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Chris Mortenson just said on ESPN that Hickey signed a 2 year deal

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Yeah I'm happy about this. Great news.
     
  2. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    I'm wondering if Lake Dawson was only offered a two year deal and that's why he walked. He did mention in his statement that the "details of the offer didn't align with my vision".
     
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  3. Ozzy

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    Yes but im thinknig deeper into it. Ross tried to keep Ireland around and take away his power. Because he has to pay him anyway. Now he's keeping a coach around who teamed up with another staff member against Irelend. A back stabbing pair are still here. So now we here he may have insisted that a GM sign a 2 year deal? Even if its not entirely true. I'm begining to think that Ross is a cheap as SOB whos more worried about how much money people are walking away with than whats happening for the good of the team he owns.
     
  4. Jagfish

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    Well this might buy some time for Ross to look for that Czar Barry Jackson has been reporting he is considering. Things go south and the Czar comes in at the end of this year ala' Bill Parcells, while Cam Cameron was here, to evaluate the entire operation. Heads roll and you end up paying the GM and Coach 1 year contracts to go away as opposed to longer deals.
     
  5. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    I'm amazed by the fact that, as fans, it's come to the point where we're honestly celebrating the fact that we'll only be stuck with these guys for two years. That is, instead of actually hiring good people, we're excited that the bad hires won't last too long.
     
  6. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    I tried like hell to find out how long Jets GM John Idzik's contract is for, but I came up empty. I would hope it is longer than 2 years.
     
  7. muscle979

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    I'm sure it is longer, I'm assuming he wasn't their 7th or 8th choice.
     
  8. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I can imagine a fan from a winning franchise thinking, let's see what Dolphins fans are like, browses thephins and sees a bunch of lunatics celebrating the fact that these bad hires are gone in two years.
     
  9. CaribPhin

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    If there is a such thing as motivation, there should be plenty of it for a guy who wasn't interviewed for a promotion, was about to be fired, and only got a 2 year prove yourself deal. If he messes up, conceivably he'll never be a GM again. I expect him to work fairly hard.
     
  10. Badmanforward

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    This is fantastic news. A two year deal is essentially a 1 year deal. Either way we could end up "winning" as fans. If Philbin and Hickey exceed our expectations we can't possibly be angry with a playoff appearance and true signs of improvement. If they bomb (more likely) we may finally get the re-set that the fan base has been demanding for years. It may also nudge Ross to finally hire a Czar that he desperately needs.

    My dream scenario next season:

    "Czar" role: JT
    GM: Marc Ross
    HC: David Shaw

    Ironically Shaw and Ross both got their start with the Eagles organization in 1997. But we can leave that discussion for another time.
     
  11. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    if true, it's basically a one year prove it deal. You don't ever want your GM in his seat with less than a year remaining on his contract. That's why we extended Jeff Ireland, albeit quietly, last offseason. Ireland only had one year left on his contract at the time.
     
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  12. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I wonder if the same responsibilities offered to Hickey were offered to the other candidates. Like was it ever offered to Gamble that Aponte/Philbin will report to him and he's got control of the roster, and was it also offered that he may fire Philbin if a poor showing comes out of the 2014 season.

    Honestly I don't think Gamble would have turned that down. I think Ross wanted to hire someone to be Philbin's ***** and then once everyone started saying no he's like okay Philbin will be your *****. I mean when you have a chance to hire a top candidate, you say everything you can to get him here. Oh well.
     
  13. Corsair

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    You can't fire a GM after one year.

    If you thought it was hard getting good GM candidates this year, wait until the league watches you dump Hickey after only one year.
     
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  14. I think they severely miscalculated their ability to replace Ireland. Hickey is the best they could find willing to work with Philbin..... just let that sink in for a minute.

    Philbin could not work with Ireland and now he is gone. Philbin and Hicks are hitched together with each getting two years. This aint no rebuild or long term thing, this is a win now offseason. Aponte will watch the purse string and it would not surprise me to see her getting an extension. Ross is expecting Philbin and Hicks to continue what Philbin and Ireland started. I think Ross is still unsure of himself but angry and this deal is putting Philbin on notice.

