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Philbin wanted Albert last season

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  1. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    Andrew Abramson just tweeted that Philbin wanted to trade for Brandon Albert last year but Ireland wanted to keep Martin.

    If true I can see why there might have been tension between them. Didn't Philbin also want Incognito gone after the golf course incident?

    Maybe Ross has a reason to trust the guy afterall.
     
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  2. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    RT @AbramsonPBP: This is interesting: I'm told Philbin wanted to trade for Branden Albert last year but Ireland said Dolphins would be fine with Martin at LT

    lol what an idiot
     
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  3. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good. Didn't want to trade a 2nd for him.
     
  4. rtl1334

    rtl1334 New Member

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    The coaches knew what they had along the offensive line. They knew early that Martin couldn't play. I'm convinced that Albert was a target of the coaching staff but that Ireland wouldn't cough up more than a 3rd.

    Let's hope this can be revisited this offseason and we can secure at least one critical part of the offensive line.
     
  5. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    lol yea, that's the money round for Ireland.

    you're right tho, I'm glad we didn't trade for Albert, had we had him maybe Ireland's still the GM, so we definitely dodged a bullet there.
     
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  6. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Ireland was in a tough spot. Admit you built a shotty foundation or risk having the house collapse on you.

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  7. pmj

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    Let me guess, it's Ireland's fault that Bush/Marshall/Long/Dansby/Burnett are gone too? Philbin's got rid of a lot of talent too.
     
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  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yes.
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yeah, we couldn't have used the 8th best pass blocking LT in the league last season. :headwall:
     
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  10. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not denying he is a good LT. Just didn't feel comfortable trading a second round pick for him on top of extending him to a large deal.
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Ireland apparently agreed with you. He's been fired. Does that mean you should be fired as a Dolphins fan too? :shifty:
     
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  12. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't fault Ireland for not giving up a 2nd and a contract extension for Albert, but he played the game and lost. He wanted Long back, but Long left and by that time the tackle market had dried up. I'm glad Ireland's finally gone.
     
  13. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Who was ultimately responsible for the roster, Irelad or Philbin? That's right, Ireland. And he blew it, as usual, with this and the Martin/Albert thing. I'm no big Philbin fan, but chalk one up for him as well as per Albert vs. Martin and this is just another reason to crack a beer in celebration of Ireland finally getting his fat butt kicked out the door.
     
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  14. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    We are gonna need two tackles this off season..and they wont be cheap. I for one would have rather foregone all the crap we endured with Martin and taken Albert. Who knows what might have been

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  15. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Ireland was the GM, he always made the final call, and that power was pretty important to him seeing as how he turned down a raise that would strip him of those powers and decided to just leave. he didn't have to get rid of any of those guys just because Philbin asked, just like he didn't have to and refused to get rid of Incognito when Philbin wanted him gone, and he didn't have to acquire a guy just because Philbin wanted him, like Brandon Albert.
     
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  16. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    I agree but i'd like to see a mixture of FA and draft picks. I dont think picking 3-4 OL in the draft and hoping is the answer.
     
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  17. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Yeh..me neither. Not at tackles any ways

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  18. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    all the more reason to make sure we get him this offseason....
     
  19. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Martin was awful, he's a good example of how important balance is to an OT. Philbin was right on that one.
     
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  20. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I kind of disagree. The key factor is whether uou feel the player will be motivated after his pay day. I also feel like people slightly over value draft picks after the first round. Not to say they aren't valuable, but chances are good that pick won't turn out to be an Albert, so given the choice I'd trade it for the semiyoung proven player every time given the cap space won't kill my team long term.

    Actually if your fear was that he wouldn't stay motivated, I don't disagree because as fans we can't know that. Its somethingnonly insiders would know.
     
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  21. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Remember reading that in the 2012 draft Ireland had Martin and Cordy Glenn rated equal? Glenn went a pick before ours, but had he not been taken there is a 50/50 chance that given the choice of both that Ireland would have still taken Martin. Good riddance to him.
     
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  22. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I was PISSED when martin went to Buffalo the pick before, but yeah with the focus on the ZBS instead of the best OT available the idiot went with Martin, who isn't even close to Glenn, a freaking road grader with feet good enough for LT- imagine him teamed up with Jake Long instead of Martin. Then if we had Evan Mathis or Donald Thomas at RG... then we would have had a sweet OL. Coulda shoulda woulda.
     
  23. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Why would you want Jake Long at this point? I don't disagree with the rest. Just wonderibg why Long.
     
  24. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Martin really rewarded Ireland for the faith he put in him.
     
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  25. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    How many times did you cringe thinking Tannehill ain't gettin up after that one..

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  26. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Well, for one I've always liked him. Second of all, in spite of the late season ACL injury he had an excellent season for the Rams. He was the rock of our OL, and he was missed big time on a O-line that turned out to be awful. Him at LT vs Martin was a joke.
     
  27. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    You got that one right, and if the FO fumbles on fixing the OL this off season RT might get crippled in 2014.
     
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  28. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Its not just the ACL though. Its chronic injury concerns.

    He actually started off through the first 4-5 games far worse than Martin. Even though Martin sucked people here were still claiming it as a win for us.

    Jake did bounce back and play very very well for a stretch but the n got injured like he always does. The injury concerns make me not want him anywhere near our roster ever again unless its a cheap incentive driven deal. He obviously wouldnt have taken that here.

    To each his own though.
     
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  29. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Long had a very solid season, and when I saw the Rams play I keyed on him, he was excellent. Maybe the best I've seen him play. Quicker than I expected and a road grader as usual. He got beat early a few times during the early part of the season, and iirc one bad play against the Cowboys got a lot of airplay, but the dude was solid, bottom line. Big blow for the Rams, but they'll have a shot at Matthews or Robinson as well as Long expected back next year.
     
  30. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Its fair enough. Like I said my only issue is the concern of his injury history, it seems like from now on he will start off average, play great, thrn boom injury.

    If he was healthy of course I'd want him.
     
  31. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    I hear what you're saying, but my preference, by far, was to have him back in 2013. Everyone points to the late ACL injury, and given his injury track record the point is valid. But still, he's a heck of a player.
     
  32. texanphinatic

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    Was always hesitant about paying Albert but he had a good year. Considering the mess Jeff made of the second round (again) ... well glad to be rid of him.
     
  33. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Well, that trade could have very well been the difference between is making the playoffs as the 6th seed or not... in a year where 3 of the 4 6th seeds advanced.
     
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  34. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    And what exactly do you guys think the cap would look like now had that deal been done. Ireland was screwed no matter what he did or didn't do
     
  35. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Wallace wasnt here yet. So not bad at all. Ill take Albert over Wallace any day...and I like Wallace.
     
  36. Phoenician Fan

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    Doesn't matter now, just acquire LT Jared Veldheer, RG Jon Asamoah and Zach Strief RT,then draft OC/OG Gabe Ikard,and move Pouncey to LG.

    Draft James Hurst to be the swing tackle.
     
  37. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i didnt think he was getting back up after those 2 huge hits mario williams put on him.
     
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  38. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    LOL yeah but it doesnt say "double secret pinky swear on your moms life team sources report"
     
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  39. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Hey Dude.....go fire yourself

    AHH...just kidding

    couldn't resist with that name
     
  40. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Yea but what i'm getting at is it is probably better NOT doing that deal because Albert would have wanted a boat load of guaranteed money

    Given the implosion we had . We need all the cap room we can get. We really are gonna get screwed with the Ellerbe/Wheeler contracts. WTF Dawn?
     

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