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Beasley: Philbin refusing to fire Sherman, Sherman is running the team

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Unbelievable that Ireland has supporters on this forum still claiming he is in rebuild mode after he has been building this mess for 6 years. He's even been giving the chance to rebuild his own failed roster and has failed again. How many years will you give him to rebuild before you will hold him accountable?

    And Philbin not trying to win games? Did you really just make that argument?
     
  2. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I dunno. I kinda feel like when you hire a coach you should let him do things his way, hire/fire who he wants, etc. for at least 3 years provided he isn't producing horrible results or losing the team. As much as I don't like the way they went about things they were still 8-6 with two chances to earn a playoff birth. IMO that's enough to give them another shot at it. Now, if they come back in year 3 with the same stuff and the same results then yeah, get rid of them.
     
  3. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ireland's ONLY saving grace here is that we actually did have more talent than both Buffalo and NYJ and should have won one of those two games.

    We don't have great talent overall, but the coaching absolutely played a bigger role in those games than talent did.
     
  4. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Any coach who is doing something other than maximizing his team's chances for a victory every Sunday is a coach I don't want.

    The redshirt year was last year, when they started a rookie QB. That was the year where development was more important than victories. Not this year
     
  5. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    And that will essentially save Ireland his job.

    But as others have said, I don't see this team as a playoff team next year as it stands. Not with that OL needing a complete face lift and the running game the way it is. That's Ireland's fault. And the Wheeler and Ellerbe swap turned out to be a major downgrade. That hurt our run defense massively in 2013.
     
  6. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Having greater talent overall means nothing if a team has one glaring weakness that can be exploited and renders the rest of the roster ineffectual. Such was the case with this Ireland built roster that had a turnstile offensive line. It resulted in no running game, inability to get the ball to more talented WRs, and handicapped Miami's more talented QB.

    That's on Ireland.
     
  7. pmj

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    And the first Bills game was coming off of a bye, and the Bucs game was off a 10-day rest...
     
  8. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Do you draft for the future or focus on guys who can help right away? Do you prioritize fixing the OL to protect your QB or getting him better receivers to throw to? Do you play the rookies who are prone to mistakes or the vets who may not have as much talent or upside but make fewer errors? Do you run Tannehill and expose him to big hits or keep him in the pocket? There are all sorts of give and takes to make based on your priorities as a coach or GM.

    It's a nuanced theory. You seem to want a black and white explanation for everything, which is unrealistic IMO.
     
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  9. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    That's understandable. I just don't think the team is operating under the philosophy that you've set out.
     
  10. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    This....

    There's fundamental flaws on both sides of the ball. And the numbers below are so damning, I'm not sure how no one has been fired yet. And how you can look at the numbers below and ONLY fire one offensive assistant coach is troubling to me

    2013 Defense YPG = 21st
    2012 Defense YPG = 12th

    2013 Defense PPG = 8th
    2012 Defense PPG = 7th

    2013 Offense YPG = 27th
    2012 Offense YPG = 27th

    2013 Offense PPG = 26th
    2012 Offense PPG = 27th
     
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  11. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    The answer: You set a priority for all of it, but you never go into a season with an embarrassingly bad unit because another position had a higher priority. Especially not a unit as important to the offense as an offensive line. Your arguments don't hold water. Other GMs in this league don't need 6 years to get a team into the playoffs. Why does Ireland?

    As far as coaching goes, you play the guys who give you the best chance to win.
     
  12. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I don't even understand the defense of Ireland on this board. Do you guys think he's a good looking guy or something and that's why you want him here?

    1. His drafts have been HORRIBLE, horrible. One of the worst out there at drafting in the NFL. Check the stats, why can't a ton of them play in this league at a high level? The guy drafted a bunch of guys last season with questionable health.

    2. Running backs GARBAGE. Reggie Bush managed to get more yards than BOTH Daniel Thomas and Lamar Miller COMBINED in 2 less games played due to injury. Had we re-signed the guy that would have been another weapon for our offense, and the guy was a great teammate and leader, and wanted to come back.

    3. Dansby/Burnett for those two **** linebackers that don't even deserve mentioning. Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor find them vomitus.

    4. Our answer to Colombo is Clabo. In 6 years now I think, Ireland has only been able to get ONE quality offensive linemen. Almost broke Tannehill in half, the fact Tannehill survived a 17 game season is a miracle.

    5. Overpaid Mike Wallace. Huge disappointment, is not a #1 receiver, you don't give up that kind of money to a guy that isn't in Desean or Vincent Jackson's level. You just don't. We're stuck with that contract so unfortunately we're going to have to hope he develops his hands and actually fights for the ball for once.
     
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  13. jw3102

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    Since the vast majority of the games they played were extremely close. A case could easily be made that the Dolphins could have lost several more games than they did. To say they should have won more games is ridiculous. You are what your record says you are and the Dolphins are a very mediocre 8-8 football team.

