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Why the **** does the media continue to drag are name through the mud?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Jan 19, 2014.

  1. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    So, you think what we did happens all the time. But we can't do what all teams do b/c we have some media/public perception problem?

    What the media thinks makes no difference. If we aren't viewed negatively in league circles... b/c what we did is no different than most trades... then who cares?
     
  2. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    We can do what others do - of course

    But when it comes back to bite you in the *** then that was a choice that they made

    Can't cry over spilt milk.

    Yes it matters what others say about us. Right or wrong perceptions are formed everyday.

    And Perception is EVERYTHING.
     
  3. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    This team has been cursed since we fired Shula. Though we didn't get the job done after he drafted Marino, but that was more of Don being too loyal to his assistants and the game passing him passing him by with poor drafts.
     
  4. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Why would something bite us in the *** if all teams do it?

    As far as caring about media perception, and "perception is everything"... man we couldn't disagree more, lol. Media perception is meaningless... winning is everything. THATS what we need to improve upon... not our perception in the media.
     
  5. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Maybe because that's "are name?"
     
  6. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    When did we fire Don Shula?
     
  7. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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  8. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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  9. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    No, I think that he's above that, plus he's still Vice Chairman of the team. I'd bet that he gloats when Nick Saban loses, though, he can't stand that SOB after his son was kicked out of Alabama and Saban came in. Saban's obvioulsy a great coach, but I can't stand him either.
     
  10. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Jeff Ireland's legacy of dog **** lives on!!!
     
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  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Getting a player for something rather than the nothing he should have gotten? Yea, terrible job.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Just curious..

    Was Saban a joke?

    Was hiring Parcells a joke?
     
  13. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    actually no, at the time they were huge hires, because Huizenga had a much better reputation than Stephen Ross does, also Wayne was willing to do what it took to land the big name, if they wanted full power they got it, if they wanted to choose their own coach, fine, whatever it took. now obviously Saban and Parcells didn't work out but they were the top candidates at the time. Sure Ross wants a Cowher, Gruden, Fisher, Tom Gamble etc but he's never willing to make the franchise changing sacrifices to land them.
     
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  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    why do you think Saban, a great football coach, and Parcells, a great football mind, not only failed, but gave up?

    And you don't think Ross would give someone like Cowher full power if that's what he wanted?
     
  15. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    I know that eventually all fan forum debates degenerate into someone being called a troll but if you read this thread and try and put an outsiders hat on you would surely think some of this is trolling, some is paranoia, and very little is fact.
    If this franchise is so dysfunctional and so tarnished why do players keep coming here? Why does that keep happening? I'm so confused.
     
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  16. Da 'Fins

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    As it turns out, yes.

    Saban because he was not cut out to be a pro coach - he was smart but a big part of Saban is a) his recruiting; b) his ability to get young players to improve and believe they can dominate their opponent. He didn't have the same effect at Miami and recruiting didn't do anything for him at the pro level.

    Parcells turned out to be a joke as well because he was not a great personnel guy; and he hired a bad coach and a bad GM.
     
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  17. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    This is so ignorant.

    Tell you what, list the conditions that Cowher, Gruden & Gamble specifically asked for, and link proof they asked.
     
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  18. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Because they like to play football for money? Because the Dolphins pay more than arena football or the CFL? Because south Florida is a pretty nice place to live? Dysfunctional and tarnished or not, it's still a high paying NFL job. The question that you should be asking is whether or not we attract the BEST free agents, and maybe wonder about how many players, GM candidates, etc. pass on coming to south Florida, and why.
     
  19. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    money
     
  20. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Well-Known Member

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    Right. So if we agree that it's money then who gives a monkeys about a tarnished image. If that is the main concern then everything else is irrelevant. Who was the marquee free agent that we didn't pick last summer? Picking players is equal parts luck and skill. Plenty good free agents have gone on to fail miserably. The situation is not anywhere near as grim as some would like it be.
     
  21. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Can we also except that the severely negative stuff is coming from only a few sources: ex-GM Jeff Ireland, player agent David Canter and (I'm guessing) network analyst Heath Evans. Those sources are putting out their info through a small handful of guys in Armando, LaConfra & Florio. Their stuff has been referenced by other local and national guys.

