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Playoffs/Superbowl thread

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by anlgp, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'll just agree to disagree. I felt the defense was top ten worthy. You do not. Hopefully next season they will perform better.
     
  2. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    LOL..... and we faced weak rookie QBs from Buffalo, NY, and Tampa 4 times where Coyle allowed 21 points on average even though our talented group should've been shutting them out like the first game against the Jets. Coyle's D allowed 20 or more points TWELVE TIMES. Seriously man? That's a joke. If that's not underachieving with our defensive personnel I don't know what is.

    Honestly, why do you feel Miami's D wouldn't have been capable of even better play under a better DC? We were 6th in scoring in 2011 and our D is arguably better now than it was then.
     
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  3. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    So I will take that as a no you don't think so.
     
  4. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    We played them in Miami.

    Either way, I don't see a top 10 defense in Miami. Just my opinion.
     
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  5. sloppyjoer

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    Whelp, I just ate a big pile of crow. Haha. Gratz to the 'Hawks. Wowzers.
     
  6. Anonymous

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    It would have been better under a better defensive coordinator. I never said they wouldn't. Coyle just isn't as bad as you think, IMO. If we can hire a better defensive coordinator, I'm for it. I don't think we can, though.
     
  7. sloppyjoer

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    We spent big bucks in the LB corps and got **** results. We aren't far off from where we need to be.
     
  8. ToddPhin

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    Why? Coyle couldn't get anything out of Dansby in 2012 so what makes you think he would've gotten anything out if him this year?
    2012 Dansby with Coyle.: 1 sack, 0 INT, 0 FF, 0 FR, 9 PD
    2013 Dansby w/o Coyle: 6.5 sack, 4 INT, 1 FF, 1 FR, 19 PD

    Coyle wanted to become a more pressuring D, yet he mustered a measly 1.5 sacks out of Ellerbe/Wheeler who combined for 7.5 sacks the year prior and were ranked among the top pass rush LBs at their respective positions. Add in Dansby's above stats and you get 14 sacks between the 3 LB w/o Coyle compared to 2.5 sacks with him. So not only could he not get as much pressure from his linebackers but he turned the rest of their game into liabilities in the process. Yeah, great job.
     
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  9. Anonymous

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    Dansby was special in Arizona. But he was very good here.

    Ellerbe and Wheeler suck. Coyle's scheme wasn't the problem there. They just aren't very good. At least, they weren't last season.
     
  10. ToddPhin

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    I don't think he's terrible. I think he's ok.... but in this day and age I'm not sure ok is good enough and can sometimes be a liability. I don't think he's bad enough to fire just to do so, but I also wouldn't omit a DC search b/c of him either. We rolled the dice with a first time DC and he didn't prove to be the answer, but he's still ok enough to hold the fort down until we can upgrade it.
     
  11. NaboCane

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    Hey guys, didja hear? The Seahawks won the Super Bowl!!!
     
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  12. Alex44

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    I disagree. Wheeler is actually very good if you don't ask him to play without his eyes to the QB. In zone coverage systems he is a solid LB who can do a lot of things.
     
  13. slickj101

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    If nothing else what everyone should take away from this game is the difference between good tackling and ****ty tackling.

    The SEA defense isn't a mystery of amazing talent in hidden schemes, it's a lot of hard work and grinding.
     
  14. CaribPhin

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    I think you misread that.
     
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  15. dolphindebby

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    Denver played like we did, only they quit playing the first quarter, instead of the second half.
    They just seemed to quit. Lackluster tackling etc.
    I felt bad for Manning.
     
  16. Dolphins1Beatles

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    [video=youtube;hEyKdpsHKy0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEyKdpsHKy0[/video]

    Awesome song, please download! Free on iTunes until tomorrow night, each download gets $$ donated to (RED) to fight AIDS.

    And yes, this commercial was better than the game. Although I was pulling for Seattle, so that worked out. Halftime show was pretty good. Drinks were great. :up:
     
  17. Vertical Limit

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    Honestly the only thing on my mind right now is what a kick in the balls this season was. After a whole season I expect a great game for the Super Bowl and this was far from a great game. The NFL fails to deliver in their big games compared to College Football...

    I want a Tennessee vs St. Louis ending every Super Bowl.
     
  18. MikeHoncho

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    Obscure factoid of the year. Right there.

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
     
  19. Vertical Limit

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    Had no idea Tavares was still in the NFL. Oh well, there's going to be undrafted quarterbacks this year that has more skill than Tavares. Hell there was some undrafted quarterbacks last year with more skill. The guy has some luck to be in an NFL roster, even if he's the last player in it.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    The recipe for me personally and why I wanted Wilson and Kaepernick for that matter, was because I felt that if you could find a Qb that could function an offense yet give you that playmaking trait it would bode well when the pressure of the playoffs and or Super Bowl would increase, to rely on a pocket Qb who relies in precision and timing just wasn't the recipe I wanted to strive for..

