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Beasley: Philbin refusing to fire Sherman, Sherman is running the team

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I've never even thought about putting anyone on ignore. There are some posters who I don't ever seem to agree with, but in the end I know we are all in this for the same goal. Sometimes people have a different view point on how to get there, but that's what makes the forums interesting. If we all felt the same way, it would get pretty boring.
     
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  2. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Wait, so it's not even up for debate that a team that hasn't won a playoff game in 13 years is not a bottom 5 run NFL franchise? Not a playoff appearance in what will be 6 years.

    It's like out of the question?!

    Some of you can really paint a rosy picture here

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  3. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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  4. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Amen, Rocky. Haven't read a ton in here. How you been?

    What do you think Miami should do (Ireland, Philbin etc)?
     
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  5. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Well said. Announcing to the world the use of the ignore button is some of the most childish behavior I see on these forums. Like you said, I understand people using it if certain posters genuinely offend them or just get their *** chapped. But to constantly talk about it and have to point out how you have someone on ignore is just a scream for attention. No different than a 3 year old screaming in the face of another 3 year old, "I'M IGNORING YOU!!!!"
     
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  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    So is announcing that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid or just doing it because they like disagreeing.
     
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  7. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Totally agree Dupree. No one is stupid for having an opinion on the Dolphins. No matter what it is.

    Anywho, sorry for directing the thread this way. Hopefully there will be some "leaks" or news this weekend.
     
  8. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I've never once said anyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid. Not sure if you're directing that one at me or not. If you are, not sure why. As far as insinuating some like to play devil's advocate: Guilty. It was mostly tongue in cheek, sorry if you took offense.
     
  9. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I do have people on ignore, but it's not based on their agreement with my opinion. It's most often based on them never saying anything different or intelligent. If they always say the same thing then having them on ignore merely saves my time. And by intelligence I'm referring to sound logic. There have been many posters with whom I tend to disagree who nonetheless offer sound arguments for their opinions. Sometimes they make me reconsider or change my original position. Avoiding those posts that never offer anything of value is likewise a time-saver. I also don't recall ever announcing publicly that I am putting anybody specific on ignore. If I find someone's knowledge on a subject idiotic, I see no need to attempt to further humiliate or insult them. My goal is simply save time and make my time on the board more enjoyable.
     
  10. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Which 4-5 teams do you think are the worst run??
     
  11. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I really don't know, honestly. :lol:

    I like Philbin. I think if you give him time to prove himself, he'll get it right. He is very smart, but I feel he is very stubborn too.

    Ireland has worn out his welcome. Time for him to be removed. I think Sherman should go too,

    There are so many other variables involved that I just have no idea what to expect though.

    If I had it my way I'd fire Ireland and Sherman, and bring in someone willing to work with Philbin or let a new GM decide Philbin's fate.
     
  12. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I hear ya, raf. And I know some of the posters you're referring too. I just shrug my shoulders and move on to the next post.
     
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  13. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I liken it to, when you watch tv, do you want to watch the commercials? If you could cut the commercials out and save 10-15 mins every hour, wouldn't you?

    Hence, the ignore button.
     
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  14. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    That's a good analogy. Some commercials I fast-forward past b/c I've seen them before, others b/c they're just annoying and detract from my enjoyment of whatever I'm watching. I don't bother to call up the annoying advertisers and tell them I'm ignoring their ads.

    BTW, nice avatar. :up:
     
  15. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Pretty much. Anything I don't get any value from is a waste of time.

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    :yes:
     
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  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would love to measure Bruce lees measurables...
     
  17. Dolfan330

    Dolfan330 My wein is so chaffed...

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    Thats what she said.
     
  18. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Um, no.

    Everyone is indeed entitled to their opinion, and while I agree that no one is "stupid" for feeling one way or another that doesn't mean they know what they're talking about when it comes to certain topics. In this thread alone you can see several people calling Ross, Ireland, Philbin etc idiots , why, because they aren't doing what this or that person thinks they should be doing. And anyone who opines that they might actually know what they're doing is what was it, playing devils advocate? Yeah, OK.

    Everyone's free to think what they want but WADR if you don't think there are a lot of incredibly ill informed people posting here then you're probably one of them.
     
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  19. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Good point, my bad. Washington should be on there. Maybe Cleveland gets taken off...
     
  20. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    They certainly warrant consideration, but it looks as though thier FO is going the "clean slate" route. They may have missed with Weeden, so they are moving on. Surprised on the Rchardson move, but maybe they see RB that can be found in later rounds, which, historically, RBs do not necessarily need to be high draft picks to be successful.

    They have an All-Pro in Joe Thomas who can be that safeguard for thier future QB. Defense is stout. Offense has some really nice pieces. The players really showed displeasure in the firing of Chudzinski, but someone had to be blamed, damn the sentiment. If Chudzinski is as good as many feel, he should have no problem getting another chance elsewhere. Looking at the talent on that team, one has to wonder why it did not show successful in the W-L column.
     