    So basically we have the word of 3 people (with clear agendas) filtered through 3 reporters with questionable integrity that gets spread out over numerous other reporters so that it looks like we are dealing with a rampant problem. People read all this stuff and think "where there's smoke there's fire" and some many people are reporting it it must true and a huge problem.

    Meanwhile, we have interviewed 7 people for the GM job that "no one wants" and we hired one of the top OC prospects event though it was supposedly done deal he was going somewhere else.
     
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  22. MIASportsFan

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    Who cares about the media perception? The media perceived us as a trainwreck after the OL scandal. We went on to be 8-6 with prime position to make the playoffs. We have multiple candidates who have interviewed and are interested. We are a young and talented team with cap space. It's just on ownership to make the right decision now.
     
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  23. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    There are 32 teams out there as potential suitors. Did Jake Long go to the Rams just for the money? Why did he leave? is his exit indicative of other player's desire to go elsewhere pr not come here because of coaching and FO dysfunction?

    Sorry, but "well, players still come here to play so everything must be ok, the point is moot" kind of logic just doesn't cut it. Any NFL team can get players to play for them- if you don't think that there are more factors than that involved, in terms of getting the best free agents down here and retaining our best players- well, I just think that you're wrong.
     
  24. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Lol..Why in the world..would anyone continue to root for a team they obviously detest with such vigor? Ross isnt going anywhere. Philbin is going to be our coach. Why are you still here if its so bad? I just dont get it.

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  25. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Why dont the Pats have a tarnished image after cheating and having a vicious murderer as their star TE?

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  26. Desides

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    The Dolphins are presented as a train wreck because people around the league are telling their media contacts that we're a train wreck. That's how this franchise is perceived. It has little to do with going 8-6 and being in position to make the playoffs; it has everything to do with the fact that Martingate happened, that the Dolphins collapsed against the Bucs, Jets, and Bills, that the Davone Bess trade was super-scummy, that Jeff Ireland asked Dez Bryant if his mother was a prostitute, etc.

    The way to fix this reputation is to clear out the perceived bad elements (firing El Jeffe went a long way) and then winning with new elements while not being scummy.

    This isn't a media problem. The media doesn't just pick a target at random. They go by what their league contacts tell them.
     
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  27. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I see your argument but it is flawed.

    Flawed because of it's basis.

    The whole point is if bring in people who all they care about is money then this team will never improve and our image will continue to be tarnished.

    When the image is tarnished, teams do not attract the best candidates; either coaches or players. Example: Denver, New England, San Fran, Seattle. The players and coaches go there because they know the rep is good---of course they do, people talk. Another example is how often do you see guys posting stuff on here that they got from somewhere that is questionable, and somehow all of a sudden it becomes fact. I can think of 2 recent posts about Ireland and Shula being fired. Neither were fired, that is a fact. But, somehow it got there. I am not disputing the circumstances surrounding both leaving the Dolphins I am meerly using this as an example how truth gets twisted and people will believe things that are simply not true. Which is why I stated in other posts that perception is everything. So these teams infinitely increase there chances of going to the show because they are attractive as an organization. Players go there for less money just because they think they can get a ring. The same ring's true for coaches.

    If we want to win the super-bowl, then it is the responsibility of the Owner to improve the image of this team and do it in a hurry. If all we want to do is be competitive then we need to keep on the path we are on. I am pretty sure if we do continue down this path of just being competitive that many a people are going to be more and more frustrated. Hard to believe that this team could loose even more of it's fan base, but they are well on their way!
     
  28. unifiedtheory

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    We deserve it, honestly.

    When we start being well run, doing smart things and being relevant the media will find a new target. The media did not say a thing negative about us when we were winning. Hell, just get to consistently mediocre and the media will find someone else.
     
  29. Fin D

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    How bad do you think we are exactly?
     
  30. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    it is what it is: media bias & fan calculated (stupidity) hostility or indifference.
    a change of venue would greatly increase the clubs chance for success.
    the simple truth is Miami is an international city that speaks more Spanish than English. the majority of its residents are from somewhere else & so is its fan base. very few fans are actually native to Miami. consequently, there is much indifference & divided loyalties abound & at times hostility toward the club.
    the franchise is literally built on sand, there is no real/significant base from which to build it securely.
     