    I think what we've seen is just that, when the tension is high, and the rhythm is off, the athletic Qb can manufacture plays on his own to keep his team in the game, also to manufacture plays with athletic ability while learning the game keeps your team competitive at a high level, Russell and Kaepernick have shown you that while still young their pocket abilities are good enough to function, yet their playmaking ability puts their teams over the edge, all the while the timing, rhythm, precision based Qb needs things to go their way to stay effective..

    The recipe was great defense, athletic Qb who CAN throw with some accuracy...championship...

    Mission accomplished.
     
  21. Da 'Fins

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    I thought this was an NFL thread - so why are the Dolphins being discussed?

    I loved that game, btw. LOVED the Seahawks D. Loved that they crushed Manning. I don't think there is anything better than hard-nosed, physical, heavy hitting and explosive football. And that is exactly the brand the Seahawks play. They make Miami's D look like slow motion.

    But, personally, I thought Kam Chancellor should have won MVP. Smith made a huge play with the TD, and a great play, but he was helped by the great pass rush that popped the ball up in the air.

    But, Chancellor. Wow. What a beast!!! They have "beast-mode" on offense and they have "beast-mode" on D. His hits early on; his early interception - I think that just intimidated the Denver receivers. Then his hit on Welker (you had to love that, right?). And, a great tackle on special teams stopping the KR on his own 13.

    Actually, truth be told, if they really wanted to give the most legitimate MVP, they should have given it to the entire Seahawk Defense.

    Another thing that one had to think about was how many of those great players were not first round picks! Shows what you can build when you know what you are doing. They have made a couple of excellent trades (Lynch, Harvin) they made a great signing a couple of years back (Bennett), and great picks after the first round.

    Probably should have looked at Seattle's DC as a HC candidate and Seattle's personnel director as a GM candidate.
     
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  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The problem I see with our defense is the ability to just man up..press man, follow the receivers with your corners and play defense around them..it's all about personnel..zone defense is where the great qbs will eat you up, misdirect you to death, pick you, and deceive you..

    Just find the personnel and man up..
     
  23. djphinfan

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    I'm watching this game on tape..Rusell Wilson is a great qb, he floated his first pass but check out his very next pass, you see him consciously follow thru to the target with authority, he had the senses to understand what he did wrong and changed it mid drive, basically checked himself and settled himself down..

    John fox is a coordinator..
     
  24. djphinfan

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    Defense wins championships..

    Arguably best Qb of all time..4 great weapons relative to their positions..a decent running back..

    Completely dominated.

    Get yourself a 12 the man stadium, build a defense that will get jacked and inspired from that venue, find yourself a playmaking Qb, win championships.
     
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  25. Jt0323

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    Its sad that Tebow outshined Peyton in the Super Bowl
     
  26. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    the super bowl commercials...absolutely disappointing
     
  27. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    The best part of that game last night was that there is a new Transformer movie. Grimlockkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!! Galvatronnnnnnn...Cant wait...

    Well that and when Joe Willy tossed the coin to soon....
     
  28. Da 'Fins

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    2013 - Baltimore 34, SF 31
    2012 - Giants 21, Pats 17
    2011 - Packers 31, Steelers 25
    2010 - Saints 31, Colts 17 (but tight game all the way through, 24-17, Colts driving and an INT return for TD).
    2009 - Steelers 27, Cards 23 (last second TD pass)
    2008 - Giants 17, Pats 14

    Six years in a row of great games. There are times the SB has been a dud, but of late it has been very competitive. Then, of course we have games like 'Bama-LSU that were duds.

    It's all in cycles. Though the NFL is such a pinnacle that it can go south for some teams in a hurry in the big game.

    In the game yesterday, though, the issue was simply one thing: Seattle's Defense was that much better than Denver's offense. Seattle and San Fran are the two most dominant teams in the NFL and are just more physical and powerful than anything the AFC can offer. The Seahawks were also a great matchup for the broncos. The Broncos were not a physical running team but a finesse passing team. That's like a feeding frenzy for a defense like Seattle.
     
  29. Da 'Fins

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    I really haven't seen a great SB commercial in years. I think it's so overhyped it just doesn't work.

    The best one for me was the Seinfeld one. His internet riding in cars show is great and to revitalize with the old Seinfeld show - that was perfect.
     
  30. djphinfan

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    Look at what that defense did to Peyton manning and all those weapons.

    Then try and tell me that Kaepernick isn't a great Qb when he almost beat the same defense at the link.

