Don Shula --- who will join Tony Dungy, Dan Marino, Jason Taylor and Curtis Martin on a Dolphins committee that will formulate a locker-room code of conduct --- says Dolphins veterans should no longer be permitted to make rookies pay for a $30,000 dinner at Prime 112, as they did with defensive rookies last season. "That's ridiculous," Shula said. "It's not right. Why should they have to do that? Our rookie hazing was just playful stuff, but I don't remember any incident that was uncomfortable or out of line. This is carrying it too far. Everybody has to get back to common sense and don't do anything that causes any longterm harm or ill feelings." Though Rams offensive tackle Jake Long wasn’t on the Dolphins last season and wasn’t identified by name in Ted Wells’ report, a Dolphins player said it was disappointing Long never told Richie Incognito to stop acting the way he did toward Jonathan Martin and Nate Garner and others, because Incognito looked up to Long and might have taken it to heart. But at least Long didn’t harass Martin, unlike Mike Pouncey. Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...-fins-heat-marlins-chatter.html#storylink=cpy
What? Why Curtis Martin? **** that guy (not personally, I'm sure he's a decent human being despite being a Jet all those years) Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
Beacause Ross is a clueless bozo and doesn't get that we the fans DETEST that guy. He's is such a moron.
Gotta remember Ross tried to buy the Jets before he became the Dolphins owner. He lives/works in New York, and despite the Dolphins-Jets rivalry, Martin is a stand-up guy and that's probably what Ross sees on a surface level. That being said, he's talked about this committee before. I don't think they've done anything to this point.
No one in that "committee" will do anything major, they're just laughing that Ross actually wired them some money for this stupid idea that no other team in all sports has.
I can care less if the fans detest him or not. If having him on the committee will curtail the BS that's been going on in the locker room, then I'm all for it.
Likely won't. This is just PR as far as I'm concerned. The way to fix it is to actually acquire talent that can be kept long enough to lead your team (See: Franchise players). Don't try and sell me that you can bring outside officials to police your locker room, Mr. Ross. That's bull ****.
Wow I can see all the star players pounding down the door to come and play here. This mess will cost the Dolphins years worth of talented players. If the owner feels a "committee" is necessary, what message does that send. Do you guys think that the price just went down to attract talent? Attracting talent to Miami was going to be hard enough. The only way this changes is with Philbin coaching somewhere else.
Philbin didn't bully anybody. It is Pouncey who needs to be moved, and Jim Turner should have been fired months ago, more for incompetence than bullying, but nonetheless; it amazes me that he remains on staff.
As for Philbin, a lot of players like him personally. What you don’t hear are words such as "innovative" or "dynamic leader." One player complained that teams take on the personality of their coach and said because Philbin is flat and unemotional, the team too often plays like that. That has become a serious concern, but it goes beyond Philbin’s lack of motivational skills. Another said his personality better fits a coordinator. “Players don’t see him as a really good X’s and O’s guy,” said one of the players’ close associates. “He’s just an organizational guy who’s on top of the scheduling and planning.” A prominent network analyst who asked not to be named said Ross was fooled if he thought he was getting an offensive savant in Philbin. “His background is offensive line,” the analyst said, adding that Philbin wasn’t the coach primarily developing Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. (And we all know how this offensive line turned out.) When asked last year what he likes about a particular player (Chris Clemons), Philbin said: “He keeps his mouth [shut].” Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...eat-chatter-umluke-problem.html#storylink=cpy Would you want to play for that coach if you were a prized free agent with multiple options? I wouldn't.
I agree with Shula. Screw the boys will be boys attitude. Get back to common sense and professionalism. You don't have some inalienable right to behave like this.
when will MR. Ross pull his head out of his *** and stop forming a committee for everything he needs to be a owner and get away from all this counsel and committee crap . i am surprised Ross hasn't given away all our draft picks to our AFC EAST RIVIALS . i also think we should release the entire defensive line and clean up the the roster.
Well, for one thing it kind of deflects responsibility from him. Instead of all this change the world, change the mentality of the locker rooms of sports kind of stuff, all he had to do or has to do is change one locker room, his own. And Philbin let him down, he screwed the pooch on this one. Not only should he have known at least somewhat what the situation was, Martin's father gave him a direct head's up and Philbin has no excuse for not at least monitoring the situation.
I agree the change needs to begin in the locker room with the character and the attitude of the players. If some of the crap that's been going on had happened under Shula he would have blown a gasket. He would have been mad at some coaches as well for not having a handle on things. I disagree with some who said it was not the coaches responsibility to help enforce a code of conduct among the players. I do wonder about Philbin's belief that players should keep their mouth shut. A true leader in the locker room is going to be vocal and help keep the younger players in line, but not through intimidation and being abusive.
