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Salguero: Caserio wanted to clean house

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Jan 26, 2014.

  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Well, we can't all be this gifted. lol
     
  2. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    All this signals to me?

    No matter how we perform, Ross ia committed to Philbin beyond this year...and that is VERY scary.

    Some of us (me included) are hoping, that if things do suck like some believe (me included), then we would clean house.

    That doesn't look like it'll happen.

    Batten down the hatches Dolphins fans. We're headed towards Oakland Raiders and Cleveland Browns perception...
     
  3. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I don't think we had a talent problem at OL, at least not compared to the rest of the NFL. And I don't think there's even an argument to be made that we had a talent problem anywhere else on the team. The problem IMO, is that in instance after instance, guys did not perform up to their talent level. I put that on coaching, scheme fit, and the players themselves, in no particular order.
     
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  4. jinx

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    I don't think I agree with that. You never know with Ross but if the Dolphins have a disastrous season, I think he would fire him. NFL coaches just do not survive 3 straight non-winning seasons.
     
  5. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    Appears Caserio is disputing the Dolphins account of things:

     
  6. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I'm cautiously optimistic about next year. I like the talent we have, and I hope you're right Philbin firing Sherman on his own.
     
  7. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    Tom Curran brings up a good point. If Caserio really wanted to fire Philbin, why would Ross even offer him the job? Makes no sense.
     
  8. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    then why didn't he take the job

    probably because i doubt he ever intended to.
     
  9. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    exactly. People look at the sacks and use that alone as a barometer but it wasn't a true representation of the Oline's performance, as supported by PFF who graded us 18th, higher than the team competing for the SB [Seahawks], higher than 2 other playoff teams [Chiefs, Colts], and higher than the 10-6 Cardinals. The difference is, those three playoff teams have mobile QBs who were encouraged to use their mobility and did so frequently and successfully.
     
  10. jinx

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    Ross said he wanted a team player and he's gonna offer the job to someone who wants to fire the coach?

    I'm starting to think that story was more spin on the Dolphins part because they know Caserio never had any intention of taking the job and used them to get a raise.
     
  11. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Lazor paired with a decent roster is the reason for any glimmering hope I may have left. I'm praying he does what Zac Taylor is incapable of and takes Tannehill to the next level and corrects his deep ball issues, as well as finally integrates some enjoyable offensive innovation.
     
  12. Alex44

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    I disagree a bit. We didn't have a starting caliber player at either guard spot, as good as Mckinney used to be he is just very average now, and Clabo has had struggles in the past (and some success as well)

    I'm not sure where all the talent is. Especially when you consider how much guard play can impact a tackle on either side.
     
  13. jw3102

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    Obviously he will keep Philbin after the 2014 season, even if the Dolphins have another losing season. Because no quality head coaching prospect would have any interest in the position. Ross has so messed up this organization that it must be viewed as a job of last resort for many individuals in the NFL.

    The fact a number of qualified individuals preferred to remain where they were at lesser positions, instead of wanting to come to Miami and becoming the GM, tells me all I need to know about how Ross is viewed around the league.

    Some people on here are taking the view that we have to wait and see how this works out. I on the other hand have waited and seen enough of how Ross has run this organization into the ground over the past five years and made it a laughing stock of the NFL. I have zero faith that anything Ross does will make this team or organization better. That will only come when he sells the team and the sooner the better, as far as I am concerned.
     
  14. I have been saying this all along. It appears as if potential hires do not enough confidence in Philbin to attach their careers to him and Ross is too attached to allow a new GM to part ways with him. This debacle is more of a reflection on Philbin than it is anyone else.
     
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  15. Unlucky 13

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    Thats how I've looked at it today too. I've been hoping that with another season (YET, another season) where the team underachieves by 2-3 games and misses the playoffs, Philbin would be gone and we'd be able to clean house and move on. Now it looks like without a year bad enough for a top 5 pick he'll be back in 2015, and maybe not even with that. Its depressing.
     
  16. ToddPhin

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    This really doesn't mean anything without proper context. How competent or incompetent are the 15 head coaches who don't report to their GM, and how competent or incompetent are those GMs. Of the 9 teams with a HC reporting to the GM, how competent are those GMs? How strong etc is structure of those 24 teams? A qualified HC should have greater leeway and more responsibility, and an organization with a strong structure in place should be able to disperse power more than normal.
     
  17. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    LOL at Caserio demanding power. Who df is Caserio?
     
  18. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    100%.

    That's the bottom line for me. The top candidates turned us down and there's no way that happens unless they didn't like the situation they'd be walking into. I don't know of it's Ross, Philbin, Aponte or whatever but something has to be up.

    Maybe Philbin is the guy, Ross sure seems to think so. But his margin for error is less than zero at this point. I'd feel bad for him if he hadn't purposely snaked himself into this situation.
     
