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Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by Tone_E, Mar 27, 2013.

  1. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Can't figure out whether I like the AKU-12 or ACE-52 more. I'm getting consistent 2+ KD with both. Probably more beneficial to master the ACE-52.

    Maxed out recon. Having ****ty luck with C4 lately so probably going to max out Engineer next. The SMAW is decent. About to unlock the Javelin.
     
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    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Just compare them. I've settled on the ACE 21 CQB, with the AK-5C as a backup.

    The SMAW and RPG are useless. The Javelin is also severely downgraded from BF3. Keep going until you unlock the SRAW, then master it.

    People are also starting to appreciate the M2 SLAM. It's a lower-damage mine that can stick on vehicles. Slap 3 on an enemy vehicle and throw a grenade to detonate them. Hilarity ensues.

    Use in moderation. Yes, you'll die less because you won't show up on the minimap, but it also greatly reduces the travel speed of your bullets, meaning it's harder to hit targets at the longer ranges present in conquest mode. I'd save it for when you're stalking around one or two specific objectives that involve relatively close combat.
     
  3. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    February will be Battlefield Appreciation Month.

    Here are the biggest gifts;
    http://blogs.battlefield.com/2014/01/bf4-player-appreciation-month/
     
  4. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I run suppressed on everything if the unlock is available.

    Some underrated guns I found;
    MX4 PDW - crazy rate of fire, very stable with stubby grip suppressor and silencer. Any 1x sight of your preference - although my favorite sight is the HD-33 holo, I find the red dot works best with the MX4. Great for CQB but with auto fire accuracy it is also good for medium range engagements by holding down trigger/burst firing. I use this on conquest large maps. No problems with an aggressive play style.

    Type 88 LMG. Has very low recoil on first shot. So, if you burst fire or single tap this weapon, it is DEADLY. Use this method with Heavy Barrel and it becomes even better.

    Any ACE gun although I don't use them as much as I should. I can't get off the M416 and ACW-R for some reason. All suppressed, all the time btw. :wink2:
     
  5. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The only reasons not to use the M416 or ACW-R would involve either personal taste or being in a specific situation that calls for something specialized.

    As far as hidden weapons go, here are some of my suggestions: the M249 SAW is basically an assault rifle with 200 bullets, the 93R pistol is very versatile, the UMP-45 is excellent when silenced, the CZ-3A1 is a bullet hose, and the MTAR-21 is perfect for point defense in tight areas.
     
  6. Tone_E

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    Agreed with everything. I love the MTAR in CQB but it does have a larger spread than other weapons IMO, didn't check the charts. M249 is nice too. Apparently the MG4 is the best LMG (unless controlling the Type 88 with single/small burst fire), but the 249 has been a favorite of mine since BF3. Never tried the CZ-3A1. Will do so. Also have to spend some time with the UMP.

    My next personal weapon to play with is the SCAR. Favorite of mine in BF3 (engineer variant) until the nerf (crying babies) so I want to learn it in BF4. Heard it is great if you use it correctly, and I have no issues burst firing since I tend to do that for all weapons when warranted anyway. Also, can't wait for Second Assault as it has the AS-VAL. I used that a lot in BF3 and apparently it is better in BF4. Nerf forthcoming for sure lol.
     
  7. TiP54

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    You weren't kidding about those XP boosts, Des. Used my 200% with the double XP this past weekend, had 3 consecutive games of 160k+ XP per round.

    Can't believe you guys are hating on RPG, what's so bad about it? Higher single shot damage out of all launchers, no? I solo take it tanks that are being repaired, just gotta get creative. Mines are awesome too.
     
  8. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Hope you have Premium, they have exclusive double XP events…

    [video=youtube;s7tfq9NAUdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tfq9NAUdI[/video]

    M2 SLAMs are better than AT Mines since they stick to vehicles. Toss 3 on a vehicle and hit it with a grenade or some sort of launcher. Kaboom.

    [video=youtube;bpXAhic-h9I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpXAhic-h9I[/video]
     
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    Yes sir, hence the double xp weekend + 200% Xp Boosts = XP Overload.



    Watched the video, and the guy was pretty good with it, but if it was that simple, everybody would be doing it, no? Also, still don't see how that deems RPG "useless" I'll give it a shot tonight.

    As for SLAMs, that video helped it a bit, because I had no idea how they worked period, but I'm not sure they fit my style of play. I generally drop 3 mines by a flag entry point and end up getting kills sometime over the course of the game, and re-plant them again.

