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Jason Cole: Miami is basically screwed with this GM search

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Jan 9, 2014.

  1. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    But the GM must have final say.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    It might be just my opinion but the Dolphins cap space is at its best since the cap has been instigated. When has Miami spent the most in free agency and still been under the cap next year. Heck even if they release all of the three big signings they only take one big hit and they can recover quickly.

    I do not understand why a GM wouldn't want to work with Aponte.


    If Gaine is good at his job, why wouldn't someone want to work with Gaine?

    Especially if Ireland is the prick everyone says he is, why would people think automatically that Miami is dysfunctional.
     
  3. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Why? What if the GM wants to make a move that is bad for the team's financial future just in hopes of winning in the near-term?
     
  4. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Regardless, he chose not to come here b/c of the power structure. Fast forward 2 years and we have Ireland leaving b/c the owner wants the GM to have less power and Aponte have more. Maybe that was just a ploy to get Ireland out the door, but I don't see that being the case considering Ross has already promoted Aponte and seems to want her to have more and b/c he's interested in both a czar and the absence of unilateral decision making, probably b/c he feels burned by Parcells and Ireland. He seems like a guy who finds out his wife is cheating on him and then treats every other woman on the planet as if they're cheaters too. Either find a GM you have enough confidence in to be the primary decision maker or sell the team to someone who will.

    To me this seems analogous to trying to sign Peyton Manning but telling him the offensive coordinator will be making all the calls. Why would a QB of value want any part of that?
     
  5. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I don't think GMs don't want to work with Aponte. I think they want to be able to overrule her.
     
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  6. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    The GM under no circumstances should answer to an individual like Aponte who knows nothing about football.
     
  7. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    We also have a large number of free agents hitting the market..so the incoming GM has a solid nucleus..a promising young Qb..plenty of cap space..he really doesnt jab to wait for bad contracts to expire before putting his thumbprint on the team. The owner will spend money..and is loyal. Its a team in a good spot..you dont find GM jobs set up so well and open very often.

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  8. vt_dolfan

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  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    In terms of salary cap and contracts?
     
  10. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    And should Aponte answer to an individual that doesn't know finance? Neither of them answer to one another. They both are judged on different criteria. If the team plays bad, nobody is going to fault Aponte. If the team is in great cap position, nobody is crediting the GM. They have separate, vested interests, but their actions are interdependent.
     
  11. Stringer Bell

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    Salary cap, contracts, overall budgets. Do you think Jeff Ireland would have looked like he did a better job if he was able to spend another $20MM last offseason? What if he spent another $30MM? He didn't have the opportunity to **** up the team's finances, and we should be thankful for that. Have to take the good with the bad.
     
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  12. jinx

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    You are spinning in circles on this. Any evaluator worth hiring should know the monetary value of a player. Aponte's job is to structure the contract in a way that is best for the salary cap. Nothing more.
     
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  13. Sumlit

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    People are operating with an extremely high level of speculation. We need to take these type of twitter comments the same way we take comments and suggestions from fans in this very site, because that is exactly what they are. These people on twitter are doing exactly what we're doing here, speculate.

    I mean, supposing there even is a so called structured in this team, why on hell would it be set up to fail? Why can't it be GM is in charge of personnel and scouting, just like in most teams; Makes personnel decisions with input from the HC, just like in most teams; and finally has to run things by the Administrative side of the team in Aponte, just like in most teams.

    What is so dysfunctional and disastrous about this structure?
     
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  14. Serpico Jones

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    To get a guy like Gamble you would have to give him final say with the understanding that he listen to Aponte's advice on finances, but you'll have to give him veto power. Gamble doesn't strike me like a big ego guy that will overrule Aponte's advice, though.
     
  15. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    He high fived a loss IINM

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  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Any fan who ever believed we had a chance in hell at signing Manning, considering Denver had over twice as much cap space was living in a fantasy world. Arizona, Tennessee, they had no shot either. Denver was something like $36 mil under the cap at the time. We were something like $15 mil under. Arizona and Tennessee were down in our neighborhood too. If people want to believe there was some other reason Manning chose Denver, because it makes them feel better about things, well yeah ok, go ahead. Sure, the Manning camp can say whatever else they want. It is obvious to me what was the elephant in the room.
     
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  17. vt_dolfan

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    If Aponte is thought of so poorly..why was she mentioned as possible VP for the league. We want a good player evaluator...not a good finance guy. Thats her expertise. Why is it bad to have the best of both worlds?

