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Gregg Williams as DC?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Alan112, Jan 4, 2014.

  1. Alan112

    Alan112 Member

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    Very disappointed in Coyle this season, and I think we can all say that bounty stuff is behind Wililams. If we clean house, would you want Williams as DC?
     
  2. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Because it's Coyle's fault our LB's are the trashiest in the NFL? Greg Williams going to come in and suddenly make Misi, Ellerbe, and Wheeler talented?
     
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  3. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Isn't he still under contract with the Titans... Even though Munchak has been fired.. Lets wait until he's out too.
     
  4. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't understand the hate for Coyle. Its not our scheme, if our Lbs were even average we would have been stellar on defense. Our defense held teams enough for us to be a playoff team, it wasn't the major issue here. Talent at the LB position crippled the defense. Not scheme is going to cover a bunch of guys who shouldn't be starting on a quality NFL defense. I know we were poor against the run in big situations but our defense did not keep this team out of the playoffs.
     
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  5. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I would have no problem with Williams replacing Coyle or another OC replacing Sherman. I just don't think Philbin will agree to the firing of his coaches, no matter how inept some of them are. Ross might want him to replace some coaches, but according to his contract, Philbin has final say over the hiring and firing of his assistant coaches. I don't see Philbin agreeing to fire anyone and Ross doesn't have the balls to fire Philbin.

    So get used to the idea that it will be Ireland, Philbin, and a second rate coaching staff again in 2014. Also expect another season without a winning record.
     
  6. Alan112

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    So then can you explain to me why Wheeler had a pretty good season in 2012 with no talent around him? Ellerbe you can make the case that he didn't have Ray Lewis but even he had an excellent 2012 and both of them regressed with Miami. What about the decision to not play Dion Jordan? Has to fall on Coyle. If a coach that knew what he was doing had our defense, we'd be top 3 in all categories
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  7. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I agree that Ireland signing Wheeler and Ellerbe was a MAJOR mistake. They were a severe downgrade from Dansby and Burnett. My major problem with Coyle is that the defensive line regressed this year and he couldn't seem to come up with a way to play Jordan more. Either Jordan isn't very good or the defensive coordinator needs to find ways to get him on the field more often.

    Personally I don't hate Coyle, but I prefer Williams over him, because I think Williams is a better DC in the NFL.
     
  8. Alan112

    Alan112 Member

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    I'm curious.. Why did you think it was a mistake to sign Wheeler and Ellerbe. We got younger and faster with them, saved money by cutting Dansby and Burnett. Heck I remember the dolphins fans saying how smart and good of a move it was, as I was one of them. There's just no way that they both played so well in 2012 and did that bad in 2013.

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  9. Colmax

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    I am sorry, but I cannot side with a guy who seemingly wants to hurt or injure opposing players. Have you seen some of the stuff this guy says? No doubt, one has to get his guys to play hard, but it may have been a Williams defense who was the catalyst to Peyton Manning's four neck surgeries several years ago when he was Washington's DC.

    He may be a good DC, but he has no integrity for the way the game should be played; because in the end, it is exactly that: a game. It has always been about the competition of the opponent, and then shake hands afterward to show respect to your opponent.
     
  10. Disgustipate

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    Wade Phillips I think would be above and beyond the best option at DC.
     
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  11. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I really didn't know much about Ellebe or Wheeler prior to them signing with the Dolphins. I had seen Ellerbe in the playoffs last year, but I hadn't really seen Wheeler play much. So I didn't judge the signing of these two positive or negative when it happened. I just thought that Dansby and Burnett were effective in the Dolphins defense, especially against the run.

    At the time of the signings of Ellerbe and Wheeler, it was stated that they would be better in pass coverage and would provide more of a pass rush than Dansby and Wheeler. Getting younger and faster is fine if these younger and faster players are better than the older and slower players you are replacing. Based on the play of Wheeler and Ellerbe this year, compared to Dansby and Burnett. I would say at this time that the Dolphins got the short end of the stick. I just didn't see Ellerbe and Wheeler as upgrades and I think they are very mediocre at best. They both need to be replaced before next year IMO.
     
  12. dolfan22

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    What it appears to be to me , is that Philbin wants no changes and has drawn a line in the south beach sand.

    Pretty much declaring status quo unless you fire me ( and Irleland ) so either the owner is convinced by the regime that has produced virtually no results of significance to date and lets thing be or he declares he isn't satisfied and won't accept the excuses .