  21. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Wow what a threat. Think I give a crap if you ignore me? Who the hell are you and why would it matter?
    But do tell me whats so funny about the list...who deserves to be taken off or put on? And for the record, Ive already said Washington should be included on the list.
     
  22. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    For starters, the Cowboys have a billion dollar stadium that's packed every week, in line for several college bowl games and multiple Super Bowls in the coming years. They're always amongst the league leaders in ratings, prime time appearances, merchandise sales etc. Jerry Jones has his flaws as a GM but as an owner he's right up there with the best of them. Having them on the worst run list is like having Marino on the worst QB list.
     
  23. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Not a threat, not meant as one. I'm sure you'll continue to post nonsense whether I read it or not.

    The Redskins are one of the better run teams in the league. People call Snyder a bad owner while he's among the league leaders in consecutive sellouts, maxing out profits and laughing all the way to the bank. Not all owners are as concerned with winning on the field as you think they are.

    Dont believe me? Check the Forbes list and compare it to the win-loss records.
     
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  24. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Never knew this, but good points. Although, I think what happens on the field matters. He has a veritable cash cow in Griffin III. If Griffin does well (which one could say generally translates to wins on the field), Snyder wins in the pocketbook.
     
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  25. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    As fans it doesn't matter how well a team is run financially. Of course we want them to make money so they don't relocate, but winning is how we judgw how well a team is run.

    You don't go to a restaurant and judge them on their high quality decor. You judge theit food, regardless of profit margin.
     
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  26. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    So as someone has already asked. If you think that list was so ridiculous, what's your list of the 5 worst run franchises? Enlighten us.
     
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  27. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    I agree.

    But I wonder the true reason why men go to Hooters? The wings, of course! :lol:
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That is why they look like a joke.
     
  29. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    In that case its reversed. Youre going for the high quality decor. Lol
     
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  30. Colmax

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    Our players loved Sparano. Heck, I really liked him. I think he is a stand-up coach. But in the end, the W-L column is the measure of job performance as a HC. Chudzinski did not perform. Their FO just decided to cut ties early. It's thier decision to do so. I am not saying it is the right decision, but the decision has been made.
     
  31. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    And high maintenance! haha
     
  32. bigbry

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    The wonderfully formed wings.
     
  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    It is their decision and it makes them look like a joke organization that has no idea what it is doing.
     
  34. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    I guess we'll find out in the future if they are a joke or not.
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    You can say that for all organizations. Right now, they do not look well run. Even had to put out press releases and interviews contesting the fact that they are a joke organization.
     
  36. GMJohnson

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    I've been doing it for the longest. How bout you enlighten me for a change.
     
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  37. Larryfinfan

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    Here's another thought on what Ross could do:

    1) hire a guy like Cowher, JJ, Peterson, etc as a 'consultant'. They wouldn't necessarily give up their day jobs, but work with Ireland in making personnel decisions. But someone who would oversee, but not manage personnel. Make personnel a joint effort from Ireland and that person. It sounds simpler than the actual logistics would work out to be, but it is another set of football eyes that are looking at the personnel decisions.

    2) Let Philbin stay with the stipulation that he hires a certain "coordinator" that Ross has to agree with. That person would be a Kubiak as OC or Phillips as DC. Both have HC experience and interim experience. Both are respected at their positions and could fit into what Philbin has started.

    The personnel is covered with another set of 'football' eyes. He has also acheived the goal of "shaking things up" (to appease fans) and put Philbin and Ireland on their final 'notice'. This way the team is covered if things go south and we are in a 'interim' situation. Lastly, he's also able to remain 'loyal' to his guys (Ireland and Philbin). Heck they don't even have to make any of this public (as to who is responsible for what, that saves face for both Ireland and Philbin). Someone like I mentioned up there, would be in a position to advise Ross to make a coaching move mid-stream or hang on to what he's got.

    It requires some consessions on the parts of Ross, Ireland and Philbin, but still maintains an air of respect for each... There are logistics to work out inside Davie, but it could work and still give Philbin another chance to right the ship, as well as more time for Ireland to see if his personnel develop....

    Just a thought....
     
  38. fin13

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    Having control by the HC of his coaching staff I believe is normal, I think reviewing the coaching staff performance is the normal thing to do as well as analyzing the reasons for the last two critical losses, then drawing a conclusion why the losses happened and what needs to be done.
     
  39. texanphinatic

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    Well run BRAND absolutely - well run TEAM (with the goal of winning a championship) absolutely not. Jones is responsible for a huge amount of the mess on that team. He meddles with coaches, gives out heinous contracts, leaves his team with little cap space, has almost no depth, etc. Listening to and watching a lot of Cowboys games and programs that team is a disaster. The brand is strong and in terms of making money they are one of the best organizations in sports, but the actual on field product is terrible.
     
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  40. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    I do not pay entirely too much attention to the Browns, but that's interesting. While perception of how an organization is run makes some difference, actual behind-the-scenes workings is almost always different from what we know. I find it a little odd that they would come out saying they "are not a joke organization."

    I can see them defending certain moves, though.....
     

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