    Im thinking Philbin blamed Ireland for last seasons failures and now Ross is putting next year fully on Philbin by letting him pick his own GM.
     
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  15. Badmanforward

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    Not if Ross pulls a complete re-set and hires a new face to head Football operations. Ross is most likely persona non grata in most prospective GM circles now, but if he were to hire someone with the credibility of a Dan Marino or Jason Taylor and effectively relegate Ross to the role he should play (chief check writer) then we may just have a chance to rebuild the organization the proper way.
     
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  16. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Hickey was Philbin's choice for the GM role, which is how Hickey became involved to begin with.

    Mortenson said that the two of them hit it off when Philbin originally interviewed for the TB job. He said that the two have stayed in touch and that Philbin recommended that Hickey be interviewed to Ross. This explains several things, including why their contracts are up at the same time...
     
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  17. RickyBobby

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    Dimitrioff in ATL just got an extension, know how long?...1year



    Idk why everyone thinks Ross is so dumb.

    He fires the GM and OC, 2needed moves.

    He still likes philbin and believes he should have a chance to prove it for 1 more year. The contract length is probally the reason many people balked at the job.

    Ross' main fault, if any, was him being set on philbin for this year but he has left himself a route to blow it up and gp big next year, clean house. Now, if that does happen and then we end up with a 5th choice at GM, I will feel comfortable saying Ross sucks at being an owner.
     
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  18. Corsair

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    Well, maybe you are right. You make one big sweep and ride Philbin and Hickey out and your next GM or HC better be a big name hire.

    The league would recognize that Ross made a mistake and was willing to move on from it. The sad thing is it seems like everyone has already realized the mistake, two weeks into the GM search. You don't give a guy a two year contract if you have tremendous respect and faith in him.

    I think the plan went very quickly from "Go get the best GM we can find" to "find somebody who will take the job for a couple years".

    That's not a winning formula.
     
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  19. Corsair

    Corsair New Member

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    I'm a buc fan so sorry if I don't quite have a grasp on your team's structure.

    Can anyone explain to me exactly which duties fall on Ross/Aponte/Hickey... and what was it before with Ireland? This subject I don't have alot of knowledge on. :-/
     
  20. Mrtree

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    Neither does anyone other than God and, maybe, Ross.
     
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  21. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    best post in this thread.


    And lol @ calling this a "prove it" deal. Is there any such thing for a GM? If his rookies don't make he pro bowl; is Hickey a bust? Or is he going to pull an Ireland and sign a bunch of big name, high cost FA, to save his job and **** up our cap long term? Wouldn't that be lovely....

    This is a terrible, half baked idea that once again demonstrates Ross's incompetence. lol @ anyone thinking this is a good thing.
     
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  22. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Its like being a MLB fan of a lousy team, in many ways. Since the contracts are guaranteed, you hope that the guys do well, but if not, you're out from under the contract quickly and easily. A long term deal for a guy who isn't working out drags you down.
     
  23. BicketyBam

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    What can a GM accomplish in 2 years? How long does it take to evaluate a draft? Three years? This is baffling, to say the least.
     
  24. Anonymous

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    A GM can accomplish plenty in one off season, let alone two.

    Hickey's job is simple. Upgrade the line as well as the running game. Do not tear apart the defense. If he does this the team will improve its win total.
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    The significance of the 2 year deal is how much faith it shows the Dolphins management (Ross) has in him. It also suggests that he's here because Philbin thinks he gets along well with him.
     
  26. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Its not that simple. A GM should have long term and short term vision. His long term vision is irrelevant as he has no use for it. Which means he's got to focus short term. which likely means more overspending in FA. Say goodbye to that healthy salary cap we once had.

    **** this team. I hate Ross with the rage of all the world of warcraft virgins.
     
  27. Anonymous

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    I don't buy that. There is nothing to stop Ross from extending him if he does a solid job this off season and helps this team win in 2014. And considering this team went 8-8, it won't take too much for them to take the next step and clinch a playoff spot.
     
