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Salguero: Aponte snitched out Ireland to Philbin

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Jan 8, 2014.

  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I agree.
    I'm not saying we had enough talent that we should've won a SB but we did have enough to make the playoffs with better coaching, with an OC who was better than the one we fired. For anyone to suggest the coaching staff did a great job and milked a bad roster for all they could get in order to win 8 games is pure lunacy..... lobotomy worthy.

    That's 2 of the past 3 years that we underachieved significantly b/c of coaching. Sparano was the other in 2011 where we started 0-7 amidst blowing some 4th quarter leads and then strongly finished 6-3 including a rough Thanksgiving loss to Dallas as the game expired. The reality is Ireland was an average GM, perhaps slightly above average considering the coaching we've had, but obviously that's still not good enough to meet expectations. It seems like he deserves to be gone, but for anyone to treat him like he was so bad that he turned us into the pathetic Matt Millen Lions and built the worst roster in the league is a bunch of horse**** and is an insult to the quality players we do have who prevent this roster from being among the bottom of the league. I have no respect for integrity lacking nonsense like that. If Ireland's performance failed to meet expectations then his destiny would take care of itself w/o the need for people like KB to create these crazy dramatic agendas to persuade people into thinking he's the goddam antichrist or something.
     
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  2. slickj101

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    You better settle down or you'll have the Dukes of Hazzard on your tail.
     
  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    You lose when you finish the season scoring 7 points across two games on the back of an OC who got fired.

    We obviously didn't have Super Bowl level talent, however when you beat 4 playoff teams despite an eventual canned OC then clearly there's more talent than you're giving credit for. It's amusing that you despise Ireland so much that you'd rather lay blame on a semi talented roster than the coaching staff that consisted of a canned OC, a group of position coaches that need to be fired, a DC who did things that made just about everyone scratch their heads [hello end of first half FG against Carolina], and a HC who readily seems inferior to Rex Ryan and was outcoached by the guy fired in Tampa and twice by the first year guy in Buffalo.
     
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  4. ToddPhin

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    Seems like an easy concept to understand. "Here are the keys. Steaks in the fridge, remote's on the coach. Do what you want just don't trash the place".
     
  5. cdz12250

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    Ireland was the cancer and has been all along. Remember the Dez Bryant's mother question? Yes, we've beaten that to death, but it was significant because only an unproffesional asshat asks a kid a question like that. It was our first glimpse of his personality. We've heard rumblings for years that the man was universally despised. The price of living with his personality disorders was too high to pay for the acorns he found, especially when you look carefully at his performance in the higher rounds of the draft: the players he chose and the players he didn't choose. Good riddance.

    Armando is a tool, but at least he's doing his job by blowing the lid off the pressure cooker that is this front office. He is right when he says that the coaching staff did not cover itself in glory this year, and that only a thorough cleaning is going to fix the dysfunctional behavior and restore the franchise's credibility.

    Perpetuating this mess by promoting from within the organization will not fix anything. The new guy has to be a universally recognized, thoroughgoing professional with the power of life and death, and it should be made plain to everyone that at the first sign of inappropriate behavior or incompetence, he has Ross's imprimatur to swing the axe. The palace revolution is over. It's time for Dawn to go back into her capologist role or leave for the NFL office, and for Philbin to get on with his last chance to produce results without the albatross of Sherman around his neck.

    Frankly, it would be better if Philbin were fired, too, so that the stink is fully cleared out and the new guy brings in his own people. It should at least be his option. I'm not sure that a guy who let Sherman's nepotism and incompetence go on because Sherman was a convenient crutch who was once his mentor is the guy who should be coaching the team. But he'll probably get another chance.
     
  6. Califin

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    Hmmm, if the reclamation effort dictates the removal of two interior walls, to convert the entry hall into a grand foyer, along with the gutting of large portions of hard ceiling, to expose structural beams and rafters, " do what you want, just don't trash the place" may need to be amended to...."remotes on the couch, and if the need should arise, you'll find an 8 lb. sledge hammer in the garage".
     
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  7. Fin D

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    Ardoucheo says the relationship soured during the last 2 games, yet we heard the relationship was horrible way BEFORE that.

    Its been surmised that Ireland was Ardip****'s source this whole time. This article confirms it.
     
