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Salguero: Caserio wanted to clean house

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Jan 26, 2014.

  1. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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  2. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    smart men
     
  3. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    Smart guys.
     
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  4. jinx

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    This also debunks the theory that Caserio was just using Miami for a raise. It appears he was serious about the job if he was allowed to pick his own coach.
     
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  5. dolfan40

    dolfan40 Well-Known Member

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    i was going to post it but u beat me to it,i like Philbin but i think those gm's were better than hickey
     
  6. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Would it actually be wise to clean house at THIS point in the off-season?
     
  7. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They just wanted the option.
     
  8. LBsFinest

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    Who wouldn't.
     
  9. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    Hickey?
     
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  10. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Obviously Ross feels Philbin is more important to this team than any GM. Cannot say I agree with that based on last year, but hope they prove me wrong.

    Interesting is that not mentioned in this piece was Dawn Aponte, the favorite whippping boy (woman) atm. Seems that Ross' commitment to Philbin is where things went a bit haywire.
     
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  11. LBsFinest

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    He probably wanted to clean house too, but considering he was the only candidate that was probably about to get fired, he wasn't about to turn down a promotion and an opportunity to run his own team (something no other owner would have ever given him) just because he couldn't decide Philbin's fate.
     
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  12. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Dawn Aponte will report to Hickey from now on and not Ross. That's an important update.
     
  13. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    Naw, he probably slept with Aponte.......(waiting for that one)
     
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  14. jinx

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    Not being given the power to fire the coach appears to be the biggest factor, not Dawn Aponte.

    At least according to the Dolphins version of things.
     
  15. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Look what Ross has surrounded himself with. A bunch of kiss asses
     
  16. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I'm glad Ross believes in Philbin enough to choose an unproven coach and a questionable GM over a GM with past success and another coach.


    Sarcasm.
     
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  17. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    Its just my opinion but I believe the best thing Ross could do is sign someone as the overall boss of football operations and give them the ultimate authority over the organization and answerable only to him. People would argue that he is the owner and its his money,...etc..etc. But he is not a football mind and he has done more stumbling and bumbling than he has helped the organization. Hickey may be okay but he is the GM they had to settle for rather than signing the best available candidate. Hickey is coming into a rough situation because it looks like he will share all of the decisions and benefits but will have to shoulder most of the responsibility and the blame.
     
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  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Well, we seem to have two separate schools of thought. One is that the roster overall was of playoff level talent, and the ineptitude of Philbin and staff held them back. The other is that the roster overall was of mediocre talent level, and that Philbin and staff did better than the talent said they should be able to.
    The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
     
  19. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    So at least TWO knowledgeable guys with a better understanding and pulse of the game [one of whom likely knows exactly what Belichick thinks of Philbin as a HC] wanted Philbin gone, and perhaps a few more candidates rejected us for the very same reason considering Casiero & Dawson shared the same belief.... but nooooo, our dimwitted, know-nothing-about-football owner couldn't put two and two together, or six and six together, and realize he should perhaps rethink his commitment to Philbin. What a f***ing idiot. Yeah let's place a potential lame duck head coach among the top of our priority list and at the expense of the more promising GM candidates. So instead of landing the most qualified GM and possibly an upgrade to our coach staff in the process, Ross decides to pair a second rate GM to his second rate HC.
     
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  20. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I dont think Philbin is a bad coach and I dont think Ireland put together the best possible roster.

    I guess my main point is I'd rather have a top GM candidate and a new coach over a poor candidate and an unknown in the coaching department

    At the very least offer control of the staff after this season.
     
  21. OkiePhin

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    Until Caserio hires Tony Sparano then quits and takes a new pay raise in New England! Take that Dolphins!
     
  22. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    So, despite all the Pollyannas here saying that GMs generally don't have the power to hire and fire head coaches, it seems like a LOT of the candidates for our GM job were asking for just that power. Interesting...
     
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  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The majority of coaches could be considered a potential lame duck depending on the results of the most recent season couldn't they?
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    I don't believe so, to say it lightly. The talent is better than it was with Sparano when we could've squeezed into the playoffs with better coaching.

    Coaching is the overwhelming reason we weren't in the playoffs. Yeah, better talent would've gotten us there as well, but that's only b/c that's what it would've taken to overcome such terrible coaching. I honestly cant see how anyone would think we had the talent level of a 6-10 team that the coaching staff milked to 8-8. We had an offensive coordinator who was fired. We have a head coach who repeatedly got out-coached and twice by Doug Marrone. The defensive talent has not gotten worse yet our first time DC has them performing worse. While the rest of the league has competent, experienced position coaches, we have Zac f***ing Taylor "developing" Tannehill [which one scout has basically laughed at], a WR coach that receivers say they learn less from than the assistant, and another position coach that a player stated he learned nothing from all year. I don't know how much clearer it can get.
     
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  25. Bpk

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    Ross: So you'd want the job.