    Then he issues a take it or leave it offer if he really wants Philbin and Ireland and if one or the other don't agree then we have wholesale changes.

    Unfortunately I see that the same old same old is likely to be Miami's direction yet again next year and that ultimately it will be viewed as another opportunity to right the ship that wasn't taken.
     
  13. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    While I understand your objection to Williams on moral grounds. That doesn't mean that he isn't a better DC in the NFL than Coyle. As far as I am concerned, he paid for his actions by being suspended for a year without pay from the NFL. I don't condone what he did, but once you serve your time, you are entitled to a second chance, in my opinion.
     
  14. Colmax

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    I am with you, but still. I just do not know.

    Is Coyle on the block or something? Or is this just a 'throwing it out there' kind of thread?
     
  15. Disgustipate

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    At the end of the day even with all of the moral objections, Gregg Williams really isn't that good of a defensive coordinator. He's a guy who disappears up his own *** over the brilliance of his scheme. He's going to try to do too much, and not enough will fit the talent.
     
  16. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Right now, it doesn't appear anyone is on the block. Since Ross hasn't fired anyone so far. The longer it takes for this review, the less likely it seems he will fire anyone.

    So speculation of possible changes is merely wishful thinking for the most part, by those who would like to see changes in the Dolphins coaching staff and in the GM position.
     
  17. jw3102

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    I won't argue that Williams isn't one of the best DC's in the NFL. Yet that is not what this thread is about. It is comparing Wlliams to Coyle and in that comparison, Williams is the better DC. Instead of improving as a defense in Coyle's second year as the team DC. The Dolphins defense regressed this past season, especially against the run and in allowing third down conversions by the opposing offense. Perhaps having bad LB's was the main reason, but the defensive line play also was not as effective this season as it has been in recent seasons.

    Overall, I think the coaching staff of the Dolphins is very average and any upgrades could only improve this team in the future.
     
  18. finfansince72

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    I think Jordan was hurt this year and the coaching staff was protecting him. Who knows though. I'm not saying Coyle is one of the best DCs around the league I just don't think he was a major issue with the team. If our Oline, LBs, Rbs were even average no one is talking about firing anyone here.
     
  19. Disgustipate

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    I think the defense line was more effective in years passed(The defensive tackles were arguably the best we've ever had), it's just Cameron Wake's injury was the issue.
     
  20. jw3102

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    I agree the Wake injury was a factor, but I also think Vernon is a liability against the rush. He is effective as a pass rusher but he is just not big or strong enough to hold up against a lot of tackles in the running game. Weakness against the run was also suppose to be the reason that Jordan didn't get more play on the defensive line.

    I just don't think that with the players now on the roster, this team is best suited for the 4-3 defense it now plays. I think Jordan, Wake, and Vernon are better suited for a 3-4 defense, where they could line up as LB's and not constantly have to line up against offensive tackles. I just don't know if Coyle or Philbin wants to change to a 3-4 defense. Of course with the loss of Starks or Soliai, or possibly both of them in free agency. The Dolphins may be so depleted along the defensive line next season, they will be forced to play a 3-4 defense, which I think will benefit the players on this defense.
     
  21. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    whoever gus malzahn wants to bring in is fine with me. :)
     
  22. MrClean

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    Depends if the swapping out of the LBs was partly his idea. IMO, neither one is ideal for this scheme and it is trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
    Overall though, replacing him is down the list of priorities a ways for me.
     
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  23. jw3102

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    I agree with you Clean, but it looks like no one is going to have to answer for the downgrade at the LB position this year. I have no idea what Ireland has on Ross which prevents Ross from firing him, but it must be something Ross doesn't want anyone else to find out about. That has to be the reason. Because no other reason can justify him keeping a GM who has been here for five consecutive seasons in which the team finished 500 or below, each of those seasons.
     
  24. NolePhin15

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    Gregg Williams is terrible. Just one predictable blitz after another.
     
  25. Marino1384

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    We had a top 10 defense people.... If your offense can't score or say on the field the other team is going to put up points no matter how good your defense is.
     
  26. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    The point is not to get younger and faster, the point is to get better. Not sure that was accomplished. As far as saving money, that was not accomplished either. The money is basically the same for the LB swap, except now for the longer period of time!
     

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