    Good example would be F flag in Zavod, if you start on the opposite side of the map, you can circle around on the buggy and drop mines all day on the road leading from spawn to F getting tank kills all day.
    SLAMs are definitely awesome for trolling though lol
     
  10. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The SRAW is relatively far down the list of unlocks and takes a bit of practice. You won't see that in most pubs.

    Because the SRAW obsoletes the RPG. Its effective range is basically the entire map and can neutralize aerial vehicles, as you saw. There is no projectile drop because it's wire guided. You literally have the ability to remote control a rocket across a map; how is that trumped by a fire and forget projectile?

    The SLAM is getting balanced so troll with it while you can. Sticking it on vehicles and blowing them up with a grenade or launcher should still work, though.
     
  11. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    DMRs getting a damage buff. Always have been a fan of semi automatic rifles on most FPS games. Hopefully this makes them a viable option.

    Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk
     
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    Played with them today, just didn't like it man. He was taking those choppers down with 1, but that's probably they've been getting shot at. Takes 3-4 to take it down, while 1 rocket takes out most birds with a direct hit. Same thing with vehicles. The obvious advantage is that it's much easier to aim and you can guide it, as you mentioned. However if I am getting attacked by a bird, more times than not they get greedy and I get a rocket shot off.

    Maybe because I'm just accustomed to my style of playing, but if it's me and any of my friends, with the two of using RPGs, no ground vehicle or a boat stands a chance. Birds are trickier, but again, if they get close enough we are usually good for it.

    It will definitely substitute my Javelin as the go to weapon for the great pilots though. Or a little bird that is constantly getting repaired. A pro flying a little bird combined with constant repairs to me is the biggest pain in the *** in this game. Glad they nerfing it a bit.
     
  13. Desides

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    It depends on where you hit the chopper. All vehicles in this game have varying degrees of damage depending on where you hit them; you do more damage to a tank if you hit it in the back, for instance.

    In the videos, the guy is hitting the top of the choppers at the rotor blades. That's almost always an instant kill. Even if you just get a vehicle disable, then you've put that vehicle out of commission long enough to reload and hit it again.

    I think the nerf has already been implemented. Repair rates are now variable depending on the vehicle you're repairing.
     
  14. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The SRAW is all you will need. Like Desides mentioned, they have range and accuracy, and can be guided. They are also great for those pesky snipers. Really.

    Also, with a stationary target, you can shoot your first round in the air while aiming down sights, reload, shoot the second missile, and while you are guiding your latest missile, the one you initially shot in the air will track to your reticule. Essentially, you get two rocket hits with one doing more damage since it is coming straight down. Also, the SRAW can be shot as a dumb fire if you hip fire.
     
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    Desides Well-Known Member

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    1.2GB patch is out. All platforms. Contains everything from Mantle for new AMD GPUs to netcode changes to the aforementioned balance adjustments.

    Changelog for the PC version:

     
  16. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    - Double SRAW has been patched (i like it)
    - Second Assault assignments are capable of being unlocked if you are premium, but only the AS-VAL can actually be done as the rest require tasks to be completed on the new maps

    Interesting to get the AS-VAL as I mentioned in another post.

    And damn this Mantle. Really don't want my next cared to be an AMD.
     
  17. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    D'oh. I thought that was perfectly fine. It's a nice way to counter armor.

    Doesn't need to be. Mantle does add performance, but unless you only play BF4 or EA games (future EA games will use Frostbite 3 and therefore Mantle will be available) then it shouldn't be a make or break feature. Pick whichever card is best for the games you want to play.
     
  18. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, I pretty much only play BF4 and some Arma 3 / DayZ Standalone.
     
  19. Tone_E

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    Desides, care to put this in layman's terms?

    Should this even be toyed with?
     
  20. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Don't touch it if you don't know what you're doing.

    Long story short, people are complaining that the game doesn't fully utilize their PC hardware. They may see only 60% CPU utilization and processing load on only a couple of cores. So DICE added the option to force the game to use as many CPU cores as the user defines in this new cfg file setting.

    It's mainly for people obsessed with getting every drop of performance possible. If you're happy with how your computer handles the game, just ignore that line and continue to play.
     
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  21. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Just bought premium. Figured I play too much BF not too. Anyone tried the DMR's post-update yet?
     
  22. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Not yet. Haven't played it. Been watching Sherlock. :lol:

    The big change to DMRs is apparently that they now take 3 shots to kill at medium to long range, instead of the 4 or 5 they took before. That makes them a nice bridge between assault rifles and sniper rifles. This might make DMRs viable for Engineers on conquest maps, too.
     
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    Desides Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;GzbrTwFkgu0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzbrTwFkgu0[/video]

    So apparently the AS VAL is pretty awesome.
     
