Dolphins hire Eagles quarterback coach Bill Lazor as their new OC

2socks · Jan 15, 2014

LI phinfan said:

No mention of sunny weather vs. the cold?.....The palm trees vs Detroit's pollution? Or maybe a place he wanted to Coach with a HC he actually likes?
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Miami is a great place to live and raise a family.

vt_dolfan · Jan 15, 2014

2socks said:

What's he supposed to say? I jumped on this because the women in SOBE are hot as hell. Would gain my respect if he did.
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I dunno dude.. was just letting yall know what he said as I was listening to them interview him...yay gotta problem with the answer dont come to me about it.

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54Fins · Jan 15, 2014

In all honesty, I'm intrigued and excited to see what new blood can bring to the Offense.
He might not be proven so to speak, but he's not a retread in philosophy which is very refreshing.

My only rant is why a new GM was not put in place before this move.

ToddPhin · Jan 15, 2014

Dol-Fan Dupree said:

Not arguing that. I am more on the side that DeSean probably would have similar seasons up till now if not for injuries.

I think Riley Cooper is a better example. That guy was doing nothing much and last season he had a really good year.
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I can't agree with that. Jackson had more first downs this year [60] than his average number of receptions his first 5 years [55]. That's incredible. I agree he would've put up better stats previously but I can't see anything from his past that suggests being as efficiently productive as he was this year. It's one thing to say he would've been better, but it's another to say he'd have elite seasons. And BTW a statistician would look at Jackson's first five years, notice the drastic difference in year 6 production, and then rather than dismiss it as happenstance would likely be more concerned about the reason for variation. I'm guessing the first thing he'd ask is if there was a change in variables in 2013, and he would discover that answer is yes- a new coaching staff, or more specifically the addition of an offensive minded guru. From there I'm guessing he'd watch the film to see if it supports the addition of Kelly & Co, to which he'd notice how the offensive design and play-calling did an outstanding job of putting Jackson in a position to produce, including doing a fantastic job of getting him the ball in space [markedly better than year's past].

Dol-Fan Dupree · Jan 15, 2014

Ludacris said:

Jeremy Maclin was out for the entire season. They leaned on Desean Jackson more and his stats are little higher than usual. From watching the games however I think Desean did improve under Kellys offense.
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There is another variable.

ToddPhin · Jan 15, 2014

Ludacris said:

Jeremy Maclin was out for the entire season. They leaned on Desean Jackson more and his stats are little higher than usual. From watching the games however I think Desean did improve under Kellys offense.
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But his stats being higher have nothing to do with his catch percentage and first down percentage being significantly higher. Previously he was thought to be more of a vertical specialist, but now this year he suddenly catches 61% of his targets and converts a whopping 51% of his targets for first downs. If you told the entire Philly fan base last year that he'd be among the league leaders in first downs and first down percentage in 2013, they would've probably looked at you like you're crazy.

Ludacris · Jan 15, 2014

It's interesting that Lazor had gone from Joe Gibb's Air Coryel to Holmgren's WCO and it looks like he had some input in adding the vertical passing into Kelly's/Shurmur's WCO. He could be the answer to our deep ball problems.

Looking back the QBs he had coached in Washington and Seattle, like Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Seneca Wallace and Matt Hasselbeck there are some mixed results.

Ludacris · Jan 15, 2014

phinsational said:

But his stats being higher have nothing to do with his catch percentage and first down percentage being significantly higher. Previously he was thought to be more of a vertical specialist, but now this year he suddenly catches 61% of his targets and converts a whopping 51% of his targets for first downs. If you told the entire Philly fan base last year that he'd be among the league leaders in first downs and first down percentage in 2013, they would've probably looked at you like you're crazy.
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I think you ad Dupree to some degree are both right...ok?

rafael · Jan 15, 2014

PHINfromAFAR said:

When Nick Foles and the Eagles’ other signal-callers take a seat Tuesday morning inside the quarterbacks meeting room at the NovaCare Complex, they are handed a copy of Bill Lazor’s game report.

