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So we hired the former Texans OL coach that I wanted as our asst OL coach per Marvez

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    Source tells @FOXSports that Paul Dunn is @HoustonTexans new offensive line coach & John Benton is @MiamiDolphins new asst o-line coach.

    Benton replaces Chris Mosley, who curiously left the team last year midseason, explained as he and the organization agreeing to mutually part ways. if Jim Turner is eventually let go this offseason after the Ted Wells report comes out, I think Benton is an excellent replacement.

    now this is a good hire

     
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  2. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, that could lend some more credence to zone-blocking/runs. Perhaps Lamar Miller will show what I thought he would last season.
     
  3. Jagfish

    Jagfish Season Ticket Holder

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    Well the Texans usually run the ball very well. After last year this is a plus.

    Benton was part of Gary Kubiak’s first staff that was hired in 2006. He worked with assistant head coaches Mike Sherman and Alex Gibbs, both of whom were the primary offensive line coaches, before taking over.
    http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/01/texans-fire-offensive-line-coach-john-benton/
     
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  4. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    Bring in Wade Smith, Chris Kuper, Ryan Harris, and Eric Winston and zone block already.
     
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  5. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Uh I hope we draft Miller's replacement. That guy is no more talented than Travis Minor. We need a new running back.
     
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  6. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, it's hard to judge with the way the O-line is (not saying that Miller doesn't need to step up).

    And to be even MORE fair, Lamar actually WAAAAAAAAAY ahead of the Travis Minor curve.
     
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  7. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    I can't believe he ended up being decent.
     
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  8. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    I hate to say it given that I wanted a clean sweep, but watching Joe Philbin quietly knock out these assistant coach hires while Ross bumbles around like a nincompoop trying to find a general manager, I kind of wish we'd just put Joe in charge of everything. Hold him accountable for the results and fire him if the team doesn't succeed -- But at least he can identify decent candidates for openings and close the freaking deal with them.
     
  9. VanDolPhan

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    All those guys had horrible years. Harris was the 56th tackle and a -5.6, Eric Winston was 69th. Clabo was 45th for reference.

    Wade Smith fell off to the 59th guard and a -10.7 grade. Kuper has only been able to play 11 games the last 2 years (6 starts) and is 31. He's also gone under 2 major surgeries the last couple years.
     
  10. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Ya, Zach Strief IS going to be available in free agency. He would be a much better choice. PFF gave him a +26.5 and I think he was the top RT in the league last year. He is 30 so a 4 year contract loaded in the first two years would be my choice.

    The Saints are in cap hell and the general consensus is that Strief may not even get any kind of legitimate offer.
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yet both Tate and Foster had very positive grades as runners. Chris Myers and Brandon Brooks were the only 2 Houston OL with positive run blocking grades. That's great they did well, but an OL needs more than 2 good blockers to open holes. I don't understand PFF sometimes when it comes to run blocking grades for players in zone schemes. Like in 2011, Denver was one of the top rushing teams in the league but 4 of their 5 starting OL had very negative run blocking grades. Willis McGahee had 5.9 grade as a runner, but the team's combined run blocking grade was a -69.
     
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  12. Disgustipate

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    I'm not sure the Dolphins are going to be as much of a zone blocking team next season.

    When you look at Bill Lazor's offense at Virginia, it was a mixed scheme. The inside/outside zone game was there, but there was more man blocking than zone. Lots of pulls and traps(not just one guy doing it either), lots of misdirection, and out of a bunch of different formations. Lots of FB/TE, even pre-snap RB motions. It's possible that Philbin gives him a "big picture" mandate to focus more on zone elements, or that they'll be more Chip Kelly thrown in there, but it's hard to say.

    I'd expect a bigger focus on mobile offensive linemen regardless, without as many "concession" guys like Incognito, Jerry, etc.
     
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  13. Disgustipate

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    It seems like they're really boom or bust on finesse guys in general. They say they grade on outcome rather than appearances of technique, but it doesn't seem to match at least my own perceptions when I look at it closely.
     