  31. MIASportsFan

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    Not disputing, just saying who cares? We are signing and re-signing talented players. They want to live in South Florida. The media has reported negatively on plenty of teams (UM in the prime years). The players don't care. We are getting multiple candidates from around the league in for GM interviews, they don't care

    Why is anyone concerned with the media perception?
     
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  32. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Being forced out of a job is basically the same thing as being fired. The GM or the Owner asking you to resign is same as saying you're not longer qualified to hold this job. We can argue on semantics, but it's practically the same thing.
     
  33. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    It matters because you miss out on some of the most talented players and coaches whose agents tell them to avoid Miami, due to perceived dysfunction of the franchise. Sure, we can still lure some talent in the league but why lower your chances by showing signs of incompetence and dysfunction?
     
  34. MIASportsFan

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    Who can we say we missed on because of the media perception? We are already making changes to improve organization, but I don't see the media as anything that is damaging the team in any real seriousness this offseason.
     
  35. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Also definitely part of it.

    I am, however not of the belief that this organization should be catering to the Latino population. This is an American game, played on American soil, in English. I have nothing against anyone of any ethnic decent. I just believe when in Rome...do as the Romans do.

    The Human psyche is an amazing thing. I claim no expertise in this area other then, most people like positive things because they are Dopamine junkies, we all are. So most people hate negativity and will ignore obvious, glaring deficiencies as a result. It also is partially what is happening to this franchise. There are so many different things wrong that it is almost impossible for the average person to be able to address them all. It is why the only way this Franchise will be fixed is to hire a "Football Czar" who will break down all the individual components and assign someone to oversee and report back to them their little piece. Sounds like the definition of HC to me, but I am just a fan in ATL.

    The next best thing is to rely on those "assigned" people to give the Czar the info needed. Info that must be accurate and as free from as much bias as possible. This is very very hard to do because everyone has an agenda and personal goals. Just see the front office power play if you need an example. Now comes the point that these people must be experienced most of the time. Not always but most of the time. There are varying sayings as to what I am referring to such as "Teacher knows best", "experience is the best teacher" and so on.

    Getting all these people to function as a unit and for the betterment of the "TEAM" must be achieved to guarantee success. Weather we are on that path or not is debatable. The only persons decision that matters is Mr Ross', unless he decides otherwise.

    Personally I have not been happy and I believe we could do a whole lot better. But, that is JMO.
     
  36. bigbry

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    So Mando among others now control the minds of players agents? control the minds of coaches?

    They sell "perceived dysfunction" and they swallow that load?

    Every team goes through dysfunction from time to time.

    We have change going on RIGHT NOW!!!! It will happen no matter what we as fans perceive.

    My suggestion is wait, then criticize if you do not like the changes that lead to success/failure.
     
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  37. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    At some point you have to get over the resigned vs. fired thing as it relates to Shula and Ireland. Being allowed to resign is a relatively common courtesy for high ranking officials- Don Shula was informed by Huizenga that Jimmy Johnson was going to take over his job. Huizenga let Shula resign to save face- that is a technicality, and no matter how you cut it Shula was shown the door.

    Ireland- that situation seems a little more vague, but apparently the bottom line is that Ireland was stripped of a lot of his power and basically had his balls clipped- it was either stay with that or resign, and he resigned. Either way, as per his previous pwer and responsibilities, he was shown the door. If you're force out you're forced out, Shula is the better example of this here. No offense, but it's a little naive to know that Shula was shown out the door and to cling to "but he quit, he didn't get fired!" That's nothing more than playing with semantics.
     
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  38. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    You can not say for sure Shula would have been fired. You are relying on an article from The Sun. Like every other article ever written it is one guys opinion.

    Fact is Don Shula retired.

    Ireland was given the option to STAY with the team. He CHOSE to leave. Hardly constitutes being fired.
     
  39. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I have no problem with it just the way it is.

    If it makes people feel better to twist the facts, twist away
     
  40. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    smart money would have either made a clean sweep of it altogether, hiring a new GM & having him hire his Head Coach or left the Philbin regime in tact for a third year. in a NFL of tremendous parity, stability & consistency are of primordial & utmost importance in franchise development.
    unfortunately (unwittingly?) we've done more to set the team up for failure than success.

    Brian Gaines would be the best possible fit for GM under current circumstances...
     
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