The document contains play-by-play grades broken down by category: accuracy, decision-making, pre-snap checks, footwork, carrying out fakes on run plays and so on. Some plays have questions next to them because even for a quarterbacks coach who knows the calls and has reviewed the coverages, there are times when he’s not sure exactly what happened.
“I question, ‘Why did you do it this way?’ ” Lazor said. “Because it’s not always just a clear-cut answer. So they have that in front of them as they start watching the game. We start at the beginning and we go through. We try to not only talk about what happened at the time but why. We have the notes that the quarterbacks take during the game – the backup quarterbacks take notes. …And so as we sit in the room now, you hope you treat it more like a laboratory setting where you can really go back and dissect.”
For Lazor, it’s usually the fourth time he’s looked at the film. After away games, like last week’s loss to the Vikings, the first viewing happens on the plane ride home. Lazor then takes part in a film session with the entire coaching staff back in Philadelphia. And he watches the tape a third time to pick out specific plays for training/teaching points later in the week.
Players get Mondays off, although Foles usually shows up to the team facility anyway to get a workout in and review the tape on his own. Tuesdays are for corrections. The players meet as a team in the morning and then split up into offensive and defensive meetings. Finally, Lazor sits down with just the quarterbacks.
The 41-year-old has seven years of NFL coaching experience. He was the Atlanta Falcons’ quality control coach in 2003. He spent 2004 to 2007 with the Washington Redskins, splitting time as an offensive assistant and then the quarterbacks coach. In 2008 and 2009, Lazor coached the Seattle Seahawks’ quarterbacks. And he spent three seasons as Virginia’s quarterbacks coach/offensive coordinator before joining Chip Kelly’s staff.
Throughout all of his stops, Lazor says there’s been one common theme to the weekly film reviews: they’re no fun for the quarterbacks.
“I’ve never been with a quarterback who enjoys Tuesday because when you get to in-season, now there’s one guy in the room who’s getting critiqued on every play,” Lazor said. “Not that he does something wrong on every play. But sometimes when you’re doing training camp and guys are sharing the reps and learning from each other, or preseason games, it spreads out. But even the most veteran guys I’ve ever dealt with, some squirm and some just accept it. They kind of get through it because there’s always a mistake here or there even on great games.”
For Foles, there have been a lot of great games this season. He leads the NFL in passer rating (117.0) and yards per attempt (9.02). Foles has 23 touchdowns and two interceptions. He’s completed 62 percent of his passes.
Lazor, however, is not interested in the numbers. There may be a play where Foles completes a pass that draws praise from the announcers and the fans in the stands. But the QBs coach may notice an issue with Foles’ mechanics.
“We spend just as much time on plays that were completions that maybe his footwork wasn’t just right,” Lazor explained. “We coach every play. It isn’t just a completion or incompletions. It’s, ‘Did I do it exactly right?’ ”
Added Foles: “It’s one of those things where you close the door and you try to get better. There’s gonna be things to work on. Coach Lazor’s gonna try to point out the stuff that we did well and he’s gonna point out the stuff that we need to work on. That’s what a coach does. And he’s very detail-oriented with what he does. So I always get a lot out of the film sessions.”
Lazor and Kelly know they don’t have to worry about Foles responding poorly to criticism. A day after he threw for 428 yards and posted a passer rating of 103.5, Kelly described the QB’s play as inconsistent. Foles later agreed with the head coach’s assessment and said he didn’t make enough plays even though the offense scored 30 points.
“Nick’s a guy that his feelings aren’t gonna get hurt if he feels like a coach is saying, ‘You’re not getting it done,’ ” said center Jason Kelce. “He’ll welcome that and then be able to say, ‘What can I do better to correct these things?’ You can’t have a guy who’s always just saying, ‘Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.’ You’ve also gotta have that little thing in your head that’s like, ‘Well, why? That doesn’t necessarily make sense.’ And I think he’s got that too. He’s very coachable and also gonna make the coach explain it to him if he needs to.”
Added Lazor: “I think Nick does a great job of being critical of himself. He spends time when he’s watching the video of really critiquing how he did things, along with why.”
While the larger corrections session takes place on Tuesday, the Eagles (like every other NFL team) try to make adjustments in-game. Backup quarterbacks are tasked with taking notes: plays, coverages, things they see that can be helpful when Foles returns to the sidelines. That’s why when TV cameras show the offense in between possessions, Foles, Lazor and the backup QBs are almost always looking at pictures.
“It’s really important that a quarterback can come to the sideline and tell you what he saw,” Lazor said. “And so we work really hard on the sideline on gameday with the backup quarterbacks of getting in that groove with the pictures. …We just try to get through a lot of it there so that the better we do on the sideline Sunday, the less we have to go over probably Tuesday.”
Everything is done with an eye on the future. For example, if Lazor notices a single-high safety who’s playing shallow, during Tuesday’s session he and Foles will talk about how to attack a similar look in the next game.
If Michael Vick, Matt Barkley or G.J. Kinne have suggestions or feedback, they are encouraged to chime in as well.
“One of the important things for me in that room when it’s just the quarterbacks in there is to have a very open dialogue with them,” Lazor said. “I want them to feel comfortable speaking their minds. And they may not agree with everything that I say or we say as coaches. They may want to be able to discuss, ‘Hey can we think of it this way or do it differently?’ But if they don’t feel comfortable at least speaking their mind, then I don’t always know why they did things or what they were thinking.
“It’s a relationship that doesn’t happen right away. You have to build it over time. They have to trust me. If they tell me what they think and it’s different, I’ll work with him. And sometimes I take their suggestions to Chip and Pat [Shurmur]. Sometimes I say, ‘No, that’s not what we’re doing.’ ”
The Eagles are guaranteed two more Tuesday review sessions. Their ability to correct mistakes during the week and execute on Sunday will determine whether the laboratory stays open in January when the postseason begins.