    It appears all the blame for the Dolphins failures seem to be coming down on Sherman. I'm not crazy about Sherman, but Ireland is the person responsible for drafting and signing in free agency, the players who made up the worse offensive line in the NFL this past season. The RB,s on this roster are below average and the next time they actually break a tackle will be their first time. Tannehill still needs to prove he is a quality NFL starter and not merely a QB who plays a good game half the time.

    Also I have no idea why Sherman gets all the blame. Especially when the defense, which was suppose to be the strength of this team, was very ordinary this season. The defensive line play was sub par for many games this season and the LB's as a group were basically a severe downgrade from the 2012 season. Coyle has yet to prove he is a capable DC in the NFL and it was Ireland who signed Ellerebe and Wheeler and cut Dansby and Burnett.

    I think Ireland is doing his best to blame Sherman. I just think that the best OC in the NFL would have had trouble getting much out of this offense which was loaded with very mediocre to bad players at many positions on offense. The fact Ross might put the blame on Sherman and not the man who actually selected the players for this offense only, shows that Ross is clueless when it comes to seeing where the real problem is with the team.
     
  14. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I'm not sure they have been horrible. We have some good starters from them, as well as some late rounders that have developed. I'd like more still.

    2) Disagree. Nothing wrong with Lamar Miller. Give him some blocking, noone is doing much when defenders have the angle for a tackle in the backfield every other play. Our line is worse run blocking than pass blocking.

    3) Not happy with our LB play. Not happy with how Coyle used them either.

    4) Clabo did play better for a stretch but was disappointing. Howeveer there was no reason to think he would be this bad. Most loved the signing.

    5) Jury is still out for me. We left a good 5-10 touchdowns on the field. Wallace creates separation deep like noone else. Its a low % throw but we neesd to hit it more than we did. If we do, no issues with Mike ot his salary.
     
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  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    At this point I think those still supporting Ireland's employment just love playing Devil's advocates so much, they just can't help themselves.
     
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  16. Stringer Bell

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    Ross is playing Devil's advocate?
     
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  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    How so? I want Jim Turner fired. I want Sherman gone. Those aren't devil advocate positions.
     
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  18. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Barry Jackson from MH:

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    IN OTHER NEWS: Dogs prefer to poop in alignment with Earth's magnetic field!

    Link: HERE
     
  19. Aquafin

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    I am appalled at stupidity of people defending Ireland and Philbin . just because you coach a team two freakin years doesn't mean you should keep your job . I think some of you clowns really love underachieving and being a emabrassment when you fire a coach that doesn't mean that the next coach is the right guy .

    if I own this team and my team is making headlines for the wrong reasons I want heads to roll . wining 8 games does us no more good then winning 5 games , unless we draft some bigtime players and add f/a players who are actually talented..


    can we please stop this damn crap of making excusses for this publicity nightmare.

    if some of you love the butt kissing of Ireland and Philbin then that is your right to do so but don't expect everyone else to be happy when this team gets a black eye .

    how many 8-8 9-7 or 7-9 years do you people really want to keep having. I am sick of this mess and I want to be a respectable team not a clown butt college .
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    This post does show intelligence
     
  21. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    So glad I have him on ignore. Now if I could just get people to stop quoting him :lol:
     
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  22. Finrunner

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    Well that was quite the zinger one-liner. The Barry Jackson one about Philbin's exasperation rather than dogs' preferences for their gastro-intestinal requirements lining up with the winter solstice or whatever.

    If Philbin didn't wear a headset, I suppose that would be understandable, at least to a degree. He does, though. And he's the head coach. Whether between plays or during TV time outs or plenty of times during games, he could influence those calls. He's the head coach. While I get that he's a delegator, he's still in charge. Exasperation doesn't need to linger longer than one play. He can provide input if not tell Sherman a type of play he wants in a particular situation. If the situation demands, he can even call a timeout to get it right. If said exasperation was an ongoing problem, then that's on Joe Philbin.
     
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  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Need to write a program that ignores posts of people who are ignored
     
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  24. Triggercut

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    If Ross decides to keep everyone besides minor changes or perhaps Sherman is asked to go at the highest level of termination, will that cause the guys who loathe Ireland/Philbin to actually quit the Dolphin sites and relinquish their Miami Fandom credentials?

    Could there possibly be a positive from all this?
     
  25. Colmax

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    I couldn't help myself, but it is all backed by science! :lol:

    I agree with you that there has to be some degree of blame on Philbin considering (headset or not) his position on the team. I mentioned this before that there is a weird relationship dynamic thing going on between the two.

    It has been said that Philbin considers Sherman his "mentor". If that is the case, it would almost be like hiring your big brother or father to work in a particular profession under you; yet, you were the one who was taught by brother/father about that particular profession in the first place.

    While I truly believe coaches and GMs do what they truly think is right for the team, sometimes decisions are just not right. It is up to others to say thier piece, and then a compromise or a better way of doing things must prevail.

    If he is as animated about calls as Jackson suggests, something should have been said. And maybe things were said. We certainly do not know what has been intimated between the two. Could Sherman be undermining Philbin in some regard because of the relationship? Or is Sherman just a smooth talker and Philbin takes it as it comes because he believes in Sherman's philosophies?