    Yeah, right..when you have a great defense, your gonna need more than pocket skills to get it done.
     
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  31. TiP54

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    Was in Seattle last nigh when they won. Holy **** what an environment. Had a fantastic ****in time, was incredible. Was very happy for loyal Seattlelites.
     
  32. rafael

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    I think that at a minimum it's too simplistic to say "defense wins championships". The key is passing more efficiently than your opponent. That includes how efficiently you pass and how much you effect the other team's passing efficiency.

    I also think that the SB showed the value of a QB's ability to run. Wilson is not fully developed as a pocket passer yet, but he's still very efficient from the pocket. (Wilson would have had a tougher go in Miami stuck in Sherman/Philbin's pocket centric system). Early on Wilson had a few runs, (a called read-option and a couple of escapes) that picked up key yardage. That impacts the D and changes what they do. If you're scared that the QB will run on you then you limit how much man you play. Then a good QB can pick apart your zone coverage. That's basically been Wilson's game all year. He doesn't have to make as many incredible pocket passes as Miami's scheme forced RT to make. His strength is his decision-making (IMO one of the top 2 characteristics a QB needs). In general Seattle wins when Wilson limits his mistakes and can pick and choose when to make the harder/more risky throw. With that defense and usually decent run game he very rarely has to make those harder/more risky throws. Wilson isn't a great runner, but he's is at least good. That's more than enough to keep a D honest and simplify things for the QB on the passing side. And Wilson is also a good passer. He is more than capable of beating a simplified scheme if a D sells out to stop the run and contain a QB in the pocket.

    On the other hand, Manning is a great pocket passer. He doesn't have the arm he once had. (It was never great, but it's still a shell of what it once was). But he's still great decision-maker from the pocket. He just doesn't have that extra option to run like Wilson does. That lets the D tee off at a point behind the center and gives them the flexibility to run whatever coverage they want. In the game both running backs were generally stuffed, DT and Thomas were generally successful, but Seattle was able to get pressure on a stationary target and Manning had to throw into tighter windows. That resulted in many of the turnovers that made the game a rout.

    In summary, the SB showed that a great pocket passer, decision-maker that can't run will be trumped by great decision-maker that is at least good (but not necessarily great) at every other aspect of playing QB. Maybe if Manning had a great arm he could have made the D pay on some longer passes. IMO there were some holes down the deep sidelines on whatever side Sherman wasn't playing. A QB with a stronger arm could have capitalized there. But the lack of a running threat from the QB position makes everything harder on the passing QB. A QB like CKap could have made Seattle pay for their man coverage by escaping on some runs and slowed down the pass rush with some called QB runs. CKap could also threaten the deep sidelines with his strong arm. I don't think CKap is as developed from the pocket as Wilson even, but he still makes the D cover the whole field (just not on every play). The future is brightest for the complete QB. That means a QB that is a great decision-maker that can run and be at least a good passer from the pocket. If he is also a great passer from the pocket all the better. Wilson may still become a great passer as well. He has enough arm strength and his accuracy is good. He had about a five game stretch this year where his accuracy was a bit sketchy. He seemed to force a few too many passes and didn't hit enough small windows for me to consider him a great passer, but when he can pick and choose he's shown the passing ability to make great throws. As he develops that side of his game, there's no limit to what he can accomplish. If at some future point that D is gutted by FA or injury, he may have to carry the team more than he had to this year. I don't believe he could have done it under those circumstances this year, but I do believe he can develop into that in the future. He's just too good of a leader and too good of a decision maker to doubt that he'll do anything but get better.
     
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  33. jdang307

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    Carson Palmer beat them.

    Seattle has a great defense but people are overrating them. Peyton has always had clunkers in the playoffs. Pedestrian defenses have beaten Peyton. Let's not forget that.

    The one year Peyton wins a super bowl he starts the offseason he throws 3 TDs and 7 INTs. His own defense bailed him out.

    We keep hearing about the new era in the NFL but I keep seeing great defenses kick arse year after year.
     
  34. Silverphin

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    Optimus Prime riding Grimlock while the latter is in Beast Mode and the former has his sword drawn is pure win.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    Remember those debates we had with many folks.



    "Those types will not get it done"...their a fad...pocket qbs rule"....paraphrasing of course...not.

    People back then didn't realize it wasn't just about finding an athlete, it was about finding a functional athletic Qb from the pocket with elite escapability talent..basically the sacrifice of one dept because of the importance of the other.

    They never gave credit to the process or vision.
     
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    Super Bowl XLVIII: Seattle Seahawks destroy Denver Broncos – brick-by-brick video

    [video=youtube;EIJyoe1fFk8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIJyoe1fFk8[/video]
     
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