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Sports Buzz: confusion in the house

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Jan 25, 2014.

  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    One person who interviewed for the Dolphins’ general manager job said Stephen Ross never clarified whether executive vice president/football administration Dawn Aponte would report to him or the owner, which has caused confusion. The Dolphins publicly remain non-committal about that, even though Aponte previously reported to Jeff Ireland.

    One former NFL general manager said having Aponte report to Ross, instead of the GM, potentially would cause problems: “If your general manager says he’s already drawn up a contract with Drew Rosenhaus, will Dawn then say, ‘We don’t have the money to do that?’ The GM typically would be over a football administrative person.”

    One candidate said Aponte participated in his interview but that he also met alone with Ross and alone with Joe Philbin.

    What a humbling, disappointing search --- with at least four candidates declining to be interviewed, at least one declining a follow-up interview, one rejecting an offer, and now three finalists from teams that have experienced far more failure than success in recent years. Sort of typical for these Dolphins. And doesn't Ross need to ask a bunch of smart NFL people why this job is so unappealing and attempt to fix it?

    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...hurricanes-marlins-chatter.html#storylink=cpy
     
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  2. vt_dolfan

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    Lol..its so bad at this point..its borderline funny. How in the hell is Ross smart enough to hold onto all that money? My god...Ive never seen such...just..obscenely stupid running of a franchise as this.

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  3. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Sad, but true.
     
  4. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    really what else is there to say. Guys a ****in idiot

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  5. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    this.
     
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  6. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it's possible to screw things up any worse at this point except for like, actually hiring that Hickey guy.
     
  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Do you actually know enough about Hickey to say it would be worse than anything else if he were hired? Hickey has more practical hands on experience as an actual college scout of any of the candidates. 10 yrs as an area scout. 6 yrs as Director of College Scouting. If accruing talent through the draft is a priority, I don't see how hiring him would be the worst of all possible scenarios.
     
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  8. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Pretty depressing...
     
  9. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    I know that Mark Dominik was the Gm in Tampa and actually did a credible job, and was fired for reasons that had more to do with Greg Schiano than they did with him. If we're going to hire someone from Tampa, it would be stupid not to even interview him.
     
  10. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Yikes. Not sure how often the financial/legal person on the administrative side is involved in the interviewing/hiring of a key position on the goddam FOOTBALL side, but it doesn't sound encouraging to me. Perhaps she should stick to helping Ross select shoes and ties rather than Miami's GM. That's for all the "misogyny" whiners. :wink2:
     
  11. Lee2000

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    You get this impression a classroom is full of leadership from around the league and the Dolphin reps are sitting in the back corner of the room. And no one wants to be social with them, or let them play in any "reindeer games".
     
  12. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Sad thing is that we should be a pretty damn desirable job, like Darlington said. The thing Darlington, nor us, were able to predict is the structure that was being planned on. Good potential GMs want to run the show... and we aren't offering that type if power... which is depressing.
     
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  13. DPlus47

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    Ross is a terrible owner, but remember: 2 NFL owners that we know of belong in federal prison. The game is rigged for you if you have money, so "smart" isn't necessarily part of the job description for billionaire.

    We can only hope he sells the team to somebody who wants to keep them in Miami.
     
  14. Rocky Raccoon

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    I think the structure is the same as it was always rumored to be. Darlington was even saying that the GM should want to work with Aponte and not be afraid of what she brings to the table.

    Who knows at this point.
     
  15. Serpico Jones

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    Aponte has stabbed two GM's in the back, who would want to work with a person like that?
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    Yup, that's got to be it, she's got the last word in a sense..Think hard knocks.
     
  17. Rocky Raccoon

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    Apprently, not many. :lol:
     
  18. djphinfan

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    I really don't see any reason other than she has final say if push comes to shove that would keep them from wanting the job, if true you can't blame them.
     
  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Whether we should have interviewed Dominik or not, doesn't have anything to do with hiring Hickey being the worst possible thing we could do.
     
  20. Chad Muska

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    No idea how credible or not but this doesn't inspire confidence.

    It could very well be BS but I don't like the fact that he worked 18 years with the Bucs and was not even part of their own GM search. That's a big red flag IMO. Has he ever interviewed for a GM job anywhere else?

    Also seems Bucs fans in general expect him to be let go, and many of them wonder why it has not happened sooner. They don't have much good to say about him. Again, it might not mean anything but worth noting I think.

    I'd pass on Hickey. Just like I'd like to do with the remaining candidates but one will have to be hired, even if it is only because the other turned Miami down.
     
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  21. Bpk

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    Imagine if Gaine says "No thanks."
     
  22. Chad Muska

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    Don't see it happening because I expect that this is what his goal is, to be an NFL GM. He is already here and has worked with everybody in the organization, he is probably comfortable with it.

    But yeah if he was to say thanks but no thanks, that would be absolutely hilarious. Really sad and depressing, but at the same time totally hilarious.
     
  23. ToddPhin

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    But it's not necessarily just Ross. If these candidates aren't fond of him it's likely not just b/c of some superficial outward appearance or personality trait. It's because of some of the decisions he's made and how he desires the show to be run, and that in and of itself isn't necessarily incriminating. For instance, if the power structure is a concern for many candidates, is that specifically b/c of the power structure itself or is it b/c of the people involved within that structure... or is it a combination of both? Perhaps some of these candidates would be ok with the specifics of the structure but aren't ok with them as they pertain to Aponte's and/or Gaine's involvement. Ditto for Philbin as the HC.