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  28. ToddPhin

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    Joe Philbin- committing career suicide by hooking up unqualified friends since 2012.
     
  29. MrClean

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  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Someone has cancer? I am so confused. :whistling:

    Well, I have to agree with your good friend, LBsWorst. This looks like a solid hire. Honestly, and I have no great love for Philbin, I think all 3 of the new coaches are significant improvements over their predecessors.
     
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  32. jinx

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    I don't blame Philbin for wanting someone he is comfortable with, especially after the allegedly bad experience with Ireland. His butt is on the line.
     
  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Its the new normal. Anything we do is stupid and bad and we're the only ones that do it, regardless if its fairly common.

    - Owner doesn't want GM to have impunity to fire the HC like many other organizations (including the 2 playing this weekend), doesn't matter its stupid and bad and proprietary to the Dolphins.
    - Head coach doesn't discuss injuries like most of the other coaches in the league, doesn't matter its stupid and bad and proprietary to the Dolphins.
    - Head coach hires people he's worked with in the past like every other coach in the history of the game, doesn't matter its stupid and bad and proprietary to the Dolphins.

    These are the times we live in. Narrative beats facts. Agenda drives reality.
     
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  34. Clark Kent

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    Exactly. Short term. The goal shouldn't be to just win enough games to get into the playoffs for 2014. The goal should be to build a franchise capable of making it every year and eventually good enough to win a SB. A "prove it" deal for a GM is ridiculous for that reason. Rookie's are graded after 3 years for a reason. It's very rare they contribute significantly. Which means he's going to have to attack F.A. and overspend our future.

    The offensive line is in shambles. It needs 2 starting G's and 2 starting T's (or 2 T's, 1G, and 1C and move Pouncey to G). That's not an easy fix... Both Brian Hartline and Brandon Gibson are coming off severe knee injuries. Both RB's played questionably throughout the season. Our offensive is a mess. Defensively, two pro bowl caliber defensive lineman are F.A. Our LB core is one of the worst in the NFL. Our secondary is comprised of free agents and rookies who couldn't sniff the field. How is this an easy fix again?
     
  35. padre31

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    Win or be gone/'nuff said
     
  36. Claymore95

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    Aponte is the safety mechanism for that, she'll be making sure he doesn't overspend and **** up our cap. Sure, it's been reported that she will report to Hickey, but do we really buy that. Aponte will have Ross' ear (hard not to :p) if he's overspending.
     
  37. Chad Muska

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    So it seems that Mortensen was wrong.

    Barry Jackson ‏@flasportsbuzz 2 h
    The Dolphins are denying an ESPN report that new GM Dennis Hickey got only a 2-yr. deal. They say it is longer than that.

    Disappointing.

    I also don't get why the team just doesn't come out and give the right information.
     
  38. LBsFinest

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    Bummer if true.
     
  39. Da 'Fins

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    Really, you've got to be kidding about this comparison? Dimitroff has already had a long term deal and has been in place since 2008. It's a natural move for team's to do that. Dimitroff just oversaw a 4-12 season as well, so he's not going to get extended way into the future. And he was extended through the 2016 (which would mean 8 years in the place and the team there is virtually all his players). But that is also a year beyond the deal that Hickey gets.

    And, if you can't see Ross has been bumbling along with the Harbaugh situation; the botched stadium deal (then the PR fiasco that followed it); then extending Ireland mid-season then firing him; then unwilling to allow top GMs to be in charge - trying for a bizarre 3-headed monster - and every GM that walked away wondering the same thing: that they had no real clue who was in charge or what the pecking order would really be (these guys are not idiots, they work for successful organizations). Losing all those guys; and finally hiring a guy who has worked for a losing organization - that defines mediocrity except for when Dungy was there?

    Please. Ross has made more bungling errors in the 5 years he's been the owner than the Maras or Rooneys or Kraft combined. They system he is used to in his Related Companies may work there but he doesn't get the NFL. Maybe one day he will, but right now he's a complete failure. Only blind faith can keep someone from seeing that at this point.
     
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    smh...you gotta be kidding me.
     

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