source: http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2013/12/20/matchup-eagles-vs-bears/
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My guess is that RT would thrive in that environment since he's reportedly a film rat. While at TAMU I thought RT made exceptional strides in terms of his mechanics and footwork, but my impression was that it didn't continue these last two seasons. It didn't seem like there was anybody on the coaching side that was focusing on the details. IMO that's something all players (except maybe Peyton Manning) need.

rafael · Jan 15, 2014

Philbinfan said:

No, you are being dishonest about the content of the posts, as I'm sure you are perfectly aware of. Don't care. What I do care about are the surreptitious attempts to control the content of what people post.

The posts in question remain on record and are right there in black and white for anyone who wants to review them. I don't have time to go back and quote them, and it won't be necessary because the matter will reemerge, and it won't have anything to do with anything I post.

I don't know, I guess maybe you didn't really read them in the first place. That might be worse.
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I'm guessing you didn't read them. Here is every post that mentions religion between your thread starter and your response that alleging there was a HATE, God Hating and Christian bashing.

I agree with all your points except the fourth, I don't think being a man of faith increases character whatsoever.

I do. Not always. "Elite character" was also part of it.

Its fine. I'm just not religious in terms of organized religion, and I've given back more to the needy and such than 95% of the people I know who are into it.

I always get slightly offended when people imply "being a man of faith" somehow makes you a better person. Some of the worst people I know are "men of faith" but I'd never make a broad assumption about them.

You either have high character or you don't, and beliefs IMO have nothing to do with it.

Agreed. There are just as many poor character people among people of faith as anywhere else. And just as many good character people who are and aren't people of faith.

A man of character does not always a good football player make. Very little correlation in that regard.

But you sold me on the red-shirt year.

Tons of catholic priests out there that are men of faith...

Sorry.

Then there are those that like to touch little boys.....

I'm with Alex44 & others, I don't understand why "man of faith" or "a persons religion" has anything to do with a person being high character or not.

