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Five Reasons To Still Believe In Jamar Taylor

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phoenician Fan, Jan 13, 2014.

  1. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    First of all: Everyone knows the kid had the year from hell with all the injury problems, getting a late start, missing most of camp, and so on and so on.

    Second of all: The kid is a great athlete with prototypical size.http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1681960/jamar-taylor

    Third: Position versatility and tackling ability. IMO, tackling ability and intelligence/leadership are greatly underrated qualities for corners to possess. Some people familiar with him believe he would make a good safety as well if need be.http://www.thehuddlereport.com/archive/2013profiles/Jamar.Taylor.htm

    Fourth: Taylor is a true man of faith, a real grown up, elite character guy. This interview is inspiring:http://prointerviews.org/2013/05/24/jamartaylor/

    Fifth: Having a functional red shirt year may end up benefitting his development in the long run. I don't like Coyles defense but he is one of the best secondary coaches and minds in the NFL.

    I am going to put some hope in this guy contributing next year.

    Really, check out that interview, it is worth it.
     
  2. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I hope you are right man.
     
  3. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think number one should be it's ridiculous to write off a draft pick because of limited rookie contribution. That isn't super rare.
     
  4. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, it wd be great for him to have a good second year. Man, if he could be starter that would really help us out.
     
  5. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    With this it is I believe it until I see it.....
     
  6. MIASportsFan

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    Really hope so. Can never have too many talented DB's and with the players we have that are going into free agency, we need the corner depth.
     
  7. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    Outside of QB, corner is - perhaps - the hardest position to adapt to when coming from college to the NFL. The jump in athletes you cover on a regular basis, and the QBs trying to pick you apart compared to college (in most college games) is tremendous. Even relatively bad QBs like - say - Chad Henne, can pick you apart, and find your weakness on Sundays. On Saturdays, a lot of times, you are facing guys w/ weak arms, who can't read a defense. So giving up on a corner after one year honestly is absurd. It takes a good 2-3 years for these guys to really get their bearings. Look at Nolan Carroll. A good solid corner now, with still a little more upside yet to come, when he looked like hot garbage for a couple years.

    And then you throw in the fact that Taylor was essentially injured his entire rookie year - a red shirt like the original poster said. We have no idea what this kid can or can't do. Hopefully he's healthy next year and can compete from day 1 and show his stuff.

    Same for Will Davis to a lesser extent. I mean, even Revis took a good 2-3 years before he really hit his stride, and he was an elite prospect coming out of college.
     
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  8. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I agree with all your points except the fourth, I don't think being a man of faith increases character whatsoever.
     
  9. 77FinFan

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    I do. Not always. "Elite character" was also part of it.
     
  10. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Its fine. I'm just not religious in terms of organized religion, and I've given back more to the needy and such than 95% of the people I know who are into it.

    I always get slightly offended when people imply "being a man of faith" somehow makes you a better person. Some of the worst people I know are "men of faith" but I'd never make a broad assumption about them.

    You either have high character or you don't, and beliefs IMO have nothing to do with it.
     
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  11. djphinfan

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    No way I've given up on that eval..he'll be a good player imo.
     
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  12. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I think of him still as a rookie coming in.

    No one really knows if he'll be a poor man's Revis or another Jamar … Fletcher.

    You just can't predict. Haven't given up on him but I would not let Grimes go because of Taylor.
     
  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    With the defense we are running today Jamar Fletcher would fit in much better. Man did Wanny suck!

    I do not think of him as a rookie. He has a year experience of being a full time cornerback.
     
  14. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. There are just as many poor character people among people of faith as anywhere else. And just as many good character people who are and aren't people of faith.
     
  15. MikeHoncho

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    A man of character does not always a good football player make. Very little correlation in that regard.

    But you sold me on the red-shirt year.
     
  16. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Tons of catholic priests out there that are men of faith...

    Sorry.
     
  17. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    Then there are those that like to touch little boys.....

    I'm with Alex44 & others, I don't understand why "man of faith" or "a persons religion" has anything to do with a person being high character or not.
     
