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Wow....How long do we have to go?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 2socks, Jan 12, 2014.

  1. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    Any team can win any one game. Just like we beat the Colts.
     
  2. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I keep on hearing about all the "talent" we have. What talent do we have at OL? RB? LB?

    What team has made the playoffs in recent history with one of the worst OL's in the NFL?

    Also, what can you do from a coaching standpoint when you have an inexperienced and inconsistent QB who is still developing and learning? When that QB is good, we beat teams like Indy, Cincy and NE. When he is bad we lose the last 2 games of the year(Rating 45.6 and 42.1).

    Hell, if RTH can learn to hit Wallce in stride even half of the time, we score 6-7 more TD's this season and likely are in the playoffs.
     
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  3. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    And KC

    New England

    San Diego
     
  4. Griese's Glasses

    Griese's Glasses Well-Known Member

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    Coaches.....
     
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  5. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How do you beat that New England team you saw beat the Colts without any talent?

    We have talent.

    We had a GM who didn't think the offensive line was a priority at the end of the preseason, and swapped good linebackers for worse ones instead.

    We had a stubborn, senile offensive coordinator who was a short step from brain dead.

    Had. Past tense.
     
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  6. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Well said.

    I'm amazed at how much people in the NFL and these forums overlook how important OL is. Brady has consistently had one of the best pass blocking OL's in the NFL and of course now they are very good at run blocking.

    How much more effective and confident would RTH be if he could trust his OL?

    What if defenses legitimately had to defend against the run and pass?

    What if our run game actually made play action passes effective?

    The answer is our offense would be very, very dangerous.

    We have some of the pieces in place. If RTH and Wallace can get on the same page and we improve in the areas I listed above, this offense could be one of the best in the NFL. We could actually score more than 7 points with the playoffs on the line the last 2 games of the season.
     
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  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    How the heck do you define "relatively new"? McDaniels has been the Patriots' OC for 5 seasons within the last decade, and was QB coach for a couple of years before that. He was with the Pats for 8 yrs before becoming Denver's head coach, and been back with them since 2011.
     
  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That's not necessarily true. New GMs come in nearly every season and draft well. Look at Ryan Grigson's first draft in Indy for example. You were saying earlier that the Dolphins wouldn't fire Ireland until after the Wells Report comes out and therefore a new GM wouldn't have time to prepare. That didn't happen. Can we at least let the new GM get hired and do his job for a few months without more of the continual woe is us posting day after day?
     
  9. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Yep and we were supposed to do that all in 1/2 season
     
  10. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Relatively new...since 2011 (2 seasons) with current roster
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    All teams have roster turnover. He is not new to the Pats scheme or way of doing things. Some of the players maybe, but that is the same with any team.
     
  12. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    The Dolphins did not Fire Ireland....He left

    Our GM leaving and our OC being fired is not a good situation in one season.

    If our coach was Don Shula or Bill Bellicheck I wouldn't be as concerned, but we have Joe Philbin

    Now we somehow have to buy into the fact that he is going to pull a miracle out of his *** by not only replacing his OC and working out all those idiosyncrasies before the season starts but having to build his roster and spoon feed the new GM all the info he needs on who - what - where; this is what I need to be successful next year.

    And we have potential cap issues to boot

    All this from a coach who couldn't manage to win one of 2 games to make the playoffs

    Sorry not buying in
     
  13. djphinfan

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    because he shows greatness in his game all the time...those int's?.. Dem growin pains..
     
  14. cuchulainn

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    3 total may be "growing pains"... but 7 INTS in 2 games? And they weren't forced errors by being hit and sacked and having constant pressure in his face, and only 1 was in garbage time. He killed their opportunity to win with poor decisions and trying to force the ball. Last year they again made the playoffs in the weak AFCS, and he had an INT and a fumble in that loss.

    I was rooting for them to beat the Pats, but you have to play smarter than that. Peyton Manning has always been criticized for being a "Dome" QB and playing poorly in the playoffs. So far, Luck has thrown more INTs in his first 3 playoff games than any other QB in history.