    Either way Ross should go down for it but there obviously could be more to it than just Ross. Maybe these candidates simply don't view the idea of working with Aponte or Philbin as an enjoyable one, and perhaps having her involved in the interviewing process left some of these FOOTBALL guys with a bad taste in their mouth or in the very least- conflicted over Ross's prior statement that his GM will have control over the team. I mean seriously, Ross is saying the GM will have total say-so yet he has his capologist/contract-negotiator/butt-kisser who has never worked on the football side of things taking part in the interview, so what mixed message does that potentially send?

    And who knows- unlike myself, maybe some of these guys are anti-feminists when it comes to football and don't care to either be interviewed by a woman or potentially answer to a woman amidst a sport played, coached, scouted, and run by men. It's certainly plausible, and it definitely wouldn't be the first time in this country. I'm only speculating, but perhaps being a woman in a man's game has turned her into a harsh, austere ball-buster who others don't enjoy being around. At least a guy among guys can joke around and be more personable, but she's not afforded that same luxury and doesn't seem concerned with making attempts to bridge it. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that a woman with that much power creates tension among the men around her. Previously she spent her career on the financial/legal side which is no big deal, but this crossing over onto the football side under Ross is a whole new can a worms. Personally I'm all for women having power, would certainly vote for a qualified female president, and feel for a woman trying to make it in a male dominated profession like Aponte is doing, but there's a part of me that would rather have some other team in the league be the first to either advance a woman into the football side of operations or give her a say in it just in case it isn't well received behind closed doors.
     
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  24. ToddPhin

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    I'm not a fan of Walterfootball but aren't those guys Bucs fans? I figure they should have at least somewhat of a pulse on the state of the organization, even if I pay little to no attention to their draft stuff.
     
  25. GMJohnson

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    Yeah well someone has to say it... If Ireland didn't want the job then who will?
     
  26. Bpk

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    I'd somewhat agree, except it was also everyone else's goal to be an NFL GM and they want no part of this. If you want to be an NFL GM, and feel like this job will set you up to fail and be fired in a way that will end your chances of getting another GM job, you really are better off waiting.
     
  27. LBsFinest

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    At this point, I think it's pretty clear that Aponte is the problem...or at the very least her presence is the problem. She's so close to the owner that he's non-committal in interviews on who she would report to, non-committal on how much power she would carry, non-committal on her limitations. I think these executives and potential GM candidates are thinking about that uncertainty, I think they're thinking about the Hard Knocks clip where Aponte told Ireland that she gave Tannehill an ultimatum, that he could accept the contract demands (I'm assuming offset language was part of it), or he could re-enter the draft. That's power. You control the money you control the power. that scene was damning, it gave everyone on the outside a rare glimpse into the inner workings of a pro football front office, a glimpse into OUR front office and how we handle contract negotiations. these execs won't accept the position until Ross makes it 100% clear on what the structure is and where everyone stands. And if he HAS already done that, well then we know why these guys keep declining, because obviously he's not telling them what they want to hear.

    I've been screaming about this for weeks. If I'm the GM I don't want a scenario where we're a week into training camp and my 1st round pick still isn't signed because Aponte is a stickler for offset language and the player and his agent won't accept it and I can't overrule her. Or we're in the hunt for a prized free agent and there's a disagreement between me and Aponte on how much to pay him, or on how many years on the deal, or on guaranteed money, or on whether to backload it or frontload it, and now we lose out on him because we can't agree. I'm telling you, these candidates are thinking about ALL OF THIS.

    you guys keep bringing up the fact that this is one of 32 unique positions in the world but understand this isn't like a HC job where you can fail, get fired, and then get another opportunity down the road to coach a team again. you only get one crack at being a GM in this league for the most part, if you fail your odds of running a team again are slim. the coveted executives like Gamble, Farmer, Caserio etc aren't going to accept the position just because it's offered to them, if they don't think the circumstances will put them in the best position to succeed, they'll say no thanks. they're not going to risk their one shot at running a team on a situation ripe with dysfunction and confusion. They have no problem waiting on the GM opening that provides them with everything they need to excel at the job.
     
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  28. cdz12250

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    In other words, nobody wants to be GMINO. Makes basic common sense. No need for further analysis.
    You'd think that if Ross tells a candidate in no uncertain terms that he has final say, we have a GM. But it's more than that. No one is going to want Aponte in the building, scheming with Philbin and whispering in Ross's ear behind his back. The only candidate willing to accept this is Gaine.
     
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  29. jw3102

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    Obviously the GM prospects who have dropped out of process with the Dolphins or refused to be interviewed in the first place don't agree with Darlington.
     
  30. Phins_Fan_87

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    everyone should have been fired. this franchise is decades away from being elite.
     
  31. Alex44

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    I agree eith the top part but no team Is that far away.
     
  32. MikeHoncho

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    Gaine shall be the last domino to fall. Then you will all bow to your new overlord, lmeister3, Miami Dolphins General Manager.

    And I shall rule with a sugarcoated iron fist!

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    Holy **** its all crazy up in here
     
  34. FinNasty

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    First, forget the hard knocks thing. 2nd, it's more than just Dawn... it's that the coach isn't under him either.
     
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