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  8. Colmax

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    Honestly, not a fan of Armando's, and regardless of his "sources", etc.; but this is not a bad article. In fact, besides your typical Armando hyperboles, things actually begin to make sense with this article. Aponte told Philbin "word for word". Wow. Ireland should have been pissed because he probably knew his neck was on the line.

    Honestly, after all of this, I seriously hope Philbin gets on board with in-game adjustments. I hope his stubbornness does not get into the way of what is happening on the field. I dislike the 'he said, she said' aspect of all of this because it does look very soapy. Honestly, a damned mini series could be written about it!
     
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  9. VManis

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    So let me get this straight. You can't get a top level coach if you have a GM in place and you can't get a top level GM if you have a coach in place. Kind of a catch 22 isn't it?
     
  10. jim1

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    Who is the cancer? Looks like it's Dawn Aponte to me. The fired GM wasn't good at managing, the Head Coach isn't particularly good at being a coach and the executive VP ratted out the GM who she didn't get along with and was oddly and embarrassingly velroed to the head coaches side. The whole situation is repulsive.

    This whole rat ship should be torn down, with corporate toe tags issued for Philbin, Aponte and whoever else is part of that culture. Start fresh. This article confirmed to me what I thought about Aponte, although I do have to take into consideration that it was written by- Armando. If she had a problem of that magnitude she should have gone straight to Ross, all this covert tattle tale bs is nauseating.

    From the op article:

    So the same way star head coach candidates avoided the Dolphins like the plague in 2012 because Ross went looking with a general manager he wanted to force on people, now the Dolphins could lose out on a star talent evaluator because that person must accept getting aboard a ship Philbin and Aponte are already trying to navigate.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/08/3858193/armando-salguero-relationship.html#storylink=cpy

    Philbin himself running the team is bad enough- the idea of Philbin running the team with Aponte, hand in hand, makes me want to puke. Ross still has work to do, keep the axe sharp.
     
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  11. Fin D

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    It doesn't make sense though.

    Ireland and Philbin have been at odds waaaaaaaaaay longer then the last two games.
     
  12. Section126

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    Armando sucks...I don;t click on his articles..and I try to only contribute my undying hatred of his sorry *** to any thread that involves him.
     
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  13. Sumlit

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    Armando again spinning bullshat and people here fighting over it, what's new. Frankly I was expecting this as soon as they announced Ireland's departure. Mando has been licking Ireland's *** for so long, he still got shat stains all around his mouth.

    However, even though I don't buy a single word this dipsh.it says, I also wouldn't mind totally cleaning house with this organization. Even if Philbin didn't necessarily do enough to warrant getting fired, IMO he also did not do enough to guarantee the safety of his job, and completely cleaning house to clear the stench that permeates everyone surrounding this team is a good enough reason to fire everyone and start fresh.
     
  14. finsincebirth

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    Armando really glossed over the most important question that we should all be asking. Did Aponte get stitches?

    Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
     
  15. pmj

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    I don't like Armando either, but only the biggest of Ireland haters WOULDN'T have been angry with the game planning, play calling, and lack of adjustments this season.

    I seriously hope either I'm wrong, Philbin gets better at it, or the new GM stocks so much talent it doesn't matter, but I feel I can never have confidence that a Philbin led team will beat or even be mentally prepared for an inferior opponent.
     
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  16. Vertical Limit

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    Give Aponte a raise then if true, but don't make her a GM.
     
  17. Alex44

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    I don't know how much of this is actually true, but I heard on the radio this morning that after the Tampa and NE losses, Ireland became annoyed that Philbin wouldnt step in and force Sherman to adjust.

    Either way I'm glad Ireland is hone, but if true it gives me more respect for him and feel a bit more uneasy about Philbin.
     
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  18. Larryfinfan

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    Well, JI was Mando's source for info, now he has to find another, that's why the hate he's spewed about JI losing his job, not because of the lack of leadership and talent acquisition that he's been responsible for....

    Now, if for some strange reason, much of what he says is true, then that adds even more to the reasons for Ireland to be canned. He can't keep his subordinates and organizational peers connected and working towards the same goals...

    At any rate, I honestly haven't read the article, as I don't read his stuff any longer, you really lost me a Armando..he's a worthless hack and not a journalist anyone should trust. His goal is to smear the Fins in any way he can, not to report on the team...
     
