanahan-Kubiak tree as the offensive coordinator.

    Kubiak would be nice, but I'm intrigued by the younger Shanahan. He's got warts he needs to iron out, but the guy added a lot of modern stuff to that offense- option plays, packaged plays, the like.

    I'm also curious about the possibility of getting a guy off the Eagles coaching staff. Chip Kelly has taken the WCO as a sort of framework to implement his stuff, with Pat Shurmur as his offensive coordinator. Bill Lazor is someone I'm a little curious if he wouldn't get some interviews at some point in the future.
     
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  14. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Kyle Shannahn was let go on Monday
     
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  15. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ya, I figured he was or would be soon, I'm just not sure entirely how I feel about him yet.
     
  16. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I'd sign up for Shanahan. I want someone young who can use our talent on offense to their highest abilities.

    Also, didn't the Shanahans want Tannehill over RG3 to begin with?
     
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  17. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    IMO, schaub's regression has been a playcalling issue, similar to tannehill's problems. schaub was a probowl qb when kyle was here. when he left, schaub took a nose dive. kyle went to washington and in his first season there, he had rg3 and that offense clicking like crazy. until griffin got hurt and got a big head, he was at probowl level. kyle has some creativity to his playcalling. he also adapts to his players. he's not afraid to incorporate the read option if he has a mobile qb, which is what i have been begging to see with tannehill. as bad as the season this year was for washington, they still ended up with a top offense.
     
  18. Samphin

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    Kubiak's system is so outdated that you all would be begging for a Henning/Sherman tag team at this time next season.

    I am okay with passing on Kubiak. Let someone else make that mistake.
     
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  19. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Man...Shanahan and Kubiak....we make the playoffs-next yr
     
  20. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Believe that was a rumor but never confirmed
     
  21. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Yep - so out dated WCO has won 14 of the last 30 super-bowls
     
  22. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    agreed. he's too predictable for my liking.
     
  23. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    i like the WCO, as long as it is an updated version. kubiac runs a simplistic version of it. when watching texans games you can pretty much predict when the bootleg is coming. when kyle was there, he ran a more modern version of it, like you said in your original post.
     
  24. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    His offense has been ranked in the top 10 in points 14 out of his 18 years as a coordinator or head coach.
     
  25. Samphin

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    Please show me where I said West Coast Offense. I am on vacation until Monday, so I have time to wait. And saying WCO's have won 14 of the last 30 is laughable. Most of the WCO's that are run successfully over the last 15 years are bastardized and hybrid versions. So much so that it is hard to call them WCO.

    I said Kubiak's system.

    Unless he revampe dhis playbook and brought some concepts that were updated to at least 2010, I don't believe he would be successful here.
     
  26. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    dont get me wrong though....i would take kubiak over sherman any day.
     
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  27. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I was wanting Kubiak and Shanahan. Shanahan was released Monday
     
  28. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    He does run the WCO. Kubiak has been a coach for 18 years. Of the 18 yrs, 14 of those years his offense was ranked in the top ten.
     
  29. phinswolverinesrockets

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    oh, i see. that would be okay. definitely better than what we have currently.
     
  30. Da 'Fins

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    This is all well and good. But, the reality is, the Texans offense was as good or better after Shanahan left. Shanahan was QB coach in '07, OC 08-09. Left. Last year was a fail for the entire Texans team and the offense plummeted (as Andre Johnson's productivity also went down). But, compare 07-09 to 10-12:

    Schaub QBR / INT %:
    07 - 87.2 / 3.1
    08 - 92.7 / 2.6
    09 - 98.6 (peak rating) / 2.6
    10 - 92.0 / 2.1
    11 - 96.8 / 2.1
    12 - 90.7 / 2.2

    Schaub is notorious for being mistake prone. Yet, his INT % was lower after Shanahan left.

    The Texans offense also faired better 2010 to 12 than the previous three years. Note their rankings in those years in yards and scoring:

    Points: 12 / 17 / 10 … 9 / 10 / 8

    Yards: 14 / 3 / 4 … 3 / 13 / 7 (2011, btw, is the year Andre Johnson went out after game 7).

    Points are where it's at, imo, not yards. And in that respect the Texans were at their best 2010-2012.

    There is nothing here that indicates Shanahan was magical relative to the next OC. I think Shanahan might actually be a very good OC for us and would love to sign him. So, I'm not ripping on him at all. But, that said, this argument about the Texans offense failing because Shanahan left is just flawed. This was really the first bad season for the Texans offense in many years.
     
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  31. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Well, Kubiak runs a bit different strain of the WCO than Philbin, but they could work together. He is also adept at putting an OL together. Whether Sherman is dumped is still a question.

    CKparrot suggested a move that makes Sherman AHC and a new OC is hired...that could appease both Philbin, Ross and possibly even the fans... Good one, CK



    Chris Kouffman@ckparrot22m
    What if you make Sherman just a AHC and offensive consultant, then hire an offensive coordinator? Philbin and Ross both get what they want.
     
  32. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Oops, just saw that FFG also suggested same thing....sorry if I stepped on toes...like the idea either way though...
     
  33. NorFlaFin

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    The WR from A&M Mike Evans would be friggin amazing in the Andre Johnson role. With a halfway decent ground game....dear god what an attack
     
  34. djphinfan

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    and maybe some read option considering Tannehill has a ten yard average..

    Check this out..last year when we beat the crap out of the bills. We ran the formation ten times for about a hundred yards,Tannehill had six of those carries out of the formation..

    Ummmm, yeah.
     
  35. 2socks

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    if we put a line with our receivers and backs. We will be deadly with who we got, provided everyone is healthy including keller
     

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