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Do you think Nick Foles is better than Tannehill?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by yoge, Jan 4, 2014.

Nick Foles or Tannehill, who is a better QB?

Poll closed Feb 13, 2014.
  1. Nick Foles is clearly a better QB than Tannehill

    38 vote(s)
    49.4%
  2. Im a phkin Dolphan, Tannehill is better no doubt

    21 vote(s)
    27.3%
  3. They're both about the same

    18 vote(s)
    23.4%
  1. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    With Philadephia's OLine and coaching staff, how can you even compare at this point... it's amazing what time and play calling will do for a young QB....
     
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  2. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yup. Because we all know the QB has to throw the ball, then run all the way downfield and catch it too. Better efforts tracking and coming to the ball by the "superstar WR" helps too ya know. Oh wait, no, is all on the QB. Sorry. My bad.

    Every week we see balls over throw and WR's stretch out and dive to make a catch, or slow up and make a catch, or break off a deep route a bit to the left, or right to adjust to the throw... Lets be a bit objective here.

    Also, lets not go crazy now and say im absolving Tannehill of all fault, because I'm not, but to sit and say its all on him is a bit ridiculous in itself.
     
  3. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not to mention routes and a scheme designed to get guys open deep downfield 15 yards plus. Always seems our mismatches and open WR's and opportunities are mostly 5-10 yards. Watching other teams offenses... especially the playoff teams today, its blatantly obvious we need a new OC.
     
  4. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    He has started more than half a season [10 games and took over in the 2nd half of another], so I guess we don't have to wait, eh. :p

    If it weren't for a bologna INT in the massive snow game against Detroit, Foles would have 1 INT to 27 TDs..... to go with an NFL record 7 TD game. When has ANYONE ever performed like that? There's a massive difference between "performing well" and doing what Foles did this year. BTW, not sure why you seem to act like Philly's offense is some sort of temporary gimmick like the wildcat. Philly is not Oregon 2.0.
     
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  5. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    It doesn't cap at 100 so there's no need to defy math.... unless you're suggesting Foles defied mathematics to reach his 118. Of course it'd help his QBR if he weren't behind a bad Oline, but that's still not putting him at Foles' level of 3rd best rating in NFL history. You can't be such a bad deep ball thrower for a season and expect to have a truly impressive season.
     
  6. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6833215/explaining-statistics-total-quarterback-rating

     
  7. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Foles just underthew Jackson deep to the endzone. They should cut him.

    However Jackson saved the day by adjusting back to the ball through the defender, and gets the DPI call instead.

    Hmm... yup. See, good WR's adjust, and help their QB's.
     
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  8. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    He just underthrew Jackson. Bailed out by a PI though because Jackson came back for the ball.
     
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  9. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    Dammit you beat me by a few seconds.
     
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  10. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Jackson & Cooper have been doing this all year. They either adjust to make a phenominal catch or adjust to make the interference happen.
     
  11. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    The OC just rolled Foles to his right and gave him three options to throw to. And what do you know, touchdown. Has Sherman ever even thought of doing that for Tanny?
     
  12. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I see what you did there. :yes:
     
  13. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    2yd TD pass to Daniel Thomas? (Vs the Pats maybe, first Pats game)
     
  14. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly.

    Again, exactly... I said it earlier, in this thread I think, watching the offenses of these playoff teams, it should be blatantly obvious that our OC needs to go.

    EDIT: Wow, now on a 3rd and 1 for the Saints... a QB sneak!! who would have thought it Sherman!
     
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  15. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    Cooper this year with Vick - Avg 20 yards a game
    Cooper this year with Foles - Avg 70 yards a game

    Racist

    I kid, I kid.... Foles is a good QB but I dont see how you compare the two at this point still.
     
  16. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    In this last game, there were several times when Tanne had a lot of time to throw and though I still support him, but he was terrible and yes, all of Foles' success is due to this new found brilliance of the NFL called Chip Kelly. Believe me I like Kelly a lot. I liked what he did in college, but for some, at this point, to be so sure of his brilliance as an NFL coach to be able to take Tanne or any QB and make him be and do as good as Foles has been this year, is a bit far fetched.
     
  17. NyPhinfan

    NyPhinfan Season Ticket Holder

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    Watching 2 QB sneaks on 3rd and 1 just pissed me off beyond belief. It truly made my blood boil. WTF happened this year?
     
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  18. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Unless you're willing to concede that Foles is the best QB in the history of the NFL, you have to attribute a lot of his stats to scheme and personnel. He's a good young QB and is doing very well, but his stats in a vacuum make him look like the best QB in the world, and at this point it is simply not true. That team, the players, the offensive scheme, is elevating his play and placing him in positions to succeed. He is performing, no doubt, and credit to him, but he is getting propped.

    You really cannot compare the two players because you really do not have a controlled environment to isolate their individual skills independent of surrounding contributors.

    I think the only thing you can speculate with at least a little bit of accuracy, is that Tannehill would be performing better with the Eagles, and Foles would be performing worse with the Dolphins. Anything apart from that, including which would be performing better, is a lot heavy conjecture.
     
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  19. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    name a qb under his system that has had poor stats. college or pro. the 3 that i can think of off the top of my head (dixon, mariota, foles) all succeeded. hell, even vick was doing halfway decent and everyone knows his accuracy sucks.
     
  20. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Yet Vick was better in the previous system. Weird.
     
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  21. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    We have Daniel the Train Thomas and Mighty Miller in the Backfield so we don't need to ever do something crazy like that...
     