    9ers put Cam out today with him throwing 2 INTs, the second after they hit him and he started pouting. That kid is mentally weak. Can't believe we lost to them...
     
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  15. MrClean

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    He only had the choice of staying in a different role. He was essentially stripped of his powers as GM. Call it whatever you like. Being relieved of your duties means you were fired from that job, even if Ross offered him another one.

    Last year the Panthers replaced their GM and OC. Gettleman inherited Rivera as HC and it seemed to work pretty well
     
  16. finfansince72

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    True. The announcers were acting like the safety call was fortunate....for the Colts. They would have been much better off on the 2 yard line and a short distance for a TD.
     
  17. Maliki2

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    Love hearing how Ireland "wasn't fired"...he had no choice...leave on his own or be fired. Anyone that thinks differently is obviously a homer of his. Guy sucked from the time he got here until he left....he should have been fired way before this!
     
  18. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    And I hope the same happens here
     
  19. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    So you would have rather handed them 7 instead of 2

    Why?
     
  20. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    I think with New England the players buy into Belichick's system...here we don't even have a system
     
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  21. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    A - ha

    a man with insight
     
  22. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    What is a coach supposed to do when his starting QB has a passer rating of 45.6 and 42.1?

    The struggles of this team, outside of some poor decisions by our GM, has really been from the inconsistency of a QB who is still learning the game and the position. Philbin has to get better as well but teams that give up 58 sacks and turn the ball over 26 times don't make the playoffs. One problem is solved with a GM that can actually build a competent OL and the other is solved by having a franchise or even a good QB.
     
  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    After his first 3 seasons as a head coach, the great Bill Belichick was 20-28. Had you been a Browns fan back then, would you have been complaining the team didn't even have a system?
     
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  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Didn't you realize that when our young and still developing QB was missing wide open receivers throughout the Jets game that it was all Philbin's fault?
     
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  25. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Ok cool so we need a QB and offensive line
     
  26. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I would have fired Bellicheck

    yea I know
     
  27. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Com on know put blame where it is supposed to be:

    Jeffy
     
  28. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    It's not hard to buy into something that's a proven winner.
     
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  29. 77FinFan

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    I believe he had a losing record thru his first 5 seasons. Not even close to .500. Pete Caroll was run off for losing his first time in the league. I like Philbin and am glad he will be around for another season.
     
  30. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Maybe, just maybe he can beat .500 by the end of season 5

    I will be ecstatic
     
  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    In his 4th season the Browns went 11-5 and then won a playoff game before getting eliminated in the Divisional Round.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    36-44 in his five seasons with the Browns.
     
  33. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    fixed.
     
  34. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I forgot to hit the sarcasm key
     
  35. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    too funny
     
  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Tannehill had his best pass blocking of the season in the last game, and still laid an egg. Why would it be funny to say the brunt of the blame for his performance that day rests with him?
     
  37. Griese's Glasses

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    Tannehill had 2 or 3 really bad games. Everyone else on offense averaged like 8 to 11 terrible games and somehow we won 8.
     
  38. finfansince72

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    I'm saying the Colts would have been better off with the ball down there and a touchdown instead of the safety. I mean getting the ball back, scoring would have been nice but I'd rather have the ball on the 2 and 3/4 downs to get it in than 2 points.
     
  39. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Because there is more blame to go around then just Tanne. How about Turner. How about Sherman. How about Philbin. Isn't Philbin ultimately responsible for player development. If this team has under achieved that's on Philbin. If the players just suck - that's on Ireland. Either way singling out one guy isn't going to solve our problem, because each adjustment we try to make creates a whole other set of issues. For example bringing up to speed a new GM who is going to not only have to deal with the report coming out but try and draft us the best players available, resign those we want to keep and learn the players we do and don't have. All in a matter of a few months.

    What happens if the report comes out and we find out Philbin ordered a "Code Red".
     
  40. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Ok I got it
     

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