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Mort: Philbin and Ireland appear to be safe but there is tension between the two

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Jan 5, 2014.

  1. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    If we actually made that decision we'd never come here again. Just like we don't go to message boards about other things we don;t care about whatsoever.
     
  2. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    After a moment's thought… actually, I think I'd miss the guys on this message board more than I'd miss the team and the games right now.

    Of course, that changes with a draft and season-opener… or with GMJohnson's next post. ;)


    Kidding! I love this whole dysfunctional ThePhins family. lol. Crazy Uncle GMJ included.
     
  3. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Mort isn't reporting anything new. Ireland and Philbin appear to be safe because nothing has happened to suggest otherwise. It's not a stretch to assume there's some tension between the two. If they were on the same page I think Ross would have kept them both. It's time for a czar. I wonder if Emory is available?
     
  4. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I'm not saying don't care, I'm saying maybe we shouldn't act like our lives are over if Ireland isn't fired. Nothing is permanent. We will be great again and we will suck again, so as people with no impact on the outcome we should just enjoy the ride.

    I mean does it REALLY matter if GMJohnson loves Ireland for example? He isnt calling the shots. So why do we become irate at others opinions? Myself inuded.
     
  5. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Cute how you treat the continued employment of Ireland as a personal victory for yourself. When he's gone you will pretend you never liked him just like all the other incompetent dolphins you have defended on these boards.
     
  6. PapaC

    PapaC New Member

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    It sounds more like Jeff and Joe own this team than Mr. Ross??
     
  7. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Ireland stays I am done
     
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  8. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Everyone talks about how dumb Ireland is.

    What message is being sent to the whole world if you fire Ireland and Philbin after only 2 years together

    Ireland and Philbin are almost untouchable as a result

    Couple this fact with the other ridiculous happenings a few years back with Sparano and NO ONE will want to come here

    Ross almost doesn't have a choice

    It's the right choice
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I've been under the impression for a while that you are an extraterrestrial, so for you to proclaim being an earthbound human is good news. Though your saying as much could just be subterfuge to throw us off the track.
     
  10. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Fixed.
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Foles needs to prove it for another year, yet many here had already proclaimed Tannehill our next Franchise QB, and the greatest thing we've had since Marino, after just last season??
     
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  12. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Funny...it seems as if the people who are happy with the way things are here are the ones most likely to resort to personal insults.
     
  13. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Appealing to authority fallacy. At least use an actually authoritative person on football if you're going to be fallacious.

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  14. Jimmy James

    Jimmy James Ron Swanson

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    See, if we were talking coaching staff I'd agree.

    We're talking the GM. He's the guy who is supposed to make sure there are no holes. He's the problem. Fire him. Let the new GM decide on Philbin, but I really do think a smart GM would bring in somebody as OC who would be his guy to step in year two.
     
  15. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    He'll say we use the same tired argument but his only argument is, essentially, condescension and insults.

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  16. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Incorrect. There is no NFL job that would not have a single qualified candidate apply for. There are 32 NFL head coaching positions, there are a lot of former coaches, position coaches and college coaches that would spring at the chance to get even the worst.

    On the other hand, GM candidates should actually feel incredibly motivated to work here. Ross has shown an almost comically absurd willingness to retain a GM despite all evidence in favor of firing the guy.
     
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  17. Jimmy James

    Jimmy James Ron Swanson

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    I think most GMs would probably be open to the idea that Philbin should probably stay on and if he fails the GM gets to replace him after next season. It's a good way to build goodwill with the new boss and help prevent the team from looking like a complete revolving door.
     
  18. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Ireland is the devil.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Quoted for emphasis.

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  20. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's called homerism.
     
  21. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    So when do they announce the Carl Peterson signing?
     
  22. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    You promise?
     
  23. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Sure if you want the bottom of the barrel. According to most we already have that. Of course there would be hundreds of "coaches" wanting the job. Hiring the right one.....seems to be the problem doesn't it? Firing everyone leaves Ross vulnerable and puts an enormous amount of pressure on him that quite honestly - I don't think he wants. Ross is a planner. he will put things in place for next year. For now, Ross has got "caught with his pant's down" to coin a phrase. I guarantee it will not happen again.

    The message is still important with perception being even more important then reality sometimes. Ross has his personal consultant from the Jets, Matt Higgins. Matt was/is considered a PR expert. He was in charge of relations with the fans in NY. It is no mistake that he is here with Ross. I said last week that Ross would keep the level head and retain both Ireland and Philbin. He has done so, so far. He may still prove me wrong, but the more time that goes by the less likely a change will occur. Hence the reason Matt is here: to deal with the fall-out.

    Ireland and Ross have only been together for 2 years. Ross may not know football inside and out, but he is an extremely intelligent guy who knows that the building blocks of the current talent structure arose from a different coach with different needs and schemes. Ross know's you can not turn over an entire 53 man roster in 1 off season. Ross has demonstrated that if he does not know he will find out. Ross has do what any intelligent billionaire would do and that is to Hire someone to help him along the way. For me I am happy that he recognizes his weakness' and tries to turn them into strengths. We could be like Dallas and have him be the GM and learn on the job. Additionally, I am glad he took his time and made a smart not reactionary decision. I say decision because the folks in question are still here and still functioning in their daily job assignments.

    As far as the tension between Ireland and Philbin, of course there is tension. I would be surprised if there wasn't any. Of course there is tension people are talking about these guys losing life long dream jobs. Is Ireland happy the team **** the bed in Buffalo. Of course not. But then to **** the bed in NY. Who would have thought it. So we went from the Playoffs to being possibly fired. That's a big swing. Tension....you bet

    Blowing this team's management up for the sake of blowing this teams management up is setting this team back. Little will be gained from Firing everyone except for an even worse record next year, and being even further away from the ultimate trophy. We got 12 or so weeks until the draft. We need to get into high gear and get this **** figured out and it starts with the offensive line. Fix it and sign another TE and a replacement for Wheeler and I believe we make the playoffs, baring injury, with out a doubt.
     
