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GM's candidates questioning position: Farmer head of the pack

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 2socks, Jan 12, 2014.

  1. unifiedtheory

    unifiedtheory Sub Pending Luxury Box

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    I'd argue this team needs:

    4 starting offensive lineman (2 tackles and 2 guards), depth along the offensive line. A chain mover at running back. One (maybe two) starting defensive tackles, depth that can start at linebacker, maybe two starters in the secondary and depth in the secondary.

    The depth and talent on this team is not NEARLY as good as people around here want to believe. I think we are a long way away from being what we want to be. "Relevance" is a joke, I want championships.
     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Why shouldn't the executive vice president be a part of the interview process? Why shouldn't the executive vice president of the Miami Dolphins be on the same page as the coach and the owner? Why is this an issue at all?
     
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  3. 77FinFan

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    This doesn't make any sense to me. We are a win away from the playoffs, have beaten 4 of the teams in the playoffs, and you think we should clean house. Extreme.
     
  4. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    I sure hope we can stop this merry go round of a circus Ross should just hire a vice president like Dan Marino and let him hire and fire people and move this woman go get another job.
     
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  5. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Interference?

    Opinionated?

    Blue Dress?



    No seriously. I didn't right the article I just posted it.
     
  6. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Ross can block whoever or do whatever he wants..... He owns the football team. Remember.
     
  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He said LaConfora. That does not equal every single media source.
     
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  8. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    True but the type of candidates we are looking for is not going to put their neck on the line to have "some control" or work for a Danial Snyder/ Jerry Jones type of owner

    Unless of course they want someone they can "control" which if it were me I wouldn't want to be running my team.

    Leadership takes balls and or a certain amount of estrogen in our case
     
  9. The story as being told makes sense to me. I can understand why a potential GM would be concerned about the relationship between those 3. I would be concerned about being a 4th wheel and having my authority undermined. It has nothing to do with being confident in Philbin or Appontes abilities.

    There will be disagreements building a team and it would concern me if the fights were going to constantly be two vs one and if my one vote was constantly overridden. I would be concerned that if I accepted the job I would be setting myself up for failure and I would never convince another owner to offer me that position again. I would need to be assured that whatever problems I identified even if was Philbin or Aponte it would be given fair consideration if I suggested a change take place.

    Its not unreasonable to think the power structure in Miami is being viewed as a deterant to some of the potential candidates
     
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  10. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    What evidence do you have that Aponte is not suitable or qualified for the job she is doing here at this team? She's not some rook on work experience. There are 32 GM jobs, do you really think someone is gonna turn down an offer because of Aponte or Philbin? Really? Like really really? 32 jobs in the nfl, the GM turnover is really low. Turn this down and who knows where your face next fits. A good GM would take this job and prove their worth by delivering success inspite of the coach or vice president. They should have that ability anyway.
     
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  11. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    You are missing my point. It doesn't matter how you want to run the team. Ross owns this team and he'll exhaust the process until he finds his guy.
    There will be someone out there to fill the role. I'm not overly satisfied about GM total control is the best way anyhow.
    It's more about the person fitting the position. I said before it sounded like a puppet hire but they sure are getting quite the variation of candidates.
    Do you remember the Bill Parcell's disaster.
     
  12. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    This article, and the whole media slant on this search, is complete and utter garbage. I find it absolutely impossible to believe that in a room filled with Ross, Aponte and a GM candidate there is any confusion regarding the pecking order. I'm sure that is being discussed in every single interview.

    At this point you can say just about any insane nonsense you want and just claim the info came from "league sources".
     
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  13. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    which is why I would have maintained the status quo and gave them 1 more year.

    Seems as if Ross was considering it along with stripping Ireland of some of his power. Most likely due to the Aponte/Philbin alignment.

    Ireland wanting to control his destiny balked and they agreed he would leave under the circumstances

    I wanted all or none. I do not trust Philbin to get it done given what needs to be accomplished to be successful next year. Maybe hiring and bringing up to speed just OC. But not OC and GM

    A lot of input from Philbin is going to be required to move forward. Most of his time will be spent getting the new OC up to speed or we will regress. Also my consideration is Brian Gaine being the assistant. No - one can argue he is a Ireland protege. He will also have a lot of input in who gets drafted, contracts, player retention, etc. So if the New GM has limited authority and time to properly prepare for the up coming draft we are at a disadvantage. If we regress is Philbin gone? If the answer is yes, why prolong the inevitable.

    For the good of the team start over and move forward. Great GM and big name coach and Coordinators. This is Ross's chance to finally right the ship. Not sure why the hesitation and the spitting and sputtering.
     
  14. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Are they going to find someone

    yes they will

    will it be who is good for this team or who they really want?

    TBD

    I have no evidence Aponte is not qualified for the job she is doing. Never suggested it. What I did suggest was summed up perfectly by Shula Guy in above post
     
  15. bigbry

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    Huh?
     
  16. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Yes I remember Parcells and precisely why I do not want Ross hiring a puppet

    Haven't we learned from the first mistake

    We need football people to run THE football team

    If it includes Aponte great. She's done a great job so far

    The GM will want control of his or her destiny. When Ross and Co find out they won't get who they want, they will settle.

    As soon as they settle we go back 2 more steps.
     
  17. Jimmy James

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    This is a large part of why I think though it's unconventional letting the GM have a lot of say in filling the OC position would have been a good way to build trust/confidence because he could use that type of input to bring in a credible interim coach.

    In the end, most of the people interviewed will jump at the job if it it's offered. A lot of non-GM front office people never get the call. Few would pass it up.
     