This pisses me off when people crutch on that. Going to church or being a man of faith doesn't mean you are a great person and it certainly does not mean you are good at football or anything else. Jameis Winston was boasting about how God made it possible for Florida State to win that game against Auburn? Does that mean God is a Florida State fan? I really honestly wish people would leave religion out the conversation about peoples character makeup, and keep it in the church during their worshiping time. I live in the bible belt of the south, so stuff like this effects me on a daily basis. I've not gotten jobs because of my non denomination faith as they put it. Trust me, I've met plenty of wife beating, lying, cheating, philandering scumbags that go to church and boast about being a person of faith. F' outta here with that noise man....Jamar Taylor will either be a player for us or he wont. His religious beliefs have nothing to do with that in my opinion.

I agree, it's almost an escape route for people to take in my opinion. Become a man of faith and boast of the good Lord and all will be forgiven about raping a woman Jameis Winston.

None of those qualify for your over reaction. None of those are more than someone saying they disagree with your opinion and/or pointing to examples of people of faith who have shown poor character. Your claim that I am being dishonest has zero merit. You are claiming insult where none occurred. You over reacted and everybody can see it there in black and white. Just let it go.

Vertical Limit · Jan 15, 2014

I like it. Glad it wasn't Shanahan, would have liked Kubiak more but this is an underrated hire. Lazor was very hands on to the development of Foles so I hope he does the same for Tannehill.

vt_dolfan · Jan 15, 2014

If you want to discuss religion...there's a forum for that. Please dont bring religion or politics into football talk. No good can come of it.

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54Fins · Jan 15, 2014

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rafael · Jan 15, 2014

Vertical Limit said:

I like it. Glad it wasn't Shanahan, would have liked Kubiak more but this is an underrated hire. Lazor was very hands on to the development of Foles so I hope he does the same for Tannehill.
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As I mentioned in another thread and when the search started, Lazor was my top choice. Didn't care much for Shanahan. I think Kubiak would have been acceptable, but I didn't think he would bring as many new ideas as Lazor.

Sippi · Jan 15, 2014

I see this as a high risk/high reward hire. Lots of potential upside; lots of potential downside. Safer choices were out there but those choices probably don't bring the new fresh ideas that I believe Lazor will bring. The lack of no NFL OC experience scares me a bit but all awesome NFL OC's had someone hire them when they had none. This will be interesting to watch how it plays out.

Silverphin · Jan 15, 2014

Since we're making Lazor jokes....

[video=youtube;6EiBJPMIn8M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EiBJPMIn8M[/video]

invid · Jan 15, 2014

Finsiders interview:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/multim...in--More/90bf48c9-63b6-4493-978b-1eb03d1444d8

jaymoney · Jan 15, 2014

FinNasty said:

Yep. He has a teleconference on Miamidolphins.com...
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Ok thats good now we need new decent gm. And.. where is decent gm....i can't find em...

finwin · Jan 15, 2014

More on the job training at the Miami DOlphins, the place for on the job training for coaches. I'm not sure why so many of you are excited. Foles is an overly conservative QB if you've watched any of the Eagles games, you'll see he checks down more than Chad Henne.

invid · Jan 15, 2014

finwin said:

More on the job training at the Miami DOlphins, the place for on the job training for coaches. I'm not sure why so many of you are excited. Foles is an overly conservative QB if you've watched any of the Eagles games, you'll see he checks down more than Chad Henne.
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When your check down is the best back in the league, it's not a bad decision.

The Eagles, and I haven't done any research on this, probably completed more deep passes than we did last year (this year?).

FinNasty · Jan 15, 2014

finwin said:

More on the job training at the Miami DOlphins, the place for on the job training for coaches. I'm not sure why so many of you are excited. Foles is an overly conservative QB if you've watched any of the Eagles games, you'll see he checks down more than Chad Henne.
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Probably b/c we've had plenty of OCs as of late with "experience". Sherman, Henning, etc. Many, including myself, have wanted a young guy with fresh ideas and offensive concepts vs stale concepts and retread coaches.

I understand not bring entirely comfortable with an OC that doesn't have NFL OC experience. It's a valid concern. But, you'd have to agree that the OCs we've hired in the past that were plenty experienced weren't great for us either. So, I wouldn't say the experience factor will be what determines whether he will succeed or fail... since experience hasn't proven success for us.