  19. Colmax

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    Probably. But it seemed as though they worked well together during the draft process last year. Maybe the biggest catalyst to the divide was the bullying scandal, when it was said that Philbin wanted to rid of Incognito after the golfing incident. That really hurt the team, yet made the case for Philbin's "steady as she goes" approach.

    I do, however, hope Philbin learned a big lesson in the last two games of the season. He can get riled. I've seen the passion on gameday on the sidelines. Hopefully more of that matriculates into the locker room.
     
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  20. padre31

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    Yep, we have a Qb, a GM's job is made 90% easier when you have that working for you
     
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  21. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Oh wait

    You don't say

    11-5

    Could it be

    Nah say it isn't so
     
  22. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    The guy is an utter and complete prick...
     
  23. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Makes absolute sense. Aponte is on a power grab. If Purposely pitting Ireland against Philbin gets Ireland demoted/fired or in this case he leaves willingly who is the logical person to step up : Aponte

    Already been reported by others she is "In charge"

    The other consideration is this is now knowledge that Potential candidates will definitely need to consider.

    I personally wouldn't want to be looking over my shoulder........or forced to work with a coach I didn't hire

    Doesn't seem like a optimal situation
     
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  24. jim1

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    Does anyone really think that having the power hungry snitch Dawn Aponte in the front office is going to help to attract the best candidates for the GM position? I'd rather see a new GM hired and let them bring their own team in the house. Too much bs, back biting, snitching and incompetence going on there. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting to work with Aponte or, previously, Ireland. If Stephen Ross wants a winning, well functioning team on the field, then maybe he should try for a winning, well functioning team in the front office. From what I've read he likes Aponte, so my best guess is that that cancer will stay in the house. And that's a shame.
     
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  25. Two Tacos

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    If Jeff had an issue with coaching he should have told the coaches too, not just badmouthed them at work to their coworkers, and presumably to their boss. I would think Ross would be in that same box. That is the snake in the grass behavior. Have a problem with the play calls or game plan? Fine. Tell everyone but the coaches, backstabbing weasel. Dawn did nothing wrong IMO.

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  26. Fin D

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    And yet rumblings around the league say we are a very attractive destination for a GM.
     
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  27. ATLFINFAN

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    Sounds like a RUMOR. This would mean she was working WITH Ireland on this, and against Philbin.
     
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  28. MIASportsFan

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    Everyone says Aponte is highly regarded around the league. She is a plus to the organization from an outside perspective. I agree she should've let Ireland talk to Philbin himself. Unless he was not doing so, then Aponte was right as Philbin should know Ireland's thoughts on the team and his coaching
     
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  29. jim1

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    Ireland was wrong to bad mouth Philbin, but your opinion is that Aponte did the right thing by turning into a rat? If she felt that the GM was not acting in the best interests of the team, did she go to Stephen Ross and discuss the issue? If not, why?

    Wouldn't that have been better than sneaking off and ratting out Ireland as to what he was saying about Philbin? Wasn't it more than a little odd that Aponte was shadowing Philbin frequently? Was Aponte back stabbing Ireland because she didn't like him and wanted more power with Ireland fired? Was that in fact her main goal, not so much helping Philbin?

    Why did Philbin put up with this s***? Ireland talking smack, being demasculated by having a controlling Aponte at his side no often? Did he go straight to Stephen Ross and get to the bottom of the Ireland situation, the bad mouthing behind his back, all of that? If not, why? Is he a strong head coach as he's supposed to be, or is he weak?

    F*** them all, clean house. The stink of fear and betrayal must be strong in that building. Get a new GM with his people in place, clear out the festering rat ship. I'm very happy that Ireland is out, that's a start. Now it's time to get the weak (Philbin) and the conniving & manipulative power grabber (Aponte) out the door.
     
  30. Fin D

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    Who said she was sneaking around? You don't know any of this happened as the article is full of half truths and lies. We know this "info" in this article was supplied by Ireland.

    For all any of us know she did go to Ross. To act like she's a rat based on partial or flat out wrong information makes no sense.
     
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  31. jim1

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    If she wanted to be straightforward about it in the light of day, fine. She didn't. Plus that weird, bulls*** shadowing Philbin crap. Made her look like a control freak and him like a wuss. The chick is unpleasant- I don;t like her as a contract negotiator because she is so abrasive, but if she does the job well enough then that's fine. What I'd rather not see is her with any type of real authority over coaches, GM, personnel dept. etc. I can't imagine a top flight GM candidate thinking that gee, I'd get to work with or for Dawn Aponte in Miami, how wonderful. In my opinion she's a net negative, not a net positive.
     