    Caserio: Absolutely!

    Ross: Great!!! Whew, I was statring to get worried there for a min--

    Caserio: There's just one condition.

    Ross: Oh. What's that? Get rid of Joe? Is it Dawn? I promise you won't have to report to her, except on Tuesdays or when she gives me that look.

    Caserio: No, actually. My condition is…. a new owner.

    Ross: DOH!
     
  26. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Twice by Rex Ryan? We beat them once.

    I disagree...Sparano was a terrible coach. Philbin appears so far to be "adequate".
     
  27. Bpk

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    Maybe the fans take after the team. It trickles down from the top.
     
  28. ToddPhin

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    Not sure what you're suggesting by this statement. Clarify?
     
  29. Fame

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    In my opinion, Philbin and his staff should have been let go regardless of the GM. I have no earthly idea what Ross sees in a HC who is incapable of making adjustments throughout the season as well as incapable of forming a gameplan that emphasizes the talent we have, instead of burying it on the bench. Or rather, what does he see in a HC who doesn't actually coach and hires assistant coaches who also don't coach?
     
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  30. ToddPhin

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    Sorry... meant to say Buffalo's guy Doug Marrone.

    That's semantics IMO, as "adequate" is still not good enough and should be deemed replaceable. I don't know if I'd call him adequate since he had his team reach underachiever status. I'd say that's inadequate but that's just me.
     
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  31. Alex44

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    He could have done things better for sure, but noone is winning with an offensive line that can't pass block or run block. Is that coaching....partly, but when your guards are getting blown up in the back field every other play...that is a talent issue.
     
  32. Chad Muska

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    I liked the story better when it was that Caserio used the Dolphins to get more money with the Pats. Then I could think that he was a bit of an *******. But now the guy wanted to make a smart move for the franchise but the owner would not allow it? **** this ****. Ross is responsible for making this franchise such a ****in joke.
     
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  33. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    We split with the Jets.
     
  34. 77FinFan

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    Your reading comprehension must be a lot better than mine because I could not find most of what you presume in that article.
     
  35. Killer B's

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    Good article on all 32 power structures.
    Nine teams: HC reports to the GM
    Two teams (Cowboys and Bengals): HC reports to the owner who is also the GM
    One team (Broncos): Has no GM but HC reports to Executive VP Elway
    Three teams (Redskins, Lions, Vikings): Structure is yet to be announced but 2/3 HC's expected to report to GM
    Two teams (Patriots and Bucs): HC has full power
    Fifteen teams: HC does not report to the GM.

    http://http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/1/25/5343964/nfl-power-structures-who-really-runs-a-team
     
  36. GMJohnson

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    I would definitely lean towards the roster being play of caliber but I wouldn't say missing the playoffs was entirely or even mostly on Philbin. Having said that, I don't see how Ross or anyone else could watch last season and come to the conclusion that Philbin needs more power/authority and basically make his staying on a requirement for any GM candidate.
     
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  37. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The majority of head coaches in the league could get fired if they have a bad season. The Dolphins regress this year, and Joe could get fired. Dolphins improve and Joe likely stays. It is that way with many teams.
     
  38. jinx

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    This is my thinking. Ross clearly doesn't know football so hire the best general manager you can and let him decide if Philbin should be retained. Let the football people make the football decisions, which includes the coach. I don't understand why that's so complicated to him.
     
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  39. jw3102

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    The best thing Ross could do for this team is to sell it. He obviously has absolutely no idea what he is doing in regards to hiring the best people possible to build a winning team in South Florida.

    In 2011 he was stuck with hiring Philbin when no quality head coaching prospect wanted anything to do with Ireland. Now he demands that the GM have no say in regards to Philbin's job as the teams head coach.

    Perhaps one day he will learn that a team needs to have a GM and head coach who are on the same page. For a guy that is suppose to be so smart, Ross is the most clueless NFL owners in the league at this time and one of the worst in NFL history.
     
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  40. ToddPhin

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    but he's a potential lame duck head coach b/c he underachieved and failed to get a playoff caliber team to the playoffs. The problem isn't what Philbin may hypothetically do in the future; it's the fact Ross prioritized an underachieving, lame-duck-worthy HC and did so at the expense of more qualified GM candidates, and did so despite numerous candidates basically suggesting they feel Philbin shouldn't be a HC. So rather than a more qualified GM and potentially more qualified HC, we're left with a 2nd rate GM and a 2nd rate HC whom none of these guys seem to want. My point still stands IMO.

    I mean honestly, where do you think Caseiro developed a belief that Philbin could potentially hinder him and isn't a guy he should want as a head coach? You don't think there's ever been talk in NE prior to now where experienced guys, including Belichick, discussed Philbin's ability as a coach? Cmon, candidates weren't just pulling this "I don't want Philbin here" stuff out of their butts. Something propelled them to feel this way.
     
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