  18. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    The only people who have turned the Dolphins down so far are the ones who are GMs-in-waiting for their current team and are essentially already guaranteed a GM position in the future. The rest of the large pool of candidates are all very interested in the job. It has been reported, just as frequently as all this troublesome stuff, that the Dolphins GM position is one the is highly coveted. They have a talented pool of good talent to choose from, and they're going to get the one they want the most, whoever that turns out to be.
     
  19. Jimmy James

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    To put a finer point on it, if Tampa and Miami want the same person, Miami is very likely to get that person unless Ross just won't pay the going salary.
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Because regression is not inevitable
     
  21. finfansince72

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    I tend to agree, we have a lot of big free agents too. When you have to replace most if not all of the Oline that means we have to spend draft picks and free agent money/salary cap space there AND then we have to sign our own guys, add other pieces, etc. Its easy to say we are close because if we had won another game we would be in but if we don't get our Oline set we could certainly regress. Our situation isn't THAT bad but I think the main issue is that we have these major holes AND a GM HAS to win NOW. Getting into a situation where you have 2-4 years to build a team is hard but it might be preferable to a team that has major holes and you have ONE season to make the playoffs or the fan base will want you gone. Our situation is tough to sell I think.
     
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  22. If a GM does not think he can win with this team I don't want him as a GM
     
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  23. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I just don't think Philbin will fill the OC position with anyone that could possibly compete for or be promoted to his position later. It is why I pause at allowing him the opportunity to hire that person again given the fact that he is aware he is on shaky ground. Does it get us the best hire allowing Philbin to do so?
     
  24. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Yep. I want a gm who looks at this team and says "I can make them a contender in less than two years. Tannehills got it all, just needs a line in front of him. I can do that"
     
  25. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I don't know if Marino is qualified for that position but I think Omar Khan is. Wouldn't it be crazy if this GM search lands a czar and a GM? Khan as Director of Football Operations and the best of the talent evaluators as the GM. That would certainly open the door for Cowher if Philbin doesn't succeed.
     
  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If he is on shaky ground, it is in his best interests to surround himself with the best coaches. Hiring his staff is written into his contract. The only way he doesn't is fire him. I know you would like that, but it's not going to happen this off season.
     
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  27. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Who should he fill vacancies with?
     
  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    According to you, he shouldn't hire anyone good enough to ever be head coach. That is ridiculous to me.
     
  29. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I didn't say he shouldn't.

    I said he wouldn't

    See these are the types of things that happen when a coaches integrity is questioned because he has aligned himself with others in an effort to play office politics

    it's called self preservation. If he's done it once he will do it again.

    that is not in the best interest of this ball club which is why I want him eradicated

    It's a disease that once grab's hold is hard to get rid of
     
  30. Unlucky 13

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    Isn't that a bit like a guy who hasn't had a date in a few years declaring that he'll only go out with a supermodel? I want the team to build themselves back into something, and get to the point where they have a good shot for a number of years. No black and white. Just get to where they're in the mix a lot of the time. Anything can happen once you get to the divisional round of the playoffs.
     
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  31. GMJohnson

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    Do you think Philbin was influenced by anyone above him concerning what to do about Sherman?
     
  32. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Pretty much league standard that HC's get to hire their coaches, right? I do not see Philbin as some wilting flower who is afraid to hire a good coach because he fears for his job.
    I agree. He wants to win. He wants to hire competent coaches. I like Philbin.
     
  33. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    The article is likely BS'ing. Where is he getting this information from? From Ross? From Garfinkle? From the candidates? Pretty sure the media is making this up... All of those candidates are dying for a GM job. It's a huge pay raise and they know that if Philbin fails in 2014, he's gone and they will be in the process of a head coaching search.
     
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  34. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Who are the people that matter who questioned Philbin's integrity? Was he playing office politics or did he find out that Ireland was stabbing him in the back and found Aponte to be more trustworthy?
    You say Philbin has an integrity problem. Jeff Darlington said he is well respected throughout the league. Who should I listen to? 2 socks or Darlington? Seems a pretty obvious answer.
     
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  35. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    There's only 32 GM jobs and 32 assistant GM jobs, reason why we're interviewing so many candidates is because there's so many candidates out there that have been waiting for a job to open up. They pray everyday that some team fires their GM, they pray that the NFL expands and adds more teams. Trust me Ross is telling them that if Philbin fails next year they will be part of the process of finding a new head coach.

    I forgot who said it before I know it was in sports though something like "who are these sources, I am the source". What that means is, unless these people are in the conference table with Ross and the candidates, then these "sources" are bull****. Believe half of what you read.
     
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  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    To say as much would amount to pure speculation. It is possible. There is no evidence to support it though. I see no reason to operate under the assumption that it happened that way. Philbin contractually decides on his staff. That is all I know for certain. We had an offense that basically spun it's wheels between 2012 and 2013 under Sherman's direction. Total yards went up by 23. Yards per play went up by .1. Points scored went up by 29, but that could have been because we did a better job of getting turnovers, going from -10 differential in 2012 to -2 in 2013. I am presuming the increase in takeaways could have given the offense more short fields.
     
  37. Conuficus

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    Or that a team would consider anyone for the GM role who hadn't asked about this. Being a GM takes some balls, and asking this question is required of any prospective candidate.
     
  38. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Neither? :wink2:
     
  39. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Mod Edit: Not appropriate.
     
  40. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Belichick: 6-10 & 7 & 9
    Gruden: 8-8 & 8-8
    Coughlin: 4-12 & 9-7
    Payton: 10-6 & 7-9
    Dungy: 6-10 & 10-6
    Landry: 0-11 & 4-9
    Knoll: 1-13 & 5-9
    Walsh: 2-14 & 6-10

    If Dolphin fans were in charge, these guys would have been fired after their first two years.
     

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