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Sports Buzz: draft options

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Jan 12, 2014.

  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Several defensive ends could be in Miami’s range, but that’s already a position of strength, with Cameron Wake, Olivier Vernon and Dion Jordan, who could play outside linebacker but is viewed as more of an end by this staff. Defensive ends projected for Miami’s draft range include Notre Dame’s Stephon Tuitt (“combination of elite quickness and great size,” Kiper said) and Missouri’s Kony Ealy (eight sacks).

    Offensive tackle: Many expect Michigan left tackle Taylor Lewan (rated 10th by McShay, 11th by Kiper) to be gone by 19. Two tackles who could be there: Alabama’s Cyrus Kouandjio and Virginia’s Morgan Moses. But Kouandjio “has been dogged by inconsistency and in particular has been beaten by speed too often,” said Kiper, who rates him 23rd.

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  2. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    I think albert has to be our top priority just cause we are so limited on draft day without a lt.
     
  3. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Yeah, it sure would take the pressure off. I'm guessing Albert, Monroe or Collins for starters. Any RT and OG help would be more than welcome, too. Except for Pouncey the cupboard is bare. That's what you get for drafting like crap and losing Jake Long in free agency.
     
  4. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    It most certainly is not. Where was the pass rush the last two games? We all love Wake but he is a feast or famine DE. Plus he'll be 32yrs old eighteen days from now. At ORE Jordan seemed more comfortable rushing from the left DE spot so maybe he can eventually replace Cam. Vernon is an effort guy and that's great but he doesn't dominate. We NEED that alpha RDE.

    I like Moses but he hasn't been a LT for long.
     
  5. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think if we were picking in the top 5 or so then a DE is a good move but where we are picking the value is probably better on the Oline, LB, TE or Safety/CB. Stud alpha DEs don't drop that far. But hey if ones there its not a bad idea. You can't have too many pass rushers, they can cover up a lack of talent in other areas on defense.
     
  6. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    I'm not advocating we select DE at 19 "no matter what." We basically need 4 starters on Oline so depending on what happens in FA, it'll probably be a safe bet T will be the pick.
     
  7. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Cameron Wake is fine. He had some injury problems, but if he isn;t the best player on the team he's close to it, and a terror of a pass rusher. Want some more pass rush? Move Dion Jordan to OLB where he belongs and draft DE James Gayle.

    I like Moses as well, as a RT. I think that I like Phinsational's guy better, La'el Collins. He moves well for a huge guy and he's more forceful as a run blocker, a true road grader. Moses is good, but I don't see that push off of the line as I do with Collins. Collins just seems to dominate more- again, I like Moses quite a bit, but I think that the ceiling is higher with Collins. Moses is a good run blocker, Collins is just better imo. But Collins hasn't declared for the draft, we'll see what happens.

    My initial impressions for Ogbuehi from Texas A&M were very strong, but he's staying in school. What's going to be interesting is Lewan vs. Kouandjio- Kouandjio can dominate, but Lewan is more well rounded- can Lewan play LT? There were questions about Kouanjio playing LT before the bowl game, and now... I'd still take him at #19 for RT and be done with it, or at least consider it an option. Lewan- I still think that "poor man's Jake Long" applies- could play LT, and he'd be a good RT imo, very nice combination of run and pass blocking. He's darned good, just not the niftiest of guys, good but not great feet. Far cry from Ogbuehi in that regard.

    Many don't like the idea of OL in the 1st round, but given our needs I'd be happy if we landed either Lewan or Kouandjio at #19. There's nothing wrong with drafting for need as long a value is there, and I think that either player would provide value at that slot.
     
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  8. Disgustipate

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    I think Stephon Tiutt is really the only guy who is likely to draw consideration at DE for Miami, they've got too many edge defenders. Tiutt can play that closed end position Odrick was playing, and I think you've got to look at him in the light of a Justin Smith or Calais Campbell as a potential interior player.
     
  9. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    I'm interested in DTs at this point at 19, whether it's Nix of Hageman who seem to be the guys mocked in our range.
     
  10. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I've been watching Moses and Kouandjio some this morning. There is a lot more film to go through.

    Some quick thoughts:

    1. I think Kouandjio is currently a little better when mirroring in pass protection.
    2. In both players, when they get their hands on the player in pass pro, it is over.
    3. Kouandjio does a very good job of transferring power from his lower body, through his hips, to his upper body. He can stone pass rushers with his hand punch.
    4. Both players have good athleticism, but I think they are lacking in hip, knee, and ankle flexibility right now. This may be something that can be developed.
     
  11. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I like both, but to me the question is do I want either one at LT? I'd be happy with either at RT, but then again I would have been very happy with Menelik Watson at RT from last year, and he could have been had in the 2nd rd before the Jordan trade.

    Koundjio at RT, with solid but not great pass pro and road grader run blocking to bolster our weak running attack, would be fine with me at #19. Might as well fix the OL after Jeff Ireland destroyed it through lousy draft picks and weak FA additions. His Cowboy reject OL plan was obviously not the solution.
     
  12. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I don't have an issue with either player in pass protection. I do see some issues when blocking at the second level.

    Honestly, a prospect that is probably better than both is Billy Turner from North Dakota State.
     
