Get high much do you? lol He'd still have to hit the deep ball, dude. They don't just hand those to you in Philly. All-Time QBR Rankings the past 35 years 1. Rodgers 122.5 [2011] 2. Manning 121.1 [2004] 3. Foles 119.2 13. Marino 108.9 [1984] TD % 1. Manning 9.9 [2004] 2. Rodgers 9.0 [2011] 3. Brady 8.7 [2007] 4. Foles 8.52 5. Marino 8.51 [2004] INT % 1. Foles 0.6% 2. Brady 0.8% [2010] 3. Steve DeBerg 0.9% [1990] 10. Rodgers 1.2% [2011] Adjusted yards per pass attempt 1. Foles 10.54 2. Rodgers 10.50 [2011] 3. Manning 10.24 [2004] 4. Montana 9.54 [1989] 7. Marino 9.36 [1984] Yards per pass attempt 1. Warner 9.9 [2000] 2. Chander 9.6 [1998] 3. Rodgers 9.2 [2011] 4. Lynn Dickey 9.2 [1983] 5. Esiason 9.2 [1988] 6. Manning 9.2 [2004] 7. Montana 9.1 [1989] 8. Foles 9.1 9. Steve Young 9.0 [1991] 10. Marino 9.0 [1984]
You can compare them all you want, its just not an objective be all, end all comparison if you're going to look at numbers only which many have been doing here. Especially after the short careers Tannehill and Foles have had. Basically what all these comparisons come down to when you're only going to look at numbers which is really all that's been done in here, is personal preference over who they'd want right now. Again, as I stated, given the OP's brief track record here... the intent is really just to knock Tannehill and get people arguing. It just doesnt make sense to me to compare Ryan's 30 some starts to what... 7 for Foles? In two completely different schemes, in a short period of time, with one players OL setting sack records because theyre so untalented. If you want to do a true comparison which is what it seems we're trying to accomplish here, all I'm saying is you can't do that, unless theyve both been in the exact same circustances. Clearly they havent, because as I pointed out early, every aspect of Philadelphia's team is far superior to ours. So, that puts a guy like Ryan at an extreme performance disadvantage already being surrounded by less talent, poorer coaches etc. etc. Im not sure what's so hard to understand here.
Sorry but 1 and 1/2 seasons doesn't prove much. If Foles retires with those standings and has played over 100 games at least...then fine.
I remember when the Dolphins drafted Marino in 1983. Many people thought it was a mistake because Shula was known as a HC who preferred to run the ball and not a coach who wanted to pass the ball a lot. Of course Shula was an outstanding football coach and he had no trouble adapting his offense to what his QB and the players around him did best. Today it appears many people think that the QB has to adjust to what the coach wants the offense to be or what system the team runs. If a QB is not effective in the offense he is running. There are usually two main reasons for this. The first one is the most obvious and that is that the QB just isn't very good and shouldn't be starting in the NFL in the first place. The other main reason is that the the offense the team is running is not suited to the strengths of the QB and the other players on the offensive unit. In that case, it is the responsibility of the coaching staff to create an offensive scheme which suits the QB and the players on the offensive unit. A few years ago the Broncos totally changed their offensive system in the middle of the season when Tim Tebow became their starting QB. While Tebow wasn't a great or even good NFL QB. The system the offensive staff built around the strengths of Tebow during that season led to the Broncos going from a bad team early in the season to a playoff team under The better coaches can make adjustments to maximize the strengths of their QB. While the mediocre coaches merely expect their QB and other offensive players to adjust to the system they have in place, whether that system suits the players or not.
Well right now nick foles is the better qb no question about it.Ryan had good enough blocking and had a running game against the jets but he came up small.Hopefully next year he takes the next step but he has to improve his deepball and pocket presence or we are going nowhere.
Actually I still think RG3 would easily be drafted before Tannehill. RG3 had a very productive rookie season and this year he was coming off a major injury. I think the majority of GM's in the NFL would still take him, even after the season he has this past year, over Tannehill. Tannehill had a better year than RG3 this year, so I'm not judging my projected picks on this past season alone. I just think that when all is said and done, the four QB's I picked before Tannehill will end up having better careers than Tannehill. I think Tannehill will eventually be a solid starter in the NFL for 7-10 years, but I don't ever see him being better than a mid level QB in the NFL. That is more than the Dolphins have had at QB since Marino retired, but I just don't see him ever being a top tier QB in the NFL. I also can't see him as the type of QB who will consistently get this team to the playoffs or lead them to a Super Bowl win. That is my opinion and everyone else is certainly entitled to their opinion regarding Tannehill.