  24. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Another thought..

    If Mort's report is true then that means Ireland and Philbin have some conflict.

    If I'm Ross, how do you allow both to stay if the working environment between the two has been comprised??

    Your GM and HC have to work together. You can't keep both if they have issues with one another...

    I'm beginning to think that even if we rid ourselves of Ireland and Philbin, like I wanted, Ross may blow the rehires.

    At this point, I just want blame and accountability shown by one being shown the door. I'm leaning towards Philbin. I believe Mortenson's report to be true. In that case, you can't move along status quo with a charred relationship between the two.
     
  25. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Its kinda like watching Rambo or Saving Private Ryan and then telling the Secretary of Defense how to do his job.
     
  26. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Charred relationship? Where did that come from?

    There is tension. If there was not tension then I would be worried. Ross expected this team to make the playoff's. No one saw 2 game losing streak coming. It's not like we lost by 1 point in the final seconds of a hard fought game. We got our arses handed to us in both games. We didn't show up....period and that is coaching.

    So Tension....no doubt. Ireland and Philbin went from hero's to loser's in less then 14 days. Went from possible contract extension's to possibly being fired.
     
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  27. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Charred relationship is another phrase for tension between the two. Mort said there is tension between those two meaning they have an issue.

    Know what it is? I do.

    Ireland believes he's providing players good enough to win. Joe Philbin believes he isn't.

    Tell me, how is that a positive working environment? Does that scream success?
     
  28. Phinatic74

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    I am glad that the team will be retaining Jeff Ireland. I don't deserve to see a good football team. I've done a lot of questionable things in my life and being tortured with mediocrity is sort of like my penance. So here's to JEFF for another 5 years. I don't know if I could function properly without the misery. We don't have it that bad though, can you imagine what Bengals fans did to deserve that team. I'd rather be 6-10 every year instead of 11-5 and knowing every single year I will lose my first playoff game. They must be ready to torch Marvin Lewis. What a dirty tease that team is. And that team's young core could be around long enough to lose in the 1st round for the next 8 years.
     
  29. ASUFinFan

    ASUFinFan Uh huh

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    With all due respect, you had me until 250 sit ups a day lol. That's not even recommended with how much stress it puts on your back. Way better avenues to a rock solid core. No reason to do 1750 sit ups a week haha, that's priceless.

    In all seriousness, hope your enjoying your retirement, sounds like you are. Cheers
     
  30. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    You don't win championships with incompetent people. Jeff Ireland is an incompetent GM. It's a running joke in the NFL that he even has this job, and Miami is going to be even more of a laughing stock if they keep this ****ing moron.
     
  31. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Its a running joke because one unnamed source said so? It isn't even the biggest joke. Rick Fing Speilman is still in Minnesota. Believe it or not plenty of teams are doing way worse in the GM department.

    I'm not advocating keeping him. Since the season ended and I've had time to digest I've advocated moving on. However don't make it out to be way worse than it is.
     
  32. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    There is nothing worse than keeping Jeff Ireland. Not a damn thing. I can't think of a single GM in any sport that is more incompetent at his job and has blown more resources than this mother ****er has.
     
  33. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    He's not. Apparently one owner and at least a couple of AFC executives have been quoted as saying there's a disbelief he still has a job.
     
  34. Stringer Bell

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    Discourse here has gone from low to outright dangerous. A lot of hate speech being used.

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  35. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    In the world of business, isn't that the M.O.? After all, it really is JUST a business. You s*** the bed, the boss takes your head.

    I don't mind somebody making mistakes and learning from them, but there's a huge difference between making a few minor mistakes and completely failing. Ross, Ireland, Philbin, Sherman/Coyle, are the biggest targets, because they have the biggest responsibilities for how the team shows...team excellence HAS to come from the top down...absolutely HAS to.

    Several supposedly pro-bowl or close to pro-bowl level players were brought in this year, and performed uncharacteristically under their average/capabilities...Grimes being the exception...and the only reason we got him is because he was a cheap 1 year deal...good luck seeing him on the field for us next year. THAT is not a sign of a well-run franchise...I just don't know how to fix it, if I did, I'd likely be employed by an NFL organization.
     
  36. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Ireland gave Philbin enough talent to beat teams like San Diego, New England, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

    It was coaching that didn't game plan and scheme to beat teams such as Buffal(2), NYJ and Tampa

    All we had to do was win one of the last 2 games and we got our arses handed to us. Scheme and not being able to get the players to play was the reason we are not in the post season. I have no reservation about this coaching staff. Philbin was installed by Ross. The Dolphins negotiated and signed a contract with Philbin giving Philbin authority to hire and fire his staff....not Jeff Ireland
     
  37. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Keep thinking that. When the team ****s the bed again next year because they didn't get rid of that dumbass Ireland, you can come back to this post.
     
  38. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    You just disregard the fact? You somehow dispute we beat these teams but **** the bed when we played the other teams. How can you logically deduct that the talent doesn't exist when we beat these teams but lost to the others. there is only one other deduction and it has to be coaching.

    From the looks of the last 2 games----especially against Buffalo
     
  39. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The Jets beat the Saints as well. Doesn't make them nearly as talented as the Saints.

    I'm just curious as to who you think these great players that Ireland has brought in are? This happens to be one of the worst built rosters in football.
     
  40. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    Hm then what is Ross?
     

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