It might not be what's best for him, but I'd bet money that's what happens. I can't see any way the Eagles aren't sold on Foles by the way. He had a great year.
Why in the world wouldn't they be sold on Foles? He didn't throw 30 td's and 0 int's? lol. You can't get much better than that. My concern with Manziel is that I fear he is going to get cracked in two.
I would draft him in the first round if I needed a Qb..I think he's smart enough to know how to slide ala Russell Wilson, which should protect him.. The key is not changing his game..design the offense to attack with his skillset.
To be fair I never said he is better. I said they are in entirely different situations and Foles is certainly more condusive to success. I said I'd like to see Foles continue his success before I make a statement about his ability.
Look at Wilson vs RGIII and you see the importance of the QB being able to make plays with the feet but avoiding those big hits. If one thinks Manziel can be more Wilson than RGIII in that regard, he could be a frightening playmaker.
Nice Yahoo Article: What stood out the most about facing Johnny Manziel? Auburn DE Dee Ford: "Toughest player I ever faced. He’s a playmaker. He’s a true competitor." Vanderbilt S Kenny Ladler: "I think he’s just unorthodox. He creates his own plays, he knows how to manage his offense well and he makes plays that normal quarterbacks usually don’t make." View galleryArkansas DE Chris Smith: "The toughest, most physical offensive line we faced this year was Texas A&M, and those guys — Jake Matthews, especially — did such a good job protecting for [Manziel]. But he’s a playmaker, man. There’s no two ways about it. A lot of people talk bad about him, but he’s got it. He’s got eyes in the back of his head. Every time I got close to him, I felt like he got away at the last second. I sacked him one time, but I swear it felt like it took 15 or 20 seconds to get to him. That’s the thing about him: He can just keep plays alive. He’s going to be really good at the next level." Alabama LB Adrian Hubbard: "Everybody can be beat, but he’s a great player and he does what he does well within their system. It’s built for him to [improvise] and make plays on the run. I don’t know how that will work [in the NFL], but he’s tough and competitive." LSU S Craig Loston: "He’s a great college player. We did a great job against him twice [in 2012 and 2013]. We defended him as well as anyone, I think. I don’t know if he’ll make a great pro because I am not paid to make those decisions, but he has skill." Auburn CB Chris Davis: "Man, why are you asking me about Johnny Manziel? [laughs] No, he’s a great player, a truly great player." What was your team's defensive gameplan to try to stop him? Ford: "We just went at him. We weren’t going to sit back. The year before we did that. I told my coach [in 2013], ‘Hey, we can’t do that. We’ve got to go at him.’ It paid off in the end. I got to him [for sacks] twice at the end of the game." Ladler: "We tried to contain him so he didn’t scramble and you try to make him throw short routes. He would run around until he just found someone open. We tried to make sure that didn’t happen." Smith: "A lot of teams try to just contain him, but our coaches wanted us to go get him. That was the message before the game: Go get him. If you sit back and just try to contain him and keep him in the pocket, he’ll kill you with his arm. We tried to go after him, and we did a pretty good job of it, but Johnny’s going to be Johnny." Hubbard: "We tried to put him in a little cup and kind of cramp his space a little bit. That's what the coaches wanted. But he’s Johnny Manziel, and he can beat your plan. Even if you do your job, he can get away. He’s one of the best we’ve faced."Loston: "Our plan was to try to keep him in the pocket, make him beat us from the pocket. We did a pretty good job of keeping him bottled up throughout the whole game. We kept him in the pocket for the most part, and he caught us in a couple of errors, but I think our D-line did a great job of collapsing things around him and forcing him into some pressure throws." Davis: "He’s kind of hard to prepare for. He’s a defensive coordinator’s nightmare. He can beat you with his feet and his arm. It’s tough to prepare for a guy like Johnny Manziel because not many guys can play like that, so it’s hard to [simulate]." http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/six-senior-bowl-defenders-scouting-report-facing-johnny-232145573--nfl.html;_ylt=A2KLOzFapeFSmysAzERNbK5_
Right. What I'm saying is Tebow couldn't throw well at all, even at the college level. At least when it came to projecting him. His delivery was atrocious. He looked like someone who didn't belong at the QB position. Manziel doesn't have that issue.
You just referred to Manziel as a pocket passer. I'm sure it was by accident so I'm just letting you know.
Tebow's release wasn't the problem, and it still isn't. Colin Kaepernick had about the slowest windup and delivery I'd seen and he's fine. That ended up being a red herring and I know now that I shouldn't have chased it. The thing people worry about with the "loop" in the delivery is that the guy could fumble the ball in a collapsing pocket and the delivery will take long enough that defenders get the jump. Well I don't think fumbles have been an issue for either Tebow or Kaepernick in their careers and I'm not sure defenders are getting the jump because of long deliveries. Tim Tebow may have had some accuracy issues but he completed 67%, 64% and 68% of his passes his final three years at Florida. The big problem there was not accuracy but a reluctance and inability to throw into tight windows. All of these same issues with Manziel apply as well. He does not have anywhere close to a pro rhythm in terms of his drop, read and throw timing. Nor pro tendencies in his decision-making. He doesn't throw into tight windows or make anticipation throws. Hell he's not even as big and durable as Tebow.
I didn't mean arm strength. Manziel has terrible arm strength. I meant Tebow literally looked like a full back trying to play QB as far as throwing. I don't see that in Manziel. There are technical issues with Manziel. But he looks the part.
He is a pocket passer. That is beyond argument. That is the offense he played in. I am not sure why you would argue that other than to troll.
I think we can effectively say that he's shown the ability to throw from the pocket. As I've written here, he actually had good accuracy when throwing from the pocket. However, how that changes when he can't just take off in the NFL when he doesn't have a good look is the biggest question. Thus, he may not be a strict pocket passer now - but it may not mean he doesn't have the ability to do so. That's going to depend on what you think of his work ethic, football IQ, etc to alter his style of play to something more efficient in the NFL.
I agree with that. Manziel isn't Tebow throwing the ball. That is 100% accurate. I just meant its debatable whether his arm talent translates. I like the trajectory on his deep ball for sure. That won't change. I don't really like his arm strength to make NFL caliber throws though and I'm not sure how well his movement in the pocket translates either. In the NFL I'm looking for the subtle moves in the pocket he seems to lack. I don't see him running around behind the line of scrimmage extending plays in the NFL. With his arm strength that is a disaster waiting to happen, not to mention it won't be as easy to do in the first place.
Manziel has the necessary confidence in himself to make elite level throws, he's mobile in a league where people want mobile QBs. To me rather he translates well into the NFL will be determined by health, and does he have the work ethic needed to be a successful QB in this league. Two big IF's. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
Manziel can throw from a dropback in the pocket. His size is going to make it difficult, he's going to have to move around no doubt about it. But silly comparisons between him and Tebow are embarrassing. I mean Manziel can make pro level throws on a consistent basis, he has the arm to be in the pros. Tebows mechanics and accuracy are so bad that he's going to be an announcer on TV at age what 26? I mean cmon, the comparison is embarrassing if anyone is actually trying to make it. If Manziel was Tebows size he would have already been announced as the #1 overall pick and the Texans would be negotiating his contract. His size, durability and obviously his character are the major red flags and they are there but any notion that he really can't make the throws is nuts, he's capable of making every throw you need to make in the NFL. I do think he works hard at improving, I thought he was a lot better of a Qb this year than last year, I thought it showed that he worked on his game. He's going to be entertaining to watch in the NFL, I don't know why he brings out so much hate from people, if you don't want to watch him play then I don't understand why you watch football.