Well....we have already had solid starters since Marino. Pennington and Fiedler took us to the playoffs and aside from Penny's shortened career due to injuries...both were solid NFL starters.
Stick Foles behind our O-Line with our RBs. Stick Tannehill behind the Eagles OLine with their RBs and TEs and WRs. Watch what happens. Of course we can't so what is the point of this Tannehill *** kicking thread?!! Totally pointless. You do know Steve Young was once a Buc and wore Orange yes? I voted for Tanny purely because its a pointless argument and I support my QB who has been hit an all time Dolphin record.
I hope he is a more solid starter than Fiedler, but he will probably end up being about as effective as Fiedler was as the Dolphins QB. He will probably take the team to the early rounds of the playoffs a few times, but not to a SB. I personally think Pennington was a better QB than Tannehill but injuries cost him a longer career in the NFL. I have said since he was drafted that I hoped Tannehill will be better than I thought he would be as an NFL QB. So far he has played well in some games and poorly in others. I don't know if he will ever be the type of QB who can take charge and will his team to victory as the better QB's in the NFL consistently are able to do. If you are happy with a QB who will probably never be better than the 15th-20th best QB in the NFL, you will be very happy with Tannehill. I was just hoping for a top ten QB prospect after suffering through all the QB's this team has had since Marino retired. You never know. Perhaps the Dolphins will somehow get the first pick in the 2015 draft and they can draft J. Winston with that pick. Now that is a QB I would love to see with the Dolphins.
Good enough blocking? IIRC we set a league record for sacks given up... that's hardly good enough. You do realize too that even thought the Jets offense sucks, their defense is still good right? I cant disagree however on the deep ball. It's on both him and Wallace though too. I thought his pocket presence got better as time went on this season though.
I'm just amazed that Tannehill had time to throw a deep ball! By rights he should have been on IR. Most QBs would have been with all those shots.
People in a rush to look at nothing but stats seem to forget the O-line exists or things like a rushing game exist that take pressure off a QB. Lets just compare QB's where one has the best rushing attack in the game and the other team cant rush for ****. Why this stupid poll was a failure from the start.
I will agree that the OL was a problem this year. Yet Tannehill was sacked several times because he had zero pocket awareness. He basically just stood in the pocket and didn't move as the defense ran to where he was and sacked him. I am sitting here now watching Smith and Luck. Both of them have the ability to move in the pocket and avoid the rush and then make a play down field. Tannehill on the other hand seems to freeze in the pocket and it often appears he doesn't even try to avoid the rush. While the OL was the main issue regarding the number of sacks this season. Tannehill needs to be more aware in the pocket in the future or he will continue to get sacked and take many hits, no matter how many new offensive linemen the Dolphins add in the future.
You do realize I am talking about the jets game correct?Tannehill didn't not get sacked and choked when we needed him the most.I will give him a pass against the bills because of the pressure but he has no excuse against the jets.Hell if he hits that dam pass to a wide open Wallace we are up 14-0 and the jets probally pack it in.It sure would be nice to be playing tomorrow but he let us all down.
the question should be is chip kelly better than joe philbin. i dont think there would be one single vote for philbin. chip kelly on the dolphins would have tannehill posting foles numbers. qbs are products of their coaches. we have a mediocre coach therefore we have a mediocre qb. give tannehill gus malzahn and then lets have this poll.
You can judge a QB based on awareness, decision making, leadership skills and passing efficiency, based on how they play in games, good OL or not. I find Tannehill very average in all these areas at this stage of his career. Perhaps he will improve in the coming years, but right now, he is what he is. That is why the Dolphins are not in the playoffs right now and not because of the OL. Tannehill was not sacked a single time in the Jets game, but the Dolphins only were able to score 7 points in the game. Tannehill also missed Wallace on yet another deep throw which would have put the Dolphins up 14-0 if he had been able to actually complete a long pass. If you want to see how a second year QB is suppose to lead his team, after losing his best WR and best TE for the season. I hope you are watching Andrew Luck today. Even though he has 3 INT's today, he continues to bring his team back and they now have a very reasonable opportunity to come back and beat the Chiefs. Luck and the Colts have overcome major injuries on their offense this season, yet Luck and the Colts don't look for excuses. They merely go out and find a way to overcome these injuries. Some Dolphin fans always want to make excuses for Tannehill. Yet scoring only 7 points in their final two games against the Bills and Jets was nothing but a failure by Tannehill and the offense to do what was necessary to defeat these so called inferior opponents. People need to stop making excuses for Tannehill and instead demand he starts playing better as an NFL QB.