    Whatever the case might be, it just seems a tad odd all around, and the fingers point at both Philbin and Sherman.
     
  26. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Yup, it's actually Limelight (probably same color, new name for a new year). I noticed your SIG and TA some time ago. Bleed the Arrow.
     
  27. Brasfin

    Brasfin Well-Known Member

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    Pretty interesting article posted on Omar's twitter timeline just now, it was written in March of 2013.

    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...1_joe-philbin-ireland-and-philbin-paul-soliai

    The most interesting part to me is this little gem:

    This is specifically for all of you "fire Jeff Ireland but keep Philbin" guys... :shifty:
     
  28. rafael

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    It's always seemed obvious to me that the players brought in were the product of a collaboration between the coaches and the FO. I find no credible evidence for the notion of some disconnect beyond perhaps a disagreement about why the youngsters (specifically Jordan since that's when the rumor arose) weren't getting time.
     
  29. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Just tells me they both need to go.
    The Miami Dolphins are one of 5 worst run franchises in the NFL.
     
  30. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Who do you think are the other four? Any particular order?
     
  31. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    No order and just off the top of my head...
    Dallas
    Cleveland
    Oakland
    Jacksonville
     
  32. Colmax

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    And you think Miami is in the same boat as these teams in the way it is run? Are you talking coaching/GM stuff? I would say FO, but apparently, Miami has some extremely talented folks on the financial side of things that allowed for a crazy shopping spree this past offseason.

    While I think this is a media-hyped fiasco, I am not sure that, given the circumstances, that there is much this team can change save maybe a couple of position coaches and maybe OC. And I will tell you why: Ryan Tannehill. IF this regime changes, the next staff is so not married to Tannehill, it's not even funny. While I think Tannehill is talented enough in any system, he is not "franchise" material yet. The owner and this team desperately want him to be, though.

    His jersey sales were one of the top sellers this past year. He is popular. Tannehill has all of the makings of a franchise QB and this owner needs him to become one to save this franchise from a damned fan mutiny if this regime has to change. Ross, as well, seems to want stability. Hell, most of US want stability. We do not care how we get it, just as long as it happens con winning!

    But to rid of this staff admits failure, albeit a tad early. This thing has to stay the course. If there are no playoffs next year, this staff (coaches and GM), must walk the plank.

    Unfortunately, Ryan Tannehill might become collateral damage.......
     
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  33. Rocky Raccoon

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    LOL at making a worst run franchise list and not including the Redskins.
     
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  34. phinswolverinesrockets

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    excellent, excellent post. i really enjoyed the part about us blitzing more, lmao. philbin is a joke. he talks a good game, but when its game time, nothing he says happens. faster offense, more aggressive defense? give me a f'n break. the man is as incompetent as ireland.
     
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  35. Colmax

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    I would have included Washington as well, but it ain't my list.

    And I am not so sure I would include Cleveland. Did they make a wrong move with Chudzinski? Who knows? But his record certainly warranted firing with that talent. Jason Campbell at QB made them competitive.
     
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    Seems to be alot of missing dialog, despite this "unknown" source.
    I'm just wondering about he part that explains Ross actuallly instructed Philbin to fire Sherman, something that any Billionaire would walk blindly into, forgetting the fact Sherman actually works for Philbin and would in all likelihood force a standoff.
    Better yet, the part where Philbin gives Ross the bird, and says," If Sherman goes, I go!" to which Sherman suddenly blurts out from behind a bookshelf, "Oh, he owned you!"
    Then the part about Ross curling his tail between his legs before climbing back into his helicopter to sulk, as it flies away into the South Florida night
    ?
    Oh well,
    I'll just assume thats how it went down.
     
  37. GMJohnson

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    Lol at the whole list. Another candidate for the ignore list.
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I would include Cleveland.
     
  39. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I've got news for you: As much as a lot of you like to pretend it's a vocal minority who are fed up with Jeff Ireland, if what you're saying happened there wouldn't be enough fans left to support the franchise, there wouldn't be enough tarp on the entire ****ing planet to cover up the empty seats in Sun Life Stadium and this place would just be 6 or 7 of you fist pumping the **** out of rha rha "Yay, Mediocrity!" posts.
     
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  40. rdhstlr23

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    I don't know about anyone else, but this "ignore list" or threat of the ignore list response is getting incredibly weak and old. It's gotten to the "do you even watch the games or did you even play sports" level for me.

    Anyone else feel this way?

    It's nothing but indirect bating and insinuation tjat someone's opinions and thoughts are dumb and less warranted...which drives me NUTS.

    I mean you're entitled to do it. It's there for a reason. Personally, I have a few on there that get me incensed more than others. So I stay away from that.

    But CONTINUALLY referring to it like you do GM is so weak. You know... debate is actually two parties discussing opposing viewpoints in a mild, civilized manner. It's not lobbing indirect jabs and hoping for the majority to pile on.

    I'm not upset. It's your right. I just don't see the need to say something or mention. Just add them and move on. It seems as if you look for some kind of rally of other posters by saying it or some approval. It's annoying.
     

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