  13. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    If you're looking for a straight up LT he certainly has the feet and athleticism. It'll be interesting to see how he fares against tougher competition. Sean Hickey has good feet and quicks as well, but I wonder how he'll hold up on the LOS, I don't know if he's strong or stout enough. Besides Matthews and Robinson, the guy who stood out to me on film is Ogbuehi, but he's staying in school. I'm not a big fan of Erving from FSU, he didn't declare anyway.
     
  14. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Bring me Kelvin Benjamin, Ebron or Mike Evans at 19. You have two WR'S coming off knee injuries

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  15. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think you can draft a wide receiver high unless you've essentially made a decision to let Mike Wallace walk after 2014, when it becomes much easier to do so salary cap wise. I don't think you can draft a guy to fill an immediate, injury-based need, especially if the injuries aren't that dire.

    You've also got to consider that the Dolphins probably have to be a bit more judicious in terms of their passing game additions, as you're reaching a point now there are opportunity costs and snap allocations to worry about as you've got good weapons, and your OC choice will move the offense in a certain direction. A star player would be nice, but significantly less nice if you're unable to utilize a cheap, talented young player who is less of a star but still quality.
     
  16. ATLFINFAN

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    IF......value is there, as they say, I don't see how you can NOT take an OL. We need as much of a SURE THING as there is right now on the line. We have one guy, that would/ SHOULD make it two. We HAVE to get quality for our weakest position so there is less of a gamble to fill the other 3 spots. This is the foundation of the team, and our weakest link. I hope they quit playing around with 'projects' and get some quality in there.
     
  17. LBsFinest

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    At first I was going to disagree with you, but then I noticed the one thing all 3 of the guys you mentioned have in common is size, which is something I definitely think we need. if we can nab a LT and guard in free agency, I would be more inclined to take Ebron, I think some size with leaping ability down the seam is exactly what Tannehill needs. If we hire Gamble, his time in San Francisco they had 2 TE's in Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker, I think Ebron and Clay can be that for us
     
  18. RoninFin4

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    Tuitt is a good shout, I like him. I think you could consider Minnesota's Ra'shede Hageman for that role as well.
     
  19. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Size matters. And yes, that's what I was going for. A huge possession receiver was missed last year imo.

    I love Sammy Watkins too but there's no way he gets taken while Wallace is here

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  20. finsincebirth

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    I agree. In Wallace we have the guy with game breaking speed, but is a body catcher. Hartline is the best route runner and a wizard on the sidelines but losses all semblance of balance once he gets the ball. You throw on a big possession guy in that mix who can go up and out jump guys. Watch out cuz they offense will become scary.

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  21. PhinsFan93

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    Not disagreeing with any of the receivers, well except for Benjamin, but where exactly are these guys going to play? Is RMatthews gone? Is Binns gone? Is Gibson gone?

    Would welcome Ebron. He could push Egnew/Sims out and give us a solid trio of TE's.
     
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  22. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Agreed, I think that we need minimum 3 OTs, probably one in FA and two in the draft. And then there's the Guard position...

    Mckinnie is old, heavy, bad knee and a free agent. Clabo is substandard, overpaid and threatening retirement. Yeatman blew his knee out. Garner is adequate. Is there a worse unit in the NFL than our OL, and I mean any position? Our starting Guards are Brenner and Jerry, 'nuff said. No depth. Aside from Pouncey the OL is a disaster, it's that simple. I wish that we could dump Wheeler and Ellerbe now and send that money straight to fixing the OL. Just wait until next year when Tannehill gets seriously injured if we don't revamp the OL and protect him, that'll be the capper.
     
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  23. ToddPhin

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    Dominique Easley in the 3rd would be more appealing to me as a closed end option considering the draft pick involved.

    By the time the draft rolls around I could see Moses garnering 1st round attention as a potential RT solution.
     
  24. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Binns is gone. Gibson is not. Our wr corp, if hartline and gibson cone back fine, is very good. Wallace, hartline, gibson, mathews is a great set.

    Keller is gone tho, so theres no "trio". I dont think we need any tes either personally. This pick has to go to the trenches
     
  25. HardKoreXXX

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    You wouldn't take Benjamin/Evans over Gibson or Matthews?

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  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    There is no way he is available at #19 anyway.
     
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  27. LBsFinest

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    New GM dude...all these guys you named can be replaced by more talented players in the draft.
     
  28. MrClean

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    Jerry and Clabo are free agents too. Brenner looks like no more than a stopgap. This is a prime off season to get 4 new starters. Sign 2 free agents, like maybe Anthony Collins and Wade Smith. Draft two, like maybe Zack Martin and Billy Turner.
     
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  29. MrClean

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    We carried Binns on IR all year, and he is an Exclusive Rights FA in 2014, so if he is recovered from his knee injury, I think he'll at least get the chance to come into camp and compete for a spot.
     
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  30. djphinfan

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    As much as I'm a defensive dominant type guy, I think there are some critical variables in play that dictate what type of identity we should adopt to..and to me that's being a dominant offense..

    Rebuild the oline using the 2/2 philosophy..find two starters in free agency, get your one sure thing hi in the draft, and see if the new GM can do his job and find a sleeper in the draft..

    Get your first round Olineman, you need a hi amount of talent infused, and you can't take chances this year. With the amount of film you have on free agents you should be able to get your two starters there, then your first round pick should be plug and play..that's three staters right there.

    2nd round it comes down to best weapon on the board..tight end..running back...wide receiver..whichever one is the highest rated go for it.

    I think I've said this every year for a decade or more..we need a skilled explosive returner..
     
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