  18. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    This pisses me off when people crutch on that. Going to church or being a man of faith doesn't mean you are a great person and it certainly does not mean you are good at football or anything else. Jameis Winston was boasting about how God made it possible for Florida State to win that game against Auburn? Does that mean God is a Florida State fan? I really honestly wish people would leave religion out the conversation about peoples character makeup, and keep it in the church during their worshiping time. I live in the bible belt of the south, so stuff like this effects me on a daily basis. I've not gotten jobs because of my non denomination faith as they put it. Trust me, I've met plenty of wife beating, lying, cheating, philandering scumbags that go to church and boast about being a person of faith. F' outta here with that noise man....Jamar Taylor will either be a player for us or he wont. His religious beliefs have nothing to do with that in my opinion.
     
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  19. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I agree, it's almost an escape route for people to take in my opinion. Become a man of faith and boast of the good Lord and all will be forgiven about raping a woman Jameis Winston.
     
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  20. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Wow! That is a lot of HATE for one little phrase about a kid who has relied on his faith to overcome adversity.

    Didn't mean to start a God hating, christian bashing thread. Religion wasn't even mentioned. I don't recall anything about churches or religion being mentioned. I don't think pedophile priests really apply to this thread.

    I was actually just trying to speak more to his maturity level and ability to overcome and be a good leader. Ya know, team captain with great relationships with his coaches and teammates.

    As long as ya'll brought it up, I'm glad the kid loves God. I see that as a good thing.
     
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  21. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    You mentioned him being a man of faith as one of the reasons to believe that he will be a great player for us. Thats what we are talking about. Nobody is hating on religion or God, some of us are just calling out your reasoning as to why he'll be a good player. You are making it sound as if being a person of faith is actually a character quality and it simply is not. There are many good to great people and plenty of crappy people in this world faith or not.
     
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  22. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    You did say this

    Agree, had he worded different & not used "man of faith" with high character, I doubt some of us would be talking about it.

    With that said, I hope he does pan out for us. Would hate to waste another pick on a DB. I really don't like the fact Philbin doesn't like to give rookies a shot.
     
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  23. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Why are you acting like you've been victimized somehow? It isn't personal. We just brought up the fact there are other ways to say it.

    Its fine if think its a good thing. Noone is slamming your opinion, just saying it isn't the ONLY opinion.
     
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  24. Da 'Fins

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    Yes, Wanny did!

    What I mean by him as a rookie is his career is as unpredictable as a rookie - even if he has a year on the team. That said, I would not see him as having a year experience as a full-time CB because he didn't get in the games.
     
  25. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I think Jamar Taylor will be fine at cornerback for us. He had injuries to start off which is never a good thing. If him and Will Davis are both healthy to start next season I don't have doubts about their abilities. I have faith that they can get it done. I know Ireland drafted them but both to me looked like good players in college so I'm holding out that they can get somewhere with us in the NFL.
     
  26. Phoenician Fan

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    Ya, I agree that religion is worthless, but people who have a real living active faith are more likely to overcome adversity. I mentioned his faith amongst many other things as a reason to believe he will overcome the injuries and disappointment of this past year; which IS what the thread was about.

    Perhaps some people don't think his faith will help him. That's fine, but why all the vitriol?
     
  27. cuchulainn

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    Ever hear of Sean Smith and Vernon Davis? lol... JK. Hopefully both JTaylor and WDavis end up being better players than both of those guys. Was disappointing to get so little back in return from our rookie class. At least Carroll and Wilson played fairly well under Coyles tutelage. Hopefully the LBs improve as well.
     
  28. Lee2000

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    I actually have a lot of hope for this group as a whole. I expect some of these guys to get much better, such as Sims and Jenkins. I think there will be an increase in snaps for most of the guys who played some time this year like Jordan and Sims.
     
  29. Two Tacos

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    What vitriol? If you're going to use a word like that you should be able to point it out. And, if you have any sort of proof of a correlation between faith and injury recovery I'd love to see it. If it's just your opinion, that's fine too. I don't have proof of there being no correlation, though that's my opinion.

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  30. rafael

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    Nobody expressed any vitriol. Nobody expressed any hate. The only over-reaction was calling any statements here vitriol or hate.
     
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  31. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I'd like to see some proof that somebody with an active faith (that is TRULY 100% followed, to the letter, no slipping up all week to just be forgiven come Sunday) is more likely to overcome adversity. Speaking for myself here, or course, and I'm not bashing religion, it does a fine enough job on its own.

