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Ted Wells Report on Incognito / Martin released

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    But the NFL is not a traditional job. This isn't an office or a department store. Things happen everyday in the NFL that wouldn't be allowed to happen at any normal job.

    Not saying it's right or wrong but it is what it is. Being in the NFL just isn't the same as being an accountant or a cashier.
     
  2. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    sure, alot of them were coke heads and crazy, but even they didnt go to the extent of being racist towards each other. aikman had articles about him being gay by skip bayless, i bet no one in that locker room called him a fa**ot. even, the guys on the bottom of the totem pole, no one called them ni**ers or ch*nks. those cowboy locker rooms were wide open to reporters...i think we would have known if that was happening.
     
  3. Fin D

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    It is ridiculous to call that cowardice. This is a multi million dollar company whose entire product is competition. For Philbin to field a less competitive team because of some matter that was legally settled already is not brave.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    People got stabbed in that locker room. Stabbed. Players races, sexuality, wives, moms all got called out.
     
  5. Jimmy James

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    That's true, but it's a lot more like any other job than it is high school antics. It's a job where you're famous and you get coddled and laid and whatever else, but it's work. You have to have focus on what you have to do to keep your job or you will lose it.
     
  6. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Im just wondering....

    What about freedom of speech? Now I have to watch how I talk to my friends ....and how I text them, because...it could come back to being used against me at some point?

    People talk out their asses all the time saying **** like that. Ive said crap that if I literally did it....would be deemed psychotic. But it was just hot air. I cant believe we are going through their conversations with a fine toothed comb, and act like we are suprised by what was said.
     
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  7. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ah, gotcha. If you're keeping score, then, no... I've never danced solo at work. Surprisingly. I do quote Louis C.K.'s jokes, though.
     
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  8. Kucha

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    Pouncey and Turner have to go.
     
  9. Jimmy James

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    You have the right to say what you want without the government keeping you from saying it (for the most part...you can't yell fire in a crowded theater or produce child pornography, as notable exceptions).

    You don't have the right to talk **** about your coworker or a customer or anybody else without fear your employer will fire you.
     
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  10. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    ditka was their incognito? he was a racist azzhole who bullied teammates?
     
  11. Larry Little

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    I must just be a terrible person, because I see nothing wrong with this. Two guys that feel betrayed by someone they thought was their friend, and they're angry.
     
  12. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    They werent any more wide open to reporters then ours are. How do you KNOW any of this....all youve said in everything youve written is nothing more then your angry assumptions. You havent got the foggiest idea what takes place in any locker room....in fact...have you ever PLAYED sports and been in a locker room?
     
  13. slickj101

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    The racist that somehow Mike Pouncey is friends with? Even when he says n***** in front of him?
     
  14. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Im sorry....Incognito did some ****ty ****ty things, and hes definitely guilty of being a grade A meat head, but I dont think the gay is racist one bit.
     
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  15. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    yes i've played college ball and coached it. this is what i'm basing my argument on along with what other pros have said on national tv. now, your turn. what are your credentials? how do you KNOW this happens in every locker room? perhaps you are just spouting nonsense to try to justify this dumb shyt.
     
  16. djphinfan

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    I don't care how old someone is, or what profession there in, all walks of people are emotionally scarred and vulnerable, especially when you've never walked a day in their shoes, suicide happens all the time by kids and adults who were bullied and by people who are homophobes, it is your job as a good human being to see the signs, have some sympathy for those who might be susceptible to this kind of hazing..

    Unfortunately cognition is too stupid, and Pouncey is to much of a wuss to think for himself..

    All Martin had to do to stop was lose it one time and get in their face, he couldn't muster up the courage, that's sad to me...and yet, they kept coming and coming..

    " great, I can't wait to come and be demeaned by you all"
     
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  17. Jimmy James

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    Tell me that's a typo. :lol:
     
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  18. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    there are blacks in the kkk. racists can hang with racists.
     
  19. Triggercut

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    with freedom comes responsibility. These brutes should be shamed for their behavior and ashamed for thinking it was somehow "ok" to act this way.
     