  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You just gave me a boner.

    I know, i know, this is awkward for both of us. But we don't need to talk about it, we can just carry on like it never happened.
     
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  15. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's nasty, but I am not going to judge a person for their personal weirdnesses.

    When I get home I'll post some Virginia videos from when Lazor was the OC. (Some of them are on Youtube under Morgan Moses/Oday Aboushi highlight videos for 2011-2012). You can get a couple of full games of offensive snaps out there.
     
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  16. ConvenientTruth

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    [video=youtube;LEN7l5pBA3Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEN7l5pBA3Y[/video]
     
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  17. Lee2000

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    Benton seems more qualified than Turner to be the lead OL coach. I wonder about this hire. Is Benton the OL coach in waiting and is Turner on way out?
     
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  18. Bofin

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    the oline certainly needs some attention,, looking at some of bentons videos it looks like a quality fullback would help,, as would good vision from our runners.
     
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  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'm just glad to have the guy. I was bummed that we didn't even try for Munchak to replace Turner, but having Benton on the staff even as the Asst OL, a position he seems overqualified for, is almost as good. As much as folks here are mostly bummed about the new GM, I think we have good reason to be jazzed about the 3 new asst coaches.
     
  20. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    You sir, are the winner.

    In his press conference Steve Ross admitted he knows pretty much what is going to be in the Wells report which will be released after the Super Bowl and that in their minds they've headed in the right direction from the whole thing.

    Conspicuously they just hired an "assistant" OL coach that is way more qualified than their current OL coach.

    Yeah. Jim Turner is a goner.
     
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  21. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Seriously. My last memory of Wade Smith with the Dolphins was him blowing his blocking assignments and getting Brian Griese killed.
     
  22. Jagfish

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  23. 77FinFan

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    Good and good. Man, I'm drooling thinking about a much improved O line.
     
  24. MrClean

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    That was him playing LT. Since he's left the Dolphins I don't think any other team, KC or Houston has played him there. He was always known for having quick feet, good enough in that respect to play LT, but not the length or reach. His rookie season was 2003, and we still barely missed the playoffs because Fiedler couldn't stay healthy. Wade Smith started all 16 games at LT as a rookie and the team still went 10-6.
     
  25. Da 'Fins

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    Honestly, way, way too much is put into the PFF stuff.

    I saw that and went back and watched Strief. The Saints often run away from him and he gets help. It's easier to get a 'win' in a blocking assignment when the run is a sweep to the other side. I just don't see the stellar-ness on the field to match their ratings on him. He's decent enough; and I do believe he would be an upgrade over the current OGs. But, he's a lot more mediocre than the PFF ratings say about him.
     
  26. Da 'Fins

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    I agree. PFF is a very flawed system, imo; and the same goes for positive grades (like Strief; decent but graded way too high).
     
  27. ConvenientTruth

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    With any stat, PFF should be a tool, not the only thing we use to evaluate players on...again they are basing their grades on what a player does whithout knowing the call or the players specific assignment....
     
  28. Da 'Fins

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    I thought the exact same thing.

    One can only hope. I have a suspicion that Ross will ask for Turner to leave after the NFL report comes out (that will take some pressure off of Philbin asking one of his guys to step down).

    But, Benton clearly is the more experienced and successful OL coach than Turner is.
     
  29. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Right. Which is why getting hyped over a player because of a high PFF grade; or thinking one player is worse than another because his PFF ranking is lower is flawed.

    I would say it's a limited tool that sometimes has to be taken with a grain of salt. No doubt, a strong positive rating or a strong negative rating is likely going to be somewhat reflective of the kind of year a player had. But, it's also an attempt to quantify and objectify something that really is far more subjective than the way fans and even media use those rankings.
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He's a RT for the Saints. You mean you'd may consider him if he moved to guard, or that he'd be an upgrade at RT?
     
  31. Xeticus

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    Omg, you had me at fullback. I miss when we had Lousaka Polite and could bull through for guaranteed 3rd and short.
     

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