If we stop comparing Tanny for a second to other young QBs and just look at him at a glance; he is a success. At least an improvement over our last 2 QBs to the point where we are not losing games because of QB play anymore. We are losing because of a horrendous offensive line, a non-existent running game, a very poor run-defense, and poor play-calling both on off and def. Tannehill is right now what I call a "Tier 2" asset. He is winning us more games than he is losing us in his individual performances but his poorer games, while not usually the reason for us losing, do not help us to win either. Tier 1 players are our extremely consistent players who often win us games through their individual performances. Right now: Very effective/Very consistent: Tier 1: Wake, Grimes, Fields Very effective/less consistent: Tier 2: Tannehill, Clay, Hartline Very Effective/less consistent than T2: Tier 3: Patterson, Wallace
Makes me sick watching andrew luck will his team to one of the greatest comebacks in history.I remember getting bashed for the suck for luck comments.Well how would you like to have him now? All he does is win.
They must be teaching some type of new math in school today that I am unaware of. Because the last I checked, a 15-17 won-lost record as a starting QB doesn't equate to a quarterback who has won more games for his team than he has lost. You are certainly entitled to your opinion of Tannehill as an NFL QB, but the record speaks for itself, as far as I am concerned.
I am not ashamed of the fact I was a member of the, "suck for Luck" club two years ago. I am also 100% certain that the fans of the Colts are happy as heck that their team had the worst record in the NFL in 2011, just so they could get Luck in the draft. The Colts will be a dominant team in the AFC for the next decade, just because they sucked so badly in 2011.
Eagles with Vick starting: 2-4 (one of those wins was directly because of Foles taking over) Eagles with Foles starting: 8-2 (should be 9-2 if you count the Giants game where he took over in the 2nd quarter and won it) [TABLE="class: grid, width: 1025"] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD="align: center"] pass attempts[/TD] [TD="align: center"] QBR[/TD] [TD="align: center"] %[/TD] [TD="align: center"] TD[/TD] [TD="align: center"] TD%[/TD] [TD="align: center"] INT[/TD] [TD="align: center"] INT%[/TD] [TD="align: center"] YPA[/TD] [TD="align: center"] 3rd Down Conversion%[/TD] [TD="align: center"] 30+ yard completion% [/TD] [TD="align: center"]30+ yard TDs[/TD] [TD="align: center"]30+ yard TD%[/TD] [TD="align: center"] Rush yds[/TD] [TD="align: center"] Rush TD[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Foles[/TD] [TD="align: center"]317[/TD] [TD="align: center"]119.2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]64.0[/TD] [TD="align: center"]27[/TD] [TD="align: center"]8.5% (1 TD/ 11 attempts)[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]0.6[/TD] [TD="align: center"]9.1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]46.2%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]50.0%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]8[/TD] [TD="align: center"]40.0%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]221[/TD] [TD="align: center"]3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Vick[/TD] [TD="align: center"]141[/TD] [TD="align: center"]86.5[/TD] [TD="align: center"]54.6[/TD] [TD="align: center"]5[/TD] [TD="align: center"]3.5% (1 TD/ 28 attempts)[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2.1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]8.6[/TD] [TD="align: center"]25.0%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]33.3%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]11.1%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]306[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="align: center"]Tanny[/TD] [TD="align: center"]588[/TD] [TD="align: center"]81.7[/TD] [TD="align: center"]60.4[/TD] [TD="align: center"]24[/TD] [TD="align: center"]4.1% (1 TD/ 25 attempts)[/TD] [TD="align: center"]17[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2.9[/TD] [TD="align: center"]6.7[/TD] [TD="align: center"]38.4%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]24.1%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]6.9%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]245[/TD] [TD="align: center"]1[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] If it's soooo easy in Kelly's system, behind that Oline, and with that surrounding cast, then why was Vick so far off from duplicating? Tannehill would have to add nearly 40 points to his passer rating, double his TD%, cut his INT% by nearly 500%, double his deep ball completion%, improve his deep ball TD% by nearly 600%, and increase his 3rd Down conversions by 20% to match Foles' season. Tannehill would obviously do better in Philly's offense but to think he would've duplicated or improved upon one of the best statistical seasons per attempt in NFL history despite Ryan struggling with the deep ball is pure craziness. BTW, here's what Foles season stats would change to if he had Tannehill's deep ball numbers [on throws over 30 yards] .... and ditto for Tannehill if he had Foles' deep ball numbers: [TABLE="class: grid, width: 700"] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD="align: center"]QBR[/TD] [TD="align: center"]%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]YPA[/TD] [TD="align: center"]TD[/TD] [TD="align: center"]TD%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]INT[/TD] [TD="align: center"]INT%[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Foles 2013 stats[/TD] [TD="align: center"]119.2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]64.0%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]9.1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]27[/TD] [TD="align: center"]8.5%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2[/TD] [TD="align: center"]0.6%[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Foles 2013 stats using Tanny's deep ball numbers[/TD] [TD="align: center"]106.1[/TD] [TD="align: center"]61.3%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]8.5[/TD] [TD="align: center"]21[/TD] [TD="align: center"]6.4%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]3[/TD] [TD="align: center"]0.9%[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Tannehill 2013 stats[/TD] [TD="align: center"]81.7[/TD] [TD="align: center"]60.4%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]6.7[/TD] [TD="align: center"]24[/TD] [TD="align: center"]4.1%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]17[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2.9%[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Tannehill 2013 stats using Foles' deep ball numbers[/TD] [TD="align: center"]88.7[/TD] [TD="align: center"]62.2%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]7.0[/TD] [TD="align: center"]30[/TD] [TD="align: center"]5.2%[/TD] [TD="align: center"]16[/TD] [TD="align: center"]2.8%[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] That's a huge swing in QBR, TDs, TD%, and YPA.
His play is what separates the great QB's from the ordinary QB's in the NFL. Does anyone really think that Tannehill would have led this Colts team back from that large deficit today. Tannehill couldn't even lead his team to more than one TD against the Bills and Jets in their final two games. If KC had the same lead against the Colts today and it had been Tannehill as the QB and not Luck, the Chiefs would have easily been headed to their next playoff game next weekend. Of course if Tannehill was the Colts QB, I doubt they would have been a playoff team to begin with.
I think Foles is better and smarter, but at the same time I think Tannehill is still very young and shows potential, we just need to get him an o-line. We got him the weapons...(Hartline, Gibson, Wallace, Keller Etc.)
You are missing my point entirely. Go back and read it through...I am not talking about W/L records...I am talking about "why" we are losing. Tannehill is almost always not the cause....
Obviously I realize it is a team game and there are a number of reasons a team wins or losses a game. I just think that the better QB's can take an average team and make plays that will make their team better than it really is. The Colts and Luck are a prime example of this type of QB. If you take Luck off the Colts. They are a very average or even bad football team. They certainly would not have been a playoff team the past two years without Luck as their QB. I think if you take Tannehill off the Dolphins the past two years and Matt Moore had been the QB of the Dolphins instead. The Dolphins still would have finished around the 500 won-loss recordl the past two seasons. I just don't think Tannehill is the type of QB who can put a team on his back and transform it into a better team than it would be without him. He is in the same class with middle to bottom tier QB's in the NFL. That's okay I guess. I just wish he was one of the top tier QB's NFL, but I don't think he ever will be. That is just my opinion of Tannehill as an NFL QB.
Lol this. They brought more and pressured Foles a little those last two plays and forced a sack and an intentional grounding.
If we had Ricky or Ronnie taking as many plays that McCoy and the Eagles running game does then Tannehill would have better situations in which to throw and complete. Honesty this is a self-fulfilling cycle of where the RBs and OL are good enough to get enough yards and/or tire out the D, plus give the D the legitimate threat of trying to anticipate both run and pass....your passing game will have a huge weight taken off it;s shoulder's and can perform at it's best in more comfortable situations that Ryan is used to behind our line and with our backs. It's really not rocket science. If McCoy gets injured for a season and Foles is relied on more heavily....rest assured...those INTs will go up....comple % will go down...
I can respect Tanny for his heart, but between the two, I'm taking Foles. He doesn't throw int's, and his team seems to respond to him. The deep ball isn't even debatable.
Yeah, and? His stats have so much play to work with that he could take a hit across the board, drop 25 QBR points, and still respectably be above a 90 passer rating and top 10 in the league. It's not rocket science. Do you know what Tannehill would have to do to get his QBR all the way up to 118?!! He'd have to convert all those open downfield opportunities for starters.
Can we at least wait until he starts more than half a season or so to get so carried away with this stat. We've seen QB's come into the league before into a talented, well coached system/team and perform well, but eventually the Defenses catch up to them... We're trying to evaluate this all way to soon here...
Well, it does cap at 100, so he'd have to defy mathematics probably. It'd also help his QBR if he wasn't penalized for being behind possibly the worst OL in the NFL.
