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****The Official 2013-14 NBA Thread****

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Boik14, Jul 7, 2013.

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  1. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    When someone says arguably they dont mean he is. They mean it's close. I agree that Lopez was the most valuable over the first quarter of the season but its by a smidgeon. The reason is he missed games even before the season ender. If you look at the wins the Nets have had Lopez outscored Johnson in 4 out of 7 of them but Johnson played in another two games while Lopez sat. In the nine games Johnson scored 171 points while Lopez scored 159. Is a healthy Lopez more valuable than a healthy Johnson. I believe so but going off the first quarter of the season it was definitely close between the two
     
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  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    gotta hand it to you. That is awesome
     
  4. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well that may be your general opinion about arguably however when I use it its general a preface to saying this as nicely as I can. A valuable big is almost always more valuable then anything else. Furthermore Lopez has much improved his footwork and defense from what I have seen. PPG is almost never a good measure for a post up big like Lopez because they are dependent on other players, mainly guards, to get them the ball. When you have volume guards you cant have a volume big. Do you want your guards shooting around 40-45% taking a ton of shots or a big who was shooting 56% this year (51% for his career)? Lopez was averaging only 13.5 shots per game, the lowest since his rookie year while averaging a career high in PPG. This isnt a debate. Lopez's rebounds were down but his turnovers were down too and his steals and blocks were on par with his career numbers.
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    agreed. If its close, I always take a big over a guard and he had definitely improved his game. Remember though, on this team Johnson doesnt play 40 minutes. He's getting his points in 30 minutes. All I was saying is it was a lot closer then you seemed to imply
     
  6. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Depends on how many of those are 3's. A big can go 50 for 100 down low and score 100 points at 50% shooting. A perimeter player can go 35 for 100 from three and score 105 points at 35% shooting. Which one is more valuable?

    Plus tons of other variables including FT's and turnovers. Point being that shooting percentage isn't that cut and dry.
     
  7. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Which is more valuable? Ill take the big. Missing that many threes is going to lead to a ridiculous amount of fast break points.

    However you still made a great point because it gets harder to decide as the percentages get closer to one another.
     
  8. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    In a vacuum, you lose.
     
  9. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Its not that cut and dry but at the same time my point was that you can find 30 shooting guards in the league that can hit 3's reliably and be a good scorer...maybe not as good as Johnson but similar types isolation scorers. You cant find more then 6 centers worth a crap. Theres D12, Marc Gasol, Bosh Cousins, Lopez and Davis in no order. Everyone else is a defender first (Noah, Bogut), limited and inconsistent on offense (Hibbert, Drummond), or some combo of the 2.
     
  10. PhinsPhan11

    PhinsPhan11 Phins & Philly Sports

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    Found this kind of funny.

    [video]http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/01/latest-nets-embarrassment-leaving-court-early-at-end-of-loss-to-spurs/[/video]
     
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  11. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Well of course in a vacuum where only the points count I'd lose.
     
  12. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Right but that's not at all what your previous post said.
     
  13. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Warriors are definitely a team to watch. I feel like their style of play will take them very far.

    Ray Allen dunked between two warriors though. Almost worth the loss to see that.
     
  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Yeah. Its them or the Thunder out of the west IMO
     
  15. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    I wouldn't dismiss the Spurs summarily. I have a lot of respect for that organization and they still have plenty of fight.
     
  16. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    MCW comes back and Philly wins 4 straight. Terrible.
     
  17. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It actually is, it's just another way of saying it.
     
  18. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i never dismiss them but I dont just dont feel they will do it this year. i would be a bit surprised but not shocked if they made it
     
  19. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    btw Nets on a 2 game win streak with one of those courtesty of a joe johnson game winner with time running out[​IMG]
     
  20. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I can finally stop watching trash get rolled out at the SF position! :party:
     
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  21. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    God the future of this team is so depressing. Tank through 3 of the worst drafts in recent memory and then string together a team to back into the playoffs in one of the most loaded drafts of the last 10 years.

    Not that I hate the Deng move. He's a perfect fit. Just don't see how they turn this roster into something worth being excited about anytime soon.
     
  22. schmolioot

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    Not only did you tank in bad drafts, you took some of the worst possible players.

    Don't even remember who you could've had instead of Waiters but the Bennett pick was a disaster than anybody could have seen coming. Why no Oladipo? Even Noel, at least take a chance on a true big.

    Though if you re-sign Deng, that at least ends the LBJ back to Cleveland nonsense, so as a Heat fan, godspeed.
     
  23. #1 fan

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    Lilliard or Drummond
     
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  24. Boik14

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    Knicks should pick up Bynum. Cant possibly be worse then some of the crap theyre floating out there. If he gives them 15-20 minutes a night or can play well when Tyson gets hurt again that makes him worth more then Ron Artest.
     
  25. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well there you go.

    Lillard and Kyrie in the backcourt? Wow.

    So, Cleveland could have Kyrie, Andre Drummond and Oladipo, but have Kyriw, Waiters and bennett.

    Again, wow.
     
  26. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Would be a decent move. I'm not sure whay type of salary he will command but I'd also love to see him in Miami.
     
  27. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    Eh - Drummond was a miss, but he went, what - 8th? 10th? Wasn't an obvious pick. Lillard pick wouldn't have made Kyrie very happy. Oladipo gets a ton of hype but his numbers aren't better than Waiters' rookie year.

    If you redraft the Cavs they could've had Kyrie, Oladipo, Barnes, Jonas V. That's better than what they have - but...not really a good team. They'd still be looking desperately to add talent.

    I think they were the victims of bad drafts more than bad choices.

    If you want to talk about bad decisions - the Jarrett Jack contract is terrible.
     
  28. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    You wouldn't - he can't move. He's shooting 42%. Miami runs transition offense and athletic defense - he can't do either.

    He was really, really bad on the Cavs.
     
  29. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Yea, the worst was getting back on defense. So terrible. Once he got set on offense he wasn't atrocious when he got the ball, but otherwise he was bad.
     
  30. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Assuming he'd even come over to play for the Cavs (either this year or last).


    And yea, Jack's play has been frustrating. I loved him last year and was very happy when we signed him.
     
  31. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    That bad? That's pretty disheartening. I would have thought he could contribute 8-10 minutes a game.

    Im pretty sure his shooting percentage would go up just based on the players around him, but if he can't play any defense now he's useless.
     
  32. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    If you run at him he might block it. Does that count?
     
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  33. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    I don't know if your system would keep him closer to the rim - but he was floating out taking jumpers more and more for the Cavs. It became a fairly large % of his shots the last few weeks he was playing.

    He had a few games where he looked great - but they weren't frequent enough to cover for his disastrous defense.
     
  34. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    To be honest we have never had a true center so I'm not sure how Spoelstra would play him. That is one reason a lot of fans are so antsy to see Oden out there.

    I guess using Joel Anthony as a sort of measuring bar, he would be pretty close to the rim. Again though like you said...if his defense is that bad now...no way we even look at him.
     
  35. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    LOL Yes but not very much.
     
  36. Mainge

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    Dampier.
     
  37. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Totally forgot about him. Hes kind of forgettable.
     
  38. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    I'm sure if you had a true center Spoelstra would find a way to re-tool the offense and use him effectively. I just don't think Bynum is at a level of play that would make it worth doing that, if that makes sense.
     
  39. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Knicks actually played goid defense last night. Congratulations.
     
  40. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    congrats knickers. looks like you guys have turned it around somewhat. good to see. time for both our teams to start rolling over the rest of the east
     
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