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  18. ToddPhin

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    I get all that, but Ross wants to give Aponte more power..... and I'm guessing that new power ventures into responsibilities that she may have not yet proven herself in. To me it seems like he either wants to reward her with a promotion or promote her in effort to keep her around. Either way I don't see how an incoming GM would be ecstatic about part of his job going to her. It seems too conflicting to me. Personally I'd care more about my GM search than what Aponte's role will be, and I certainly wouldn't want to be openly talking about giving her more responsibility and power before we even have a new GM in place. To me that creates too much air of volatility.
     
  19. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    It really cannot be ignored anymore. Ross's loyalty caused problems finding the best coaching candidates and now his loyalty to Philbin and Aponte may very well prevent the best GM form being hired. The problem created by not firing Ireland in 2011 lives on.
     
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  20. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    yet Ross has shown interest in both employing a czar and giving Aponte more authority than just the financial stuff. You act like she isn't chomping at the bit to nail down a GM job. If you employ a czar to babysit and expand Aponte's scope of responsibilities then obviously the GM won't have as much control as you're intimating.
     
  21. Vertical Limit

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    Is this the only organization in the NFL where the fans are talking about the team's accountant vs the GM? I swear you ask any other team's fans in the NFL and they won't even know the name of the person that has the same role as Aponte. I don't even know who was the person who was in her position before her here in Miami. Aponte needs to get the **** out of here.
     
  22. Sceeto

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    I thought the problem with the power structure and turn off to some coaches was because of Ireland. I don't think the problem is necessarily with Aponte. I would think or hope that Ross is smart enough to know that he has to do what he can and not turn off a quality GM. I think after his interviews, he may change. I don't know. At this point, I just wouldn't read into things. These reports will probably change on a daily basis.
     
  23. MIASportsFan

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    Now that would have been a complete trainwreck
     
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  24. ToddPhin

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    I agree it was obvious, however they were still considered "candidates" or were "on our radar". I just think fans lay too much credence on that stuff.
     
  25. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I looks to me that he's saying if there is a woman involved - don't call us we'll call you.
     
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  26. Stringer Bell

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    When has he shown interest in a czar?

    In regards to Aponte, I don't think shes interested in being a GM. I think shes interested in being above a GM. She wants to be a czar. I don't think thats going to happen in Miami, because Ross isn't looking for a czar.
     
  27. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    We are going to be alright. Ross has got this.
     
  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Why have we decided Gaine is now the head scout? The director of college scouting is Chris Grier. The Director of Pro Personnel (Pro Scouting) is Anthony Hunt. Gaine has been the assistant to the GM. Under a new GM, if he stays, he won't have anymore power than he has now. The new GM whomever he may be, will be the one who combines all the information on personnel garnered through those sources under him, and combine it with his own ability to judge talent and make an informed decision on free agency and the draft. If anyone thinks when "new GM" decides he wants to draft "player A" that Aponte is going to overrule him by saying, "no, I want us to draft player B", then I think you are crazy.
     
  29. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    Jason Cole...lmao
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Fisher (not Fischer) wanted a share of control on personnel, not total autonomy. Ross said no, Ireland has final say on personnel alone, and it would remain that way.
     
  31. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    If you fall victim to writer rumors, and (often) agenda-driven leaks, then I feel sorry for you. Let the process happen, then react. We have no idea what is going on, and neither does Cole.
     
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  32. Sumlit

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    If that's the case, then that's a hell of a lot more disturbing that having an issue with the power structure. I hope that's not it, but it is a possibility.
     
  33. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    It really doesn't matter how us fans digest the information. It matters how the league reacts. And if these sources are real - then there are at least some NFL teams who are advising potential applicants to not take the job due to the power structure in Miami. Sure, there may be an agenda. All that matters is the end results. If Miami doesn't get a quality GM then we will have to seriously question Ross's process. But I agree we need to let this play out before reacting. But I don't think anyone here can blame anyone for being concerned given the reports and the history.
     
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  34. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Whomever we hire, Ross is gonna say was the best candidate. Those who do not agree, are going to say the actual best candidate did not take the job because of the power structure.
     
  35. MIASportsFan

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    Not concerned. We are getting quality candidates in for interviews. It's the GM of an NFL franchise, there will be a high level of interest.
     
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  36. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Hoping Ross hires Aponte for GM.
     
  37. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I hope you're being sarcastic. She has exactly 0 qualifications as far as talent evaluation.
     
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  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That is a troll like comment.
     
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  39. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    IMO He is a cleverly disguised troll.
     
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  40. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Not a very good disguise....
     
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