  20. Rocky Raccoon

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    To me this is just a couple guys crossing a line and taking things too far.

    I don't believe they were trying to harm anyone.
     
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  21. Jimmy James

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    With Martin, sure. With the trainer, I think it went way too far and they're not entitled to that defense.
     
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  22. Mk2

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    Well if you condone saying to someone that you want to pull a train on their sister and rape their mother at the same time then maybe you are not that good of a person.
     
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  23. Deerless Dice

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    Garner said he had been dealing with it for 6 years. Incognito didn't show up until 2011. That means the OL Unit was like this when Parcells took over. Richie, being the defacto OL veteran (thanks Ireland) took it to another level.
     
  24. His'nBeatYour'n

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    Yet, with all this going on and a roster built by a GM whose most popular description is "sucks" this team went 8-8.

    The truth is that while this may not occur in every locker room, it occurs in plenty. You only know about the Dolphins locker room because Jonathan Martin couldn't handle it.
     
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  25. slickj101

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    Ok, Clayton Bigsby.

    I don't think you realize that someone who uses a racist slur doesn't have to be a racist.
     
  26. Deerless Dice

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    It's certiainly a heat of moment text exchange. I think it makes Incognito looks worse because he was being all nice nice with Martin while sending these texts to Pouncey at the same time.
     
  27. slickj101

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    Which is funny bc nobody knew about Garner til now and it'd been 6 years.

    Goes to show you a lot happens that nobody knows.
     
  28. DePhinistr8

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    Exhibit A

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  29. vt_dolfan

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    I played sports all the way through high school, as well as work in a very "male" shop type of atmosphere. I never said it happens in every locker room. I just said..you were making an assumption saying it didnt. And Im not justifying it. Theres just nothing here worth getting worked up all over again. We knew there was some crazy stuff said...and done. How is any of this new?

    I do agree with CK the harrasment of the staff member was a completely different topic, and to be quite honest with you, its getting drowned out by alot of other stuff. Millionaires doing this crap to each other ...teammates..is one thing. This staffer wasnt a friend of Incognitos. They should be treated as seperate issues in my opinion, and any punishments handed out...should be most harsh in regards to the staffer.
     
  30. Mk2

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    You are right, most people sticking up for Incog-doofus and Pouncey and Jerry just have not read the entire report, the Martin portion of it feels like the tip of the iceberg now.
     
  31. vt_dolfan

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    Hey I wanted to know if his sister was hot after I read she squirted...does that make me a bad person? **** I even googled Jonathan Martins sister to see if their was a pic....
     
  32. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    Agreed. But what about the exchange is so damning in and of itself?
     
  33. Deerless Dice

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    Freedom of Speech protects you from the government. You're allowed to say whatever you want, just as the people who hear you are allowed to respond to it however they want. Freedom of speech isn't a part of this case in any way, shape, or form.
     
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  34. Jimmy James

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    The talk of physical violence against Martin for "snitching".

    I know how the jail works (quite well). I don't find it acceptable for the same rule to govern the locker room of a NFL team.
     
  35. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    im not getting worked up. im was just debating what someone wrote that this happens everywhere. i bet it doesnt and gave reasons why i think this way. you decided to jump in and ask for my credentials. i gave them. if you disagree with what i said, fine. but if you go into attack mode, so will i.
     
  36. King Felix

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    Anyone saying incognito is not racist is blindly ignoring the treatment of the trainer. Pouncey and jerry are racist too
     
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  37. Jimmy James

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    Excellent point.

    I think people saying hes not racist are talking about racism against black people. I am not convinced on that topic, but it is true a lot of black people have vouched that he isn't racist toward them.
     
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  38. phinswolverinesrockets

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    this.
     
  39. His'nBeatYour'n

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    Is repeating some gangster cliche the same as actually discussing violent retaliation?

    Is discussing violent retaliation the same as intending violent retaliation?

    I see two knuckleheads declaring to each other how tough each other still are.
     
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  40. vt_dolfan

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    On this point I agree a thousand fold!
     
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