  22. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Outside of 2010, that's extremely debatable.
     
  23. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    the same vick that got andy reid fired because he sucked last year?
     
  24. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Yea that same Vick that had a career year under a different system.

    I mean. This system is so easy your 10 year old sister could run it right?
     
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  25. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    LOL @ you pretending Tannehill didn't over/under throw Wallace 20x or more this season and acting like Dolphins fans are *******s for being hard on him.
     
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  26. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    a career year 3 years ago? maybe vick has become worse than my 10 year old sister....she's atleast accurate on her throws.
     
  27. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Lol right.
     
  28. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Vick, Barkley. Stick to the NFL.
     
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  29. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    vick played what...4 games? barkley played what...6/7 quarters? this is your argument?
     
  30. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... times infinity. Did you see the game-winning Andrew Luck 64 yard TD to a college-open Brazil? IN.STRIDE!! That's the difference between winning and losing. Luck hits that throw w/o his receiver having to make a crazy play on a poorly thrown ball. Even Alex Smith hit a college-open Donnie Avery in stride for a 79 yard TD. Did you watch the Bama-Oklahoma game? Those f***ing guys hit the open deep ball in stride four or five times. Did Sammy Watkins have to drastically come back and make an acrobatic catch for his open deep TD against Ohio State? No, he caught it in stride.
    Stop acting like this is some sort of herculean QB task. When Tannehill's downfield accuracy reaches an acceptable level you can start complaining that Wallace's performance on the few bad throws is holding Ryan back.

    "Objective"?! GTHO here with this hypocritical crap. The thing we DO see every week in the NFL and college is QBs hitting open receivers downfield w/o the receiver needing to make a lower-efficiency acrobatic catch. Mike Wallace running college-open SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE EITHER STOPPING HIS ROUTE TO COME BACK FOR THE BALL OR DIVING FOR EVERY GODDAM DEEP PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tannehill should be doing his goddam job on his end enough to where the instances you mentioned are few and far between, not every f***ing throw!!!! Nothing, NOTHING that Wallace has done makes Tannehill's deep ball acceptable. NOTHING. So spare me with the objective bull****. What's next, if an offensive line successfully creates holes for a back to exploit are you gonna blame the line when the back keeps falling on his face? Hit the mother******* throw!!

    When all else fails, resort to a straw comment, right. I'm talking about Tannehill's play and Tannehill's alone..... or can we not do that around here? The only thing that's ridiculous is you trying to excuse a horrendous year of downfield passing that is anything but the norm for NFL quarterbacks. Either evidentially show us that Tannehill hits an acceptable NFL level of those throws to begin with or just stop talking.
     
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  31. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    lol...calm down, bro.
     
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  32. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Tannehill def missed throws. But how many PI calls did Wallace get this season? 1? The bengals game?
     
  33. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    LOL Todd was definitely stood up by his hooker tonight. :shifty:
     
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  34. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I know right. It's pathetic. If my grandma backs into the neighbor's mailbox one time I might dismiss it. When she plows it over eighteen times it's because she's a terrible f***ing driver. What tickles me the most is how the apologists act as if Tannehill hits those throws on an acceptable NFL level to begin with.
     
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  35. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Well, I am just answering YOUR question. I said forget college as it's apples and oranges, so I answered your question with the NFL QBs. Those are the only ones we have to go by, Flash. So, stop dodging and answer why the great Matt Barkley looked like s--t under Kelly in that system where any QB can thrive?
     
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  36. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    No I got the good stuff, Rock..... but it's getting ruined by this complete and udder nonsense of these homers acting like Tannehill's deep ball wasn't a problem.... and even worse- acting like it was Wallace's fault he missed so many of 'em. LOL, yeah, it was the guy routinely running wide-open downfield's fault. Shame on Wallace for getting so open downfield that an average Division II QB could've hit him a dozen times w/o the need for acrobatics. This isn't climbing Mt Everest, and the people who treat it as such have no friggin' clue what they're talking about.
     
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  37. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    LOL

    Bad day to be a Foles nuthugger.
     
  38. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    The answer is they don't know, they just feel like calling Foles a system quarterback just because he plays in a spread option. You know, AJ Feely can walk in that system and throw the same INT/TD ratio right now. Nevermind the fact that Foles has a better deep ball, vision, and accuracy.
     
  39. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    How 'bout Vick too?

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    ..... and that's with a crappy offensive line and essentially the same or worse surrounding cast [McCoy, Jackson, Celek, and Avant... Maclin instead of Cooper... and no Ertz]. Yup, it's so friendly that Vick was statistically better before it..... So friendly that Barkley had 4 INTs, 0 TDs, and a 19.5 QBR in 3 appearances. So friendly that only 1 in 3 Philly QBs actually excelled in it. Perhaps it's only friendly to quarterbacks who are good enough to operate it and all its complexities, as well as can convert the deep ball to Jackson & Maclin to force defenses to have to respect its threat, in turn creating greater opportunity for McCoy in the run game and for McCoy and the tight ends down the middle, underneath, and in the flats behind them.
     
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  40. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    How's it being a homer if you say that Wallace could have (and damn sure should have) caught some of those deep passes this year? It's obvious. Some are on Tannehill, some are on Wallace...maybe more on Tannehill, but they need to be best friends this off-season and get that sh*t straight.

    I'm sorry man...for a professional Wide Receiver @ $12M a year, you should expect a little more aggressiveness in TAKING the catch...so many other WRs do it. Jimmy Smith's old *** is still pulling it off weekly, why not Wallace?
     

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