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2013 O Line Rankings

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by anlgp, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. anlgp

    anlgp ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/2/

    Does anyone else figure if John Jerry isn't gone by after this off-season that they will be incredibly pissed off?

    I feel as if he's kept on the team based on potential and has been for his duration here.
     
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  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Key Line from it:

    Bad ****ing coaching.
     
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  3. ATLFINFAN

    ATLFINFAN Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think JJ is kept on the team because they can't find anyone better. It's certainly not because he is SOOO good.
     
  4. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    John Jerry isn't good, but he's not as bad as people want to try and make him out to be.
     
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  5. anlgp

    anlgp ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A

    I'm just saying it's time for an upgrade at RG
     
  6. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    Considering how quickly Tannehill released the ball most of the time (using PFF's own numbers), I think that might have inflated the PBE numbers. Just a thought.
     
  7. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    ^This
     
  8. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He was in the top 10, hardly #1 by a margin, or grossly outside of "normal". You can also identify bad blocking that would be subject to grading even if the ball is getting out quickly.

    Bad ****ing coaching. No interest in constraint plays, getting players in problematic match-ups help, changing up protection personnel. They telegraphed what they were doing, and it resulted in them running straight into buzzsaws at times(The season finale most notably)
     
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  9. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    While I take PFF's rankings with a grain of salt their results here did match my perceptions about the Dolphin's OL. I also thought they had Seattle ranked appropriately. For those who didn't click through the rankings Seattle was ranked at #26. That matches what I saw this season. Seattle's OL was even worse than Miami's this season. But their coaches did a much better job of moving Wilson around and they stuck with the run game. (Last I saw they had the second most rush attempts in the league). Perhaps even more importantly they didn't just try and over power defenses by running right at them. That would be foolish when your OL is struggling. What they did was use much more mis-direction to help their run game. So what was the difference between Seattle and Miami? Well Miami had a slightly better defense, but not by much. Miami had more offensive play makers and that wasn't even close. The same site had Tannehill rated as the 7th best QB. (I'm not sure where Wilson was ranked, but 7th is pretty high) The difference in this case was coaching. It wasn't Ireland or the talent base. Seattle's coaches did a better job of putting the players they had in a position to succeed. I'm a long time Philbin fan, but the truth is he did not do a great job game planning or adjusting the team's game plans last season. My hope is that Sherman was the main reason our offense seemed so unwilling to adapt. And that Philbin and whomever our new OC is do a better job in those areas this year.
     
  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Part of me believes (or wants to believe) that Philbin had a blind spot with Sherman. I think Philbin trusts Sherman completely even though the time for calling an offense has passed Sherman by. Considering how far they go back and how much Sherman has done for Philbin its not a hard leap to make that Philbin let Sherman go against Philbin's own better judgement.
     
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  11. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    That's how I feel. I don't think Sherman was a horrible coach or OC, but like the vast majority of coaches he doesn't really adjust to his players, but rather expects them to fit into what he wants to do. I know everybody wants to say that coaches should adjust to their players and in a perfect world they should, but most don't. Or at least they adjust in a very limited range. And in my experience as the coaches get older they adjust even less.
     
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  12. phinswolverinesrockets

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    these stats dont shock me. like i have been saying, 'talent isnt the issue.' we're as talented as most teams in the playoffs. better offensive scheming and playcalling could have offset some of the o line issues. our coaching was the weak link. sherman was the main culprit, but he sure as hell shouldnt have been the only one fired.
     
  13. Phoenician Fan

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    The Dolphins OL should be condemned. Where are the government inspectors when we need them?

    They lead the league in sacks given up and there was no run game, period. What more is there to say?

    What will piss me off is if they try to put a patch on here or there and expect it to work.

    They need to completely tear it down and start over with a new OC and a new OL coach and some high character players and everybody in the world can forget about Bullygate forever!
     
  14. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    OG Trai Turner from LSU declared, I'd love to get him onboard to replace either Jerry or Brenner. Aside from Pouncey the OL needs an overhaul.
     
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  15. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    Hit the nail on the head.

    The PFF ranking is a prime example of how statistics often hide the truth. The line should probably be ranked somewhere closer to 40th, as there are probably a handful of college teams with a better line than the Dolphins.
     
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  16. MIASportsFan

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    After watching Tannehill consistently get about .8 seconds to make a decision and the RB's get about 6 inches of running room, I have an extremely hard time believing that ranking. They can make the stats look however they want, the eye test showed you that the blocking was pathetic.
     
  17. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The time to pass numbers that people are citing also come from PFF.
     
  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'd say bad pocket awareness by Tannehill.
     