  19. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    You have some very high standards lol
     
  20. slickj101

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    You really think Ross isn't telling them he wants this kind of structure during the first interview?

    That'd make zero sense to me that he'd wait to say that and waste everyone's time.
     
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  21. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    dinosaur at LT. undraftee at LG. Pro bowl Center. 3rd rounder who for some reason is still our best option, and former pro bowl RT.

    C, and RT (after awhile) ended up being our only good olineman.

    LT, LG, and RG all were poor talent.
     
  22. finfansince72

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    Its kind of scary to me if the GMs were told that they wouldn't have the means to fire Philbin after a year long trial run. That really bothers me. IF they give him the players he wants/needs and he puts together his staff and the team regresses then they have every right in the world to fire him and get their own coach in here. IF Ross was not OK with that then this is a big ****ing mess of a team we have here folks. Ross wanting to give Philbin a year with another offseason is fine but after that he is fair game for a GM to fire. If this is not the case then Ross is a ****ing blubbering idiot.

    Honestly, this is why you clean house and start over when you want a change. Unless this is a situation where the team is making the playoffs consistently and you just think a change is in order, see Tampa with Gruden, then you fire the front office and coaching staff and start over. We should have hired a GM early on and given him the authority to decide the coaching staff's fate.
     
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  23. Alex44

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    Glad you responded with no substance to my thought out post. You know I've never had anything against you even when others are ragging on you, but if this is the type of response you choose to give maybe I'm wrong for that.

    Sorry my standards are so high that I'd like more than a great center, declining LT and a RT who is hot and cold (there is a reason Atlanta let him go by the way).
     
  24. GMJohnson

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    I think if you look around the league you'd find that the overall talent level on our OL was slightly below average.
     
  25. the 23rd

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    Philbin's fate would have been decided next year with or without these clowns. as it stands, the media & fan-base decided it for him in 2013. if the guy can survive this beating, he's the next Belachek & the next decade will belong to Miami.

    because every fan-base has the franchise they deserve :no: it probably won't happen
     
  26. Vertical Limit

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    Yeah I wish the story was that Caserio was using us than this. This just makes it worse.
     
  27. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Wait, what?

    I already gave an opinion on the OL and overall talent level. We disagree on the topic, no biggie. I didnt feel the need to repost what I said before. Sorry if that offends you.
     
  28. RickyBobby

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    Philbin, aponte, and the new GM work together independently.

    They report to dan Marino and Jason Taylor.

    They report to Ross.

    ...my dreams.
     
  29. You are satisified with Philbin's job performance for the 2013 season?
     
  30. 77FinFan

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    He was. Using us. He got paid.
     
  31. ToddPhin

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    [​IMG]

    I'm guessing Ross is the taller one in the middle.
    Aponte is the short one to the left about to scoop a finger of poo from his butt.
    Philbin on the far right lucky to be in the picture.
     
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  32. MrClean

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    I'm not definite on that. I just think that unless there is proof he was forced to, to keep his job, I see no reason to assume it wasn't just him exercising his contractual authority over the coaching staff.
     
  33. Da 'Fins

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    That is certainly possible. I think there had to be some pressure on him. But, if true, the fact that he would fire the OC and not the OL coach nor the QB coach makes me have serious doubts about Philbin moving forward.

    Regardless, it is an absolute mess. A disaster. Miami will still win 6-8 games next year just because they have some talent to do so.

    But, Ross' leadership here is just atrocious and is the unavoidable elephant in the room.
     
  34. Fin D

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    The not firing the oline and QB coach should be left up to Lazor.

    Turner actually cobbled together a mediocre line after the scandal and Tannehill has improved since last year under Taylor. Sherman on the other hand called plays poorly and did the opposite of helping when it came to protection and deep ball timing on called plays.
     
  35. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    He actually wanted the job and the ability to fire Philbin next yr if it didn't work out. Ross said Philbin is untouchable. Caserio walked.
     
  36. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Just heard Amando on the radio..he said Aponte wasnt an issue after they interviewed and talked with everyone. The Aponte concerns were before they interviewed

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  37. 2socks

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    So what was the issue - Philbin?
     
  38. Da 'Fins

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    Actually it should be the GM in concert with the HC. But if Philbin is given power over the staff then it is up to Philbin. It should always be left up to the HC not the OC; that's crazy otherwise. Now, the HC should want to get an OL coach that fits the OC's system. But, "leaving it up to" Lazor passes the buck. It's the HC & GM who should to fill out the staff not the coordinators!
     
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  39. vt_dolfan

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    He also said...if Casserio was hired ...good chance Josh Mcdaniel would have been the coach. So..what would you rather have ..Hickey Philbin...or Casserio McDaniel

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  40. vt_dolfan

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    Philbin was the deal breaker. Casserio wanted him gone now..and wanted to hire his Coach..most likely Josh McDaniel. Dawson could have been fine this year...but wanted ability to fire Philbin next if things didnt work.

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