  24. Tone_E

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    I unlocked it last night. Personally like the BF3 version better. It was better at range with tap firing. This version....I'm losing too many engagements. I will be patient with it though, it is KILLER at short range. Ammo goes quick! You blink and the next thing you know you are looking for ammo packs.

    EDIT: Just watched your video and LC mentions the high first shot recoil, so I guess I have to burst longer as opposed to quick taps at range.
     
  25. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Just watch how he does it and copy. :lol: He's also good at recoil management, meaning he knows at what rate to drag his mouse downward when firing on full auto to compensate for the recoil causing the gun aim to rise.
     
  26. Tone_E

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    I get that, but compared to BF3 the recoil is still worse. Like I said I will keep using it to get used to it, and check symthic (SA weapon data just came out) to see where the recoil goes so I can compensate. I just felt so much more comfortable with the BF3 version, but the BF4 has better potential IMO.
     
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    I wasn't a fan of the BF3 version. Felt too inaccurate to me. I haven't tried the BF4 version yet, but we'll see. It looks like a really good point defense gun.
     
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    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Welp.

     
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    I don't see anything wrong with that. Keep it as is. Can't keep nerfing things. Or else just release one gun per class so everything is equal. Or give all guns same stats and different skins. Maybe that is what the community wants. It is getting out of hand. There are better short range ARs and there are better long range ARs.
     
  30. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The community will complain about whatever most recently killed the person writing the post. I just want them to up the server tick rate and improve netcode, personally.
     
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    Anandtech has posted some preliminary benchmarks using Mantle.

    tl;dr Older hardware and/or CPU-bottlenecked hardware benefits the most.
     
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    Player appreciation month is on. Log in to Battlelog (you don't have to play a game) every day and you'll get either a bronze or silver battlepack. I had 2 waiting for me; scored a PDW-R Coyote sight, a camo pack, and one each of a 25%, 50%, and 100% XP boost.
     
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    Good thing I read this. I'm in Seattle for the weekend, can't play, thought I will have the battlepacks waiting.

    Now I was able to log and get em :)
     
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    I believe it also counts if you log in via the phone/tablet app.
     
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    I don't usually ***** about OP guns but the shotties need to be tweaked. They need to reduce the damage at medium range. Its rediculous to loose a medium distance exchange to some clown blasting buck shot when your hammering him with an assualt rifle. Also, the DMRs seem to be better after the update.
     
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    All DMRs now take 3 shots instead 4 to kill at any range, and have been given accuracy buffs to varying degrees depending on the DMR in question. I wish they were still 4 shot kills out past 50 meters, since at that point you're entering sniper territory, but whatever.

    Also, ridiculous, not rediculous. :yes:
     
  37. Tone_E

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    I don't mind the DMRs, except the damn sound they make. So annoying. Snap snap snap snap snap. F man. I get all discombobulated and shhh.

    PS. Love using that word. :)
     
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    I was on Paracel Storm in a one on one vs a sniper. I was on the beach going above and below the cover of the terrain. Sniper was taking pot shots, I was popping up and down laying down whatever fire I could. The sniper was on the ground in the brush surrounding the tower between A and B, closer to the fringe by the beach though. Anyway, I finally went for the kill and popped out completely and he one shot killed me (i had about 50-60% health I'd say, if not more) with the shotty, the handgun replacement. The range was at least 20 meters. I was so pissed.

    But, I don't think the shot guns are that bad. I recall sometimes I get like 13 point kill assists after clown blasting (lol) buckshot at range - only because I had no choice. Rather take my chance with the shot gun than the G18. This is my loadout for Altari Range and I just attack/defend D in the middle of the map.

    Maybe the one shot kill glitch is affecting you more than it should with the shot guns? I don't find them particularly good at range.
     
  39. Desides

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    The one shot kill glitch was supposedly fixed several patches ago.

    As for the Shorty 12G incident you had, I think the other guy just got very lucky; shotgun pellet placement is completely random within the targeting circle, so his shot had just enough pellets clustered together to overwhelm your health. If you had 75 health you probably would have survived.

    Shotguns in general are pretty weak in BF4, certainly weaker than they were in BF3 at a minimum. In BF3 they were a legitimate option. DMRs now seem to have taken their place as the alternative to automatic firearms. Shotguns need a damage buff for balance's sake; they should be the close range version of DMRs.

    As for DMRs, my issue with them is that DICE seems to want to balance them as weapons that can compete with ARs and carbines. To me, that makes no sense. It's like wanting to balance pistols so that a pistol user has just as much chance of winning a firefight as someone using an ACE 23.
     
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    Second Assault will be out on the 18th for premium users.
     

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