Itsdahumidity · Jan 15, 2014

finwin said:

More on the job training at the Miami DOlphins, the place for on the job training for coaches. I'm not sure why so many of you are excited. Foles is an overly conservative QB if you've watched any of the Eagles games, you'll see he checks down more than Chad Henne.
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and GMs, and HCs and owners.

Griese's Glasses · Jan 15, 2014

Hellion · Jan 15, 2014

54Fins said:

In all honesty, I'm intrigued and excited to see what new blood can bring to the Offense.
He might not be proven so to speak, but he's not a retread in philosophy which is very refreshing.

My only rant is why a new GM was not put in place before this move.
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Not sure why hiring a GM prior to an OC is an issue?

VanDolPhan · Jan 15, 2014

finwin said:

More on the job training at the Miami DOlphins, the place for on the job training for coaches. I'm not sure why so many of you are excited. Foles is an overly conservative QB if you've watched any of the Eagles games, you'll see he checks down more than Chad Henne.
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VanDolPhan said:

We've done that several times before and it hasn't worked out for us with re-treads. Chan Gailey, Norv Turner, Scott Linehan, Randy Mueller, Don Capers, Dave Wannestedt, Bill Parcells, Mike Mularkey etc etc. None were ever 'the answer'.
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Still waiting on an answer to my question from folks who believe that because it certainly hasn't worked for us in the past.

ToddPhin · Jan 15, 2014

finwin said:

More on the job training at the Miami DOlphins, the place for on the job training for coaches. I'm not sure why so many of you are excited. Foles is an overly conservative QB if you've watched any of the Eagles games, you'll see he checks down more than Chad Henne.
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LOL, I like potato chips too.

Where you do get this stuff?
There's your post.... and then there's the truth.

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 250"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]% of throws
over 20 yards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Foles[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14.2%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Wilson[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]13.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Cutler[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Flacco[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Newton[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Rodgers[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Griffin[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Brees[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Brady[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Dalton[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Roethlisberger[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Palmer[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Kaepernick[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Eli[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Stafford[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Peyton[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Tannehill[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]'12 M. Ryan[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Rivers[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Romo[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Luck[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Smith[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Yup, Foles was overly conservative yet he led the NFL in the above category and in yards per attempt [9.1], 7th best of the past 25 years.

JonnyRadioPhin · Jan 15, 2014

phinsational said:

LOL, I like potato chips too.

Where you do get this stuff?
There's your post.... and then there's the truth.

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 250"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]% of throws
over 20 yards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Foles[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14.2%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Wilson[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]13.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Cutler[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Flacco[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Newton[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Rodgers[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Griffin[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Brees[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Brady[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Dalton[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Roethlisberger[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Palmer[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Kaepernick[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Eli[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Stafford[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Peyton[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Tannehill[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]'12 M. Ryan[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Rivers[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Romo[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Luck[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Smith[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Yup, Foles was overly conservative yet he led the NFL in the above category and in yards per attempt [9.1], 7th best of the past 25 years.
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Lmao Nice, owned him

Brasfin · Jan 15, 2014

http://www.miamidolphins.com/multim...in--More/90bf48c9-63b6-4493-978b-1eb03d1444d8

The Finsiders talk with Bill Lazor, don't know if this has already been posted. I really liked what he said about the offense and about Tannehill, looks to be a great hire.

GMJohnson · Jan 15, 2014

phinsational said:

LOL, I like potato chips too.

Where you do get this stuff?
There's your post.... and then there's the truth.

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 250"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]% of throws
over 20 yards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Foles[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14.2%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Wilson[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]13.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Cutler[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Flacco[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Newton[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Rodgers[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]11.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Griffin[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Brees[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10.0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Brady[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Dalton[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Roethlisberger[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Palmer[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Kaepernick[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Eli[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Stafford[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Peyton[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Tannehill[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]'12 M. Ryan[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Rivers[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Romo[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Luck[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Smith[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
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Yup, Foles was overly conservative yet he led the NFL in the above category and in yards per attempt [9.1], 7th best of the past 25 years.
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Yall gon learn not to make TP angry...

bigbry · Jan 15, 2014

Phins_Fan_87 said:

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That is so funny.