  19. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I watched a ton of Seattle games and their OL was clearly worse than ours. Any eye test has to consider the comparators.
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He is not quick enough to be a good zone blocker in the run game, but his pass blocking was fine this season. 2nd best on the team by far, after Pouncey. Jerry had a PBE of 97, which was 12th among guards. Pouncey had a 98.1, 8th among centers.
     
  21. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    Much easier to record time to pass numbers for a QB than it is to grade each individual lineman for every snap based on subjectively positive/negative plays and then come to a rankings determination based on those grades for an entire 5-man unit.
     
  22. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    Dolphins O-line consistently struggled to create and hold a pocket. They had trouble generating push and holding their blocks, so many times there just wasn't a pocket to step into.

    Also, plenty of sacks given this year came from poor blitz pickup and poor blocking by the running backs, which I might be wrong, but wouldn't necessarily show in these rankings.
     
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  23. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's part of why I think it's a bit nuanced than is really discussed. They didn't have the worst talent ever, they had a situation where they had a lot of mis-matched talent. Neither Incognito nor Jerry can hit certain run blocks worth a ****, but they were both pretty good in pass protection and had other strengths and consequently they stuck around. The problem is too many of those guys will torpedo your run scheme and the coaches didn't adjust at all.

    I think they need to avoid making these kind of exceptions moving forward, because if you end up with too many of them you're hurting yourself even if they're good place-holders in other areas.
     
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  24. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    good assessment.
     
  25. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    they better fire Turner & find a competent coach before trying to rebuild the line
     
  26. 77FinFan

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    I think this is important. I really want a 3 down back that can pick up the blitz. Crucial.
     
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  27. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    exactly. look at the buffalo game. tannehill sees the blitz, calls it out and literally no one even tries to pick it up. i forget which game it was it might have been the panthers, blitz comes the rb( i think it was miller) whiffs on the block tannehill gets drilled before he could step up and a deep ball thrown to wallace floats out of bounds.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They also run a lot of rollouts.

    I keep on reading how rollouts are used to protect the quarterback, like a negative for RG3, or cutting the field in half, however Russell Wilson runs a lot of rollouts and everyone talks about how great he is.

    I do not understand the inconsistency.

    Still, I wanted more rollouts last season as the line just wasn't good enough at times.

    I also wanted the quarterback to run more because that can slow down a pass rush.
     
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  29. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i wanted to see us run some competent screens as well.
     
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  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Bryant McKinnie says he's one of the best coaches he's ever been around. On a level with Art Kehoe.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Bryant McKinnie, another player who got worse as the season went along.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He looked about the same all along to me, but he is playing on a bad knee. His worst games were Carolina and @Buffalo. His best games were the two Jets games.
    I'd still take his word for it over that of a fan.
     
  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I'd still take results over that of a fan or a player.
     
  34. mlb1399

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    This also doesn't factor in the ineffectiveness of our RB's at picking up a blitz or making a block.
     
  35. Disgustipate

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    I don't think the runningbacks did a bad job overall. There was some rough patches, but the coaching staff did them no favors.

    They basically threw the backs out there and made it crystal clear they were going to be the ones doing blitz pick-up and let teams tee off on them. They made play-calls very predictable on down and distance, lined up in formations that eliminated the tight end as a possible pass blocker. There's only so many 5 and 5+runningback blocking outcomes, and it hurts you to be so predictable, especially when you don't really seem interested in constraint plays.

    To illustrate the point, of backs who played a certain % of snaps, Daniel Thomas pass blocked more frequently than anyone in the league(41.6% of snaps), and Lamar Miller 8th most(31.3%).
     
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  36. Unlucky 13

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    We all know that the line played like crap all season. They took turns in getting Tannehill killed. Early in the season it was Clabo and Jerry. Late it was whiffing on blitzes.

    Also, can anyone explain how a team can blitz us with DB's all game long and still cover all of our available recievers like glue? Seems someone should be open as a checkdown.
     
  37. GMJohnson

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    Not really. All things considered, habitually throwing the ball quickly doesn't really make it harder for defenses to sack the QB.
     
  38. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Hard to throw check downs when your backs are always staying in to block.

    DPate is right, for the most part the design of the offense didn't fit the personnel we had or the opponents we were facing.
     
  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So, you believe the main problem on the OL wasn't lack of talent, it was poor coaching? The right OL coach could turn this bunch into a top 5 unit?
     
  40. padre31

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    Goodness, how many failed quick screens did we see b/c the tackle simply could not get out to the edge to block?

    Personally I thought Brenner held up alright, as did Garner, thought Jerry was hot garbage and Clabo, thankfully, was on a 1 yr deal.

    Also did not like the job Pouncey did most of the year.

    That said, rebuild is in order, I'd keep Pouncey and Garner, meaning 4 starting jobs are up for grabs..I doubt McKinnie is resigned
     

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