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Eliminating Extra Points

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Alan112, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. Alan112

    Alan112 Member

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    Goodell thinking about taking out extra point attempts.. Hate this guy even more
     
  2. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The extra point is not important enough that its continuation or removal should engender as strong an emotion as hate.
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I am fine with it
    They are a waste of time
     
  4. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    I don't care either way. I just wish Goodell would just leave it alone though.....constantly changing stuff is getting old, if it aint broke don't fix it.

    It changes kickers, point records, incentives etc.
     
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  5. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Normally I agree with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mantra, but extra points are basically automatic now. There's no point in having them.
     
  6. SICK

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    It changes record books, and could potentially effect kickers with point incentives in their contracts.
     
  7. Alan112

    Alan112 Member

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    Not so much about the extra point itself, but him trying to change the freakin game so much. We all love football the way it is, the way we've been watching it for years. So something like an extra point just feels like part of the game. So when you take out part of the game, it just sucks you know?

    And although rare, sometimes kickers do miss extra points and it could decide a game.
     
  8. Alan112

    Alan112 Member

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    Geez, 45 seconds to kick an extra point attempt is so valuable to you huh?
     
  9. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think they should look into changing it in some fashion. There's no reason to have multiple plays in the game where the outcome is essentially pre-defined.

    Move the line of scrimmage back or something at least.
     
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  10. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    It will not be easy for him to get this rule approved though so let him say ridiculous things. I'm guessing he will flirt the idea of removing punts too. In that case you might as well just say "we want to cut player salary for the owners can profit more". Removing the kicking game is removing tradition from the game, it's been part of the game for more than a century. The 2010 rule change was more than enough, most kickoffs are touchbacks. Leave it alone.
     
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  11. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    I think they should move it back.

    Someone also mentioned having the player who scored the TD kick it. That would be entertaining.
     
  12. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Yeah, I saw him interviewed by Eisen on NFLN last night. He said something like you get seven points for a TD (extra point already included), but can go for another point (8). But, if you don't get it, you lose the 7th point. WTF?! Stupidest thing I think I've ever heard.

    In the same interview they discussed the expansion of playoff teams, and how that would work. Goodell suggested playoff games played on Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday night. God Lord, can you say over-saturation?!

    They are slowly but surely ruining this game. And, it's all about that almighty dollar. :pity:
     
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  13. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

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    Lets just eliminate the kicker.And the punter too.
     
  14. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    There can never be over-saturation of football!
     
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  15. PHINfromAFAR

    PHINfromAFAR New Member

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    They are an absolute waste of time as they are right now.
    This past year the success rate on PATs was 99.6% Out of 1267 PATs 5 were missed. I am not sure if any of those were blocked or just outright missed.

    I think the best suggestion is to have the player who scored the TD have to kick their own PAT. Either that or move them back.
     
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  16. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    This would be...just...phenomenal. Imagine a DT having to do it after one of their 30 yard fumble returns
     
  17. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why not? The time it takes to kick the XP, they can fit at least one or two more commercials. No point going TD>XP>Commercial>Kick Off>Commercial>1st Down.

    Eliminate the wasted time and make more money commish. Why not? You can even say it is for player safety.
     
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Again, all well and good, but removing extra points causes...."hate", that just seems extreme.
     
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  19. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Put it on the 20 instead of the 2 if youre going to kick.
     
  20. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Perhaps. The bigger issue here is really competitive balance. Which they discussed in some detail. Meaning teams playing on short weeks vs. those not.

    Honestly, I just don't it happening. Pandora's box IMHO. But, WTF do I know?
     
  21. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I think they should kick it from the hashmark (left or right) instead of down the middle. It'll add a slight degree of difficulty. Extra points are missed from time to time... yes it's rare, but those misses can impact the game. I can recall a Dolphins game back in the 80's where one was missed at the end of the game and the victor won by one point. I forget who or what though because I'm getting old.
     