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  32. Sumlit

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    The only snake in this scenario is Ireland. People need to stop taking the words of Armando as anything other than manipulating garbage, considering these words are more than likely coming from the snake in chief himself.

    If Ireland had an issue with Philbin's coaching, then he should have done what a grown up man and professional should do, and that is go talk with Philbin. This conniving and back door bad mouthing is as low and dirty as it gets.

    Has anyone even considered than even if it is true Aponte told Philbin about Ireland's cowardly bad mouthing, that was what Ireland truly intended? If Ireland said this things in front of Aponte in a public area, then he must have known it more than likely would get back to Philbin, so he must have said them in full knowledge of what would happen and with full intention.


    We don't really know a lot about Aponte, other than she is one tough woman, but then again, one must be tough to get the position she is in a field dominated by men. However what we do know is that Ireland is a jerk and that Armando is his dirty pawn.
     
  33. Zach13

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    Lots of blame to go around.
    The talent isn't good enough and that is Ireland's fault.

    OTOH, this team had enough talent to beat New England (as well as several other playoff teams) and then loses to the Jets and Bills.
    Philbin has to take some heat for that.

    IMO, the truth is that Ireland was a below average GM and Philbin is a mediocre coach. If I were the owner I would try to get an elite GM and HC.
     
  34. ATLFINFAN

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    It's amazing to me that some on here, haven't learned a thing about the Miami press. Some of you are getting so pissed and it's all based on speculation. Wow......

    Read this crap for entertainment and let it go. We have no control anyway.

    What did Aponte do? No idea.........
    What did Ireland do? No idea.......
    What did Philbin do? No idea.......
    What SHOULD Ross do? No idea.......I have an opinion, but it carries no weight.


    Lighten up people. They are trying to sell papers and get hits.
     
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  35. bigbry

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    Salguero's read was funny. My gawd! Talk about sour grapes...sheesh.

    To me that article was nothing but crying, he should just say from now on. "I'm on the outside looking in" "I actually know nothing", but "here is my best guess"
     
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  36. MIASportsFan

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    I agree, but easier said than done. Elite GM's and HC's are already taken or not interested in coming back to the NFL. Basically trying to find a diamond in the rough at GM right now.
     
  37. thisperishedmin

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    LOL ...this reads more like an advertisement than reporting. What a joke.
     
  38. Zach13

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    I agree 100%.
    The problem has been the lack of football knowlege of the owner and his approach to filling these positions.

    It could well be that sticking with Philbin will cost the Fins the chance to get a good GM.

    If it were me, it is a three step process:

    1. Do whatever it takes to get the best GM available. Shove a mountain of money at the right person.
    2. Let the GM have a significant say in selecting the HC.
    3. Keep drafting QB's annually in rounds 1-3 until the franchise has an elite QB.

    After you have an elite QB, then you make the run.
    it made no sense to throw that much money around last year on the back of an unproven QB.
     
  39. MIASportsFan

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    If you don't spend money to put talented pieces around him, how could you expect to prove himself? The receiving core in his rookie year was sad. We can't use top picks on a QB when we have no o-line to speak of and Tannehill made significant strides year 1 to 2.
     
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  40. Boik14

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    If she snitched out Ireland for any reason, whatever the reason is, I dont care. Ireland did enough of a crappy job here to get himself fired and when he couldnt do it with his own incompetence Aponte gave him a push off the ledge. GOOD FOR HER. To me that just shows me she cares enough about the organizations results and loyalty to the organization not to her incompetent co-worker. I wouldnt care if she tied him up and threw him on the plane just to get Jeffy out of town. As far as Im concerned thats what the majority of Dolphins fans have been dreaming about doing the last two years or so.

    Nothing will ever top 2 things (you werent around for it)...
    1. Juan Huron...this started when we were all at Finheaven but the legend about a mythical football player never dies.....http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?25708-My-Interview-with-THE-Juan-Huron
    2. Can Zach Thomas play safety?

    Those were legendary. And ridiculous. Im pretty sure Phinsational was being a little dramatic there.
    If the snake kills the rat the snake is just doing its job. Thats what nature tells the snake to do.
     

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