GMJohnson · Jan 15, 2014

For those who want to be negative you could talk about the unusual numberof terrible/bad defenses the Eagles faced this year. Skins, Boys and Giants = 6 games. Raiders, Bears, Vikings makes 9. Lions, Packers? Broncos, Chargers?

16 games isn't a good sample size to begin with. Let's see what happens in games 17-32.

finwin · Jan 15, 2014

invid said:

When your check down is the best back in the league, it's not a bad decision.

The Eagles, and I haven't done any research on this, probably completed more deep passes than we did last year (this year?).
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The Philadelphia passing offense has consistently finished around the 10th ranked and we've consistently finished below the 20th ranked. As OC of the Vir Cavs 2010-2012 his total offenses also finished in the top 3rd of NCAA teams. I don't even want to mention rushing offense because of the disparity of talent between us and the Eagles - finished 1st in rushing yards last year.

finwin · Jan 15, 2014

phinsational said:

LOL, I like potato chips too.

Where you do get this stuff?
There's your post.... and then there's the truth.

Yup, Foles was overly conservative yet he led the NFL in the above category and in yards per attempt [9.1], 7th best of the past 25 years.
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There's truth, lies, and statistics which you can make say anything you want. Is there anyway you can get the YAC on Foles and see what your statistics actually prove? His net YPA is lower than Tannehills I'll bet. Where does PFF rank Foles?

MrClean · Jan 15, 2014

lmeister3 said:

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If you are insinuating Henning was worse as an OC in Miami than Sherman was, you would be incorrect. Results wise, Sherman was worse. Henning's results in 2008 and 2009 were better than what Sherman did. Heck, even Brian Daboll in 2011 had better results than Sherman.

smahtaz · Jan 15, 2014

If the Dolphins replace Sherman and Ireland with Lazor and Xanders or Licht I'm good.

JCowScot · Jan 15, 2014

GMJohnson said:

For those who want to be negative you could talk about the unusual numberof terrible/bad defenses the Eagles faced this year. Skins, Boys and Giants = 6 games. Raiders, Bears, Vikings makes 9. Lions, Packers? Broncos, Chargers?

16 games isn't a good sample size to begin with. Let's see what happens in games 17-32.
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Or, you could look at it like this- who else has had a season like Foles did their first season starting in a pro league?? (in other words- guys like Kurt Warner, Warren Moon and Doug Flutie don't count) The only one that comes to mind in the last 30 years is our own Danny boy. I agree that it would be too early to anoint him something special, but you can't exactly be hot garbage and waltz into the NFL and have a season like he did either.

ToddPhin · Jan 15, 2014

GMJohnson said:

Yall gon learn not to make TP angry...
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Rocky Raccoon · Jan 15, 2014

smahtaz said:

If the Dolphins replace Sherman and Ireland with Lazor and Xanders or Licht I'm good.
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This.

It would be a hell of a start to the offseason.

ToddPhin · Jan 15, 2014

finwin said:

There's truth, lies, and statistics which you can make say anything you want. Is there anyway you can get the YAC on Foles and see what your statistics actually prove? His net YPA is lower than Tannehills I'll bet. Where does PFF rank Foles?
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Foles' 7.88 net yard per attempt ranked 2nd behind Manning..... and 11th best of the past 25 years. Tannehill was 5.44 BTW.

There's no other way to interpret Foles leading the NFL in pass attempts over 20 yards other than he led the NFL in attempts over 20 yards, and ditto for ranking 2nd in net yards per attempt...... but feel free to continue arguing he's an extremely conservative check downer.

MrClean · Jan 15, 2014

rdhstlr23 said:

Alex Marvez is reporting Lazor comes while keeping all the offensive assistants, including Jim Turner...We are the poster child on how to ruin coaches, players, organizations, etc. Are we actually contemplating keeping a coach that allowed a record number of sacks and dealt with a national controversy?
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Do you have any suggestions on assistants that Lazor could have asked for to join him? Eagles don't have to let anyone go.

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