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Dan Patrick and Dan Fouts talk Dan Marino

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Da 'Fins, Jan 10, 2014.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    No one was saying he needed to play a different style.
     
  2. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Threw more INTs than TDs, 173 to 220 and comp percentage was a notch over 50%. Honestly he played in a different era and he deserves a lot of historic credit for making the game popular and his Superbowl victory. Honestly, any Qb that could win a Superbowl with the Jest deserves mention as an alltime great lol. He was one of those guys that was fun to watch and made a lot of highlight reel plays but his stats and overall career numbers are mediocre at best.
     
  3. MikeHoncho

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    was Dan Lebatard somehow involved as well?

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  4. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Style / thinking differntly about the game and how you approach, it's symantics and the result would have been the same.
     
  5. Fin D

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    I disagree.

    Studying isn't a play style. He could play the exact style he did and just be more prepared for anything the defense threw at him.

    The logical conclusion of what you're saying is that marino was perfect and studying is pointless.
     
  6. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    Here's the 2 that always stood out to me:
    1990 losing in the Divisional Round to Buffalo 44-34. They put up 34 in the rain and snow and cold in Buffalo. Miami rushed for 107 yards on 27 carries. Marino threw for 327 and 3 Tds. The defense sucked. I loved that team too. Just a little bit of defense and that team moves on to the AFC Title game and who knows what happens. That game sticks with me.
    1994 team losing on a stupid missed FG by Stoyanovich. Marino throws for 262 and 3 TDs. This time, Miami has 8 carries for 26 yards. The defense yields 262 yards passing and 202 yards on 40 carries. Just stupid.

    Miami in Buffalo had the offense to get by, but the D broke as usual. Marino did his part in the San Diego game, but as was all too common, the running game was pathetic and the D might have just stayed home. It's a classic case of Miami either drafting poorly and relying on Marino or them just being absolutely clueless about personnel and player evaluations. Should Marino have won at minimum one Super Bowl? Sure. Was it is his fault, maybe. And that's to the degree where I'm sure he wanted to win it on his arm, even though he knew he needed help. Montana won with his skills, a running game and a defense. Same with Aikman. And Elway later in his career. It's just an absolute shame that in 16 years there wasn't one person in that Miami regime that could piece together a team could throw, run and play defense.
     
  7. Coral Reefer

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    None of that is valid.
    Marino just didn't study film silly! :001_rolleyes:

    I have another one for you.

    Jets 51 Dolphins 45.

    Marino puts up almost 450 yards with 6 TD passes and loses!
    How does any team lose when their QB puts up those kinds of numbers?
    Our Defense made Ken Obrien look like a HOF QB that day and the Jets ran at will. Pathetic.

    I could go on with games like this as I'm sure you could because it was the constant battle he faced his entire career until his body failed him.
     
  8. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    That's what kills me about that Buffalo game. The offense was plenty balanced. Just the dumbass defense per usual sucked. That Jet game. Grrrr. Funny thinking of it now, having seen 1000's of throws, there's 2 that always stick out for me. The throw he made to Clayton in Chicago in 1991 in the snow. Clayton falls and is on his back on the ground and Marino still gets the ball to him for a completion. And that stupid game sealing pick 6 he threw against Indy where fat Steve Emtman picked him off and brought it back. Weird that of all the throws I've seen him make those 2 amaze and anger me. Haha.
     
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  9. 77FinFan

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    Wow, you guys are depressing me.
     
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  10. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I was referring to them as passers - not QBs.

    In terms of pure passing - there were no two who had a better motion and pass than those two. Namath's release was insanely good.

    Now, not top 50? Are you kidding? Namath's numbers, like most QBs of those days, were not great because of the way the game was played and the coaching, etc. But, he also called a great game - when Namath got reigned in by his coaches and teammates - he was the central reason the Jets pulled off the greatest upset in NFL history in the SB win.
     
  11. Da 'Fins

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    A changed it - I wasn't intending all-time QB - but "all time great throwers/passers" - it was in the context of the question to Fouts about passers.
     
  12. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Honest question: Where did you see he didn't study film, or not that much? I never heard that. Not saying it's not true, just that I've never heard it discussed.
     
  13. Fin D

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    It was widely reported back then that Marino's philosophy was nothing more than the throw it to the open guy and that he rarely studied film.
     
  14. Da 'Fins

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    Agreed. But, in defense of others, I did not communicate what I intended - I meant Namath is at the top of throwers. As a QB - he made mistakes with the INTs and got out of control at times. But, as a pure passer, he and Marino have the greatest motions and were very accurate.

    Namath's accuracy can't be measured in completion percentage. That's more a factor of a) the era in which they played - many of the greatest QBs threw under 50% in a lot of games because the short accuracy of the WCO was not in play at the time; and b) Namath was a major gun slinger who threw too many ill-advised passes.

    But, when Namath did control himself - he was a great QB. It was in the day of the QB calling plays on the field and Namath could call some great games and utilize the running game.

    Aside from any argument, Namath had one of the greatest games in history - in one of the greatest passing games in history (when weighed against their era) ever was Namath against Unitas in 1972. The Jets won 44-34. Namath was only 15-28 but those 15 completions went for 496 yards (33 yards per completion!) and 6 TDs. In that era of rare 300 yard games, that was just crazy. Unitas himself threw for 376 yards.

    300 yard games are so commonplace these days that 376 seems almost pedestrian. Which is a shame.
     
  15. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    It was "widely reported" because that came from Marino's mouth himself. When asked about how he attacks a defense, he said (paraphrasing), "I just throw it to whoever is open."

    He was definitely more sandlot than today's QBs - or many even in that day - but he clearly studied film. But, part of what hurt Dan (though he still was insanely good and had all the records when he retired) was his early success. The game came so easy for him in year two of his career - he probably grew a bit over-confident.

    The other thing that hurt Marino was the achilles injury. Sure, he came back and had some excellent seasons after that. But, it still hurt his throwing a bit and also contributed to shoulder issues late in his career.
     
  16. Two Tacos

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    Didn't see anyone answer this. Bernie Kosar, who was the back up qb at the time.

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  17. Fin D

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    Yes, it was answered.
     

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