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  22. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    There was a big one where New Orleans eliminated themselves because they missed a PAT.
     
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  23. Makados10

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    Extra points may be boring but they're a big reason why 2 pt conversions are so exciting when a game comes down to one imo.
     
  24. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    If you eliminate the XP in my opinion it should be mandatory teams go for two from thr five yard line or something.
     
  25. MikeHoncho

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    Have them free kick from the 20 yard line on the sideline of the opposing team's bench.
     
  26. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Someone on the radio the other day brought up making the goalposts electronic so you can move them closer together, shrinking the room in between to make it more challenging. Thought that was a solid idea.
     
  27. Rocky Raccoon

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    :lol: I would think if the Dolphins lost a game in that fashion you'd never forget it.
     
  28. DePhinistr8

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    Eliminate the kick, and change the 2 point conversion. A successful run into the end zone is 1 point. A successful pass is 2.
     
  29. VManis

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    I'm not sure the point (pun intended) in doing away with the XP. Is there really anyone complaining, "Dammit they scored again now I have to sit through one of those boring XPs!!!" I can see tinkering with the rule to make it more challenging but its always been a part of the modern game so why change it? I bet this idea started when Brady had to hold for the XP try against Indy. Don't want Tommy boy ruining his nice manicure on an XP try.
     
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  30. MikeHoncho

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  31. MIASportsFan

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    How is that dumb? That is exactly how it is now, except they are just giving you the kicked point so we don't have to go through the motions of the kick. If you go for 2 now and get it, you get 8, If you don't you have 6.
     
  32. Ohio Fanatic

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    who really cares about kicking records? and contracts will be adjusted to accomodate the rule change (eventually)
     
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  33. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    45 seconds. The networks get millions from advertising in less time than that.
     
  34. Springveldt

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    I'd move it back to the 23 yard line, making it a 40 yard attempt. That isn't a gimme and would add some excitement.

    As others have noted, I think this is more financial than anything else. Just another way to squeeze in more commercials.
     
  35. MikeHoncho

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    I still wonder why the NFL hasn't gone to Soccer-style stadium advertising. If it can cut out some advertisements at home, why not? (self-answer: probably detrimental to the networks shelling out the TV contract dough)
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  36. rafael

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    I never really thought about it, but I do realize that I often fast forward through extra point attempts with my DVR when I'm a behind the live telecast (I usually try to be behind so I can fast forward through at least some of the commercials). So I can't say that getting rid of a play I so often avoid watching is such a horrible idea.
     
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  37. Disgustipate

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    They sort of already do in some cases. Sun Life does at least on their screens, but it's a bit different for Soccer because of the lack of play stoppage thing.
     
  38. Stringer Bell

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    It absolutely is broken though. The game is dangerous for those participating, and it is endangering the future of the sport. Youth participation in football is drastically declining. Its very likely the next generation will not view the game the same way past generations have.

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  39. MikeHoncho

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    True, the flow of soccer is completely different and broadcast angles aren't broad enough for that. Still, it would be a compromise I world be willing to make of it meant less commercial breaks during telecasts.

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  40. The G Man

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    Then, why stop there? Why not forgo the kickoff and just start the game on the 20 yard line and? And, instead of punting on fourth, we'll just advance the ball say, oh...45 yards, and the opposing team can start the next drive there? What about field goals? Are they too boring to watch now too? I man, why go through the motions? It's not like execution matters.

    Look, I'm a purist. So, I get a little uptight when those that are put in a position to preserve the sanctity of the game start talking nonsense like this. It may seem like a PAT is a given, or automatic, but it is not. As has been pointed out, plenty of games have been determined by a missed extra point. Or, put it this way...a game that ultimately that could've been won or tied had a PAT not been missed earlier in the game has come back to bite the team that missed it in the end.

    I'm guessing the level of concern over this matter is probably generational. Probably more of the younger fans would embrace some kid of a change similar to what our good commish is suggesting (records be damned). But, not me.
     

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