    Saying that God allowed you to beat another person on a football field is far past ludicrous in my opinion. That's why it makes me sick to see all these f***ing athletes with their, "first of all I want to thank God," crap. So your God only works for you, not the other guy on the other team that also has the same faith? Wow.........

    But to keep it in context of the thread, I sincerely hope Jamar has a great, break-out year next year, it can only help the team immensely if he does. But you can bet your *** it won't be his God out there making the plays...it will be him and his ability.
     
  32. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    You should work for the Obama administration.
     
  33. unifiedtheory

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    I'm not a Moderator, but keep religion OUT of this argument. It has no place on this section of this board, ever.
     
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  34. Phoenician Fan

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    I thought we had come to some kind of consensus that this discussion wasn't about religion or church or pedophile priests, but about how a young athlete deals with adversity.

    I have more reason to believe that Jamar Taylor is going to overcome his injury plagued 2013 because he has a mind set that led him out of the gangster lifestyle he grew up around.

    I agree with PhinFan 1968 that it won't be, Angels In The Outfield,when Jamar hits the field next year, but if it were not for his faith and believing attitudes he may have followed his kin into the gangster lifestyle and be dead or in prison or off trafficking crack and meth somewhere instead of playing pro football.

    The kid had a year from hell. Have you guys forgotten the kidney issues that caused his draft stock to plummet? Then the sports hernia surgery that didn't go well and took longer to heal than expected? Then the hamstring and other nagging injuries keeping him inactive half the year?

    The thread is about reasons to believe that Jamar Taylor is going to be a strong contributor to the Dolphins in ensuing years. His faith and positive believing attitudes influence my belief in his ability to overcome the trauma and disappointment of this last year and go forward and become a quality starting CB for the Dolphins in the future.

    Now where do you get off telling us we can't consider how a player thinks and acts as part of our assessment of that players value to the team?
     
  35. unifiedtheory

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    I'm anti-theist, I'm probably not the person to be having this argument.

    That said, discussing how a player thinks and acts is speculative, no one is in the players head. Religion was brought up as a reason for him "turning his life around", religion does not belong in this forum. There is a religion and faith forum. The fact faith was brought up led to an argument about said faith and religion in a football forum.

    Experience from being a member of this forum since 2007 and being a member of a previous board run by the founding members of this board for 5 years before that has taught me something. When religion is brought into a topic it usually takes away from the topic at hand. If it had not been brought up in the OP, this thread would have never even discussed the topic. It would have stayed on topic, Jamar Taylor.
     
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  36. Triggercut

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    Jesus said "blessed are you when you are persecuted for his name sake". It is an honor for a Christian to be ridiculed for proclaiming their trust in Christ, and a proving of those that ridicule.
     
  37. Phoenician Fan

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    Your posts are insidiously duplicitous. You go railing on about not having religion in this forum and then you start your post by proclaiming your own religion of antitheism.

    It's PREPOSTEROUS!

    Nobody cares what kind of,eist, you are. Again......the thread........is about reasons to believe, said player can comeback from an extremely difficult year and still become a high quality player for the Dolphins.

    How said player deals with trauma,adversity,setbacks, and every other horrible thing that happened to Jamar last year couldn't possibly, BE.........anymore applicable to this topic.

    Has his faith served him well in the past to deal with the crap storms of life? Yes, that's why I included the interview link in the thread, which is a common thing to do by the way.

    This was a very positive thread about a great kid who may yet become a star for us, and you guys HIJACKED it, and turned it into something ugly, and negative.

    God Bless Jamar Taylor......and I pray that God bless his FAITH and make it an even greater Faith.
     
  38. Two Tacos

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    No one is being persecuted. Just like no one is prothletising. It's a fair point to say that faith could help with recovery and rehab. It's also a fair point to disagree. The placebo effect is real. Mental attitude is hugely important when it comes to the work needed to rehab. That being said, having faith in and of it's self doesn't mean that he is working any harder. Which is what the OP seemed to suggest.


    I wish we could have discussions like this without the nonsense. You don't need to cite the bible and make this about your specific faith. You don't need to bring up nonsense about priests molesting children. Neither is relevant, and both turn this debate into something it shouldn't be.


    Maybe I'm asking too much of the internet. Can't we all just have adult conversation?

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  39. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Nuh uh
     
  40. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    You should work for the WWF.
     
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