Worst part about this is that we had the worst offensive line in the NFL, literally. Anyone who thinks this behavior is tolerable, trust me when I say Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas were ****ing HITMEN on the field, tougher than any offensive linemen we have now and they did not act like animals in the locker room nor off the field. You would think this offensive line was any good at what they do to behave like this. THEY WERE ALL ****. Including Pouncey at various parts of the season. **** WITH A CAPITAL S. A collective pile of crap. Instead of harassing your own teammates, how about you all learn to run block or pass protect for your quarterback and start harassing some defensive linemen you ****s. Oh I'm so glad we're replacing each one of them. **** them all, they were so terrible at football and they're terrible human beings on top of it.
not that I don't agree here but how is the organization going to "police" events that occur off the facility? if the vets gather the rooks and they all go out is Philbin gonna chaperone? just curious... just seems to me we are casting nets now and scrutinizing every little thing we drag in.
Under Shula, none of this would have happened. It simply wouldn't have. Because Shula was, above all, a real leader. No coach under Shula would have permitted the **** that went on among the OL unit to occur, because the culture was football, not being an *** hole; the culture was winning, not getting hapless rookies to pay for your ****. And because when anything did go awry on Shula's Dolphins, you had to come face-to-face with The Jaw and try to explain yourself—coach or player. Philbin? I keep hearing that players like Philbin. Well, they might like him but it's the way kids like a substitute teacher because they can get away with murder. I wonder what will happen this season; if the team performs reasonably well, then Philbin gets an extension and fat cash from the clueless Ross. But what does that do long-term? Has Philbin learned anything from any of this? The answer is clear, and it lies in the fact that Jim Turner is still employed by the Miami Dolphins, and will remain so under Philbin's auspices until the league forces the team to dismiss him. So, no—Philbin hasn't learned ONE ****ING THING from any of this. NOTHING. And we are likely ****ed for years to come, unless the team tanks next season; and it has to be bad enough that the clueless owner for whom several consecutive losing seasons was not enough reason to fire a GM that everyone else knew needed to be fired.
If the Dolphins organization was a Navy ship, and this Hazing crap happened, guarantee the skipper, xo, command master chief, and department head would be fired, the division officer and chief wouldn't make another rank and be force out. Even if the front office (skipper, xo, cmc) weren't directly involved they would be fired because that is their responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen. No matter how much you like the guy or think philbin is a good coach, he is responsible for what happened and should be fired. The same for the line coach.
so, so very true. like i said when we first learned about this committee, its pathetic that we're the only team in the league that has to hire a committee to coach our head coach on how to control his locker room. its embarrassing. this is basic stuff that a junior high coach knows.
love ya Joe but some things happened not only right under Shula's nose but the nations nose as well. lolol http://dangerousdan.us/?p=1239
Shula had zero control over Jake Scott. Jake Scott did exactly whatever it was Jake Scott wanted to do. And if you think crazy **** didn't happen with guys like Czonka, Kiik, Morris, et all, you're simply rewriting history.
Well Sunshine, 4 of the starters are UFAs. You cannot release someone who is not under contract. You just don't resign them. However, I do not see McKinnie and Clabo are part of the locker room culture problem.
Oh, I do. I think they saw what was happening in the locker room and went along with it without problem as long as they weren't getting it. I'd release not only Pouncy but Hartline as well, in addition to any other player that spoke up during this controversy in support of Incognito. This report makes it clear that this issue isn't limited to the OL group. It's a team-wide locker room culture problem and all of them should be removed. In addition to the coaching staff, obviously. The only questions that I have are twofold: 1) Specifically to the Dolphins - why didn't Clabo face this same sort of torment? He was the WORST member of the OL, worse than JMart, worse than even the other two guards who were also playing like complete garbage. Remember that JMart wasn't benched. He was moved back to RT because the only upgrade to the OL that was available was McKinney and he was strictly a LT. Why didn't Clabo freak out? He was the one who actually got benched. Why wasn't he getting bullied the same way as JMart and the others? Is it because a few years back he went to the Pro Bowl. In fact, he'd have been the only member of the OL that had a Pro Bowl pedigree. Did that provide protection from the others despite his utterly horrific play? 2) Is this something that is specific to the Dolphins locker room or is it "boys will be boys" and it happens everywhere? Considering that no NFL player or coach has condoned this and said this is just par for the course, (in fact nobody but Charles Barkley has said this was OK and he didn't play in the NFL and hasn't played in Pro Sports since they've made hybrid vehicles), and in fact the opposite - everybody has said this has never happened before leads me to believe this isn't a case of "how normal NFL locker rooms act" and JMart was just too much of a wuss to handle it.
Did you listen to what McKinnie said about it all on Sports Bang? Clabo was not bullied because he is a 10 yr veteran and former Pro Bowler. He graded better than Martin, Jerry, or McKinnie too over the course of the season. He wasn't the only one who'd been there. McKinnie and Incognito have been to the Pro Bowl too.
How long was McKinnie on the team before JMartin bailed? Was it even a week? And I'd like to see your stats on how Clabo graded out better than Martin Jerry or Mckinnie. The last stats I saw from football focus showed how Clabo, Incognito and Jerry all graded equal to or lower than Martin, yet these are the chuckleheads that were on the leadership council and running the locker room. And if memory serves me right, Incognito only made the pro bowl once.. after the 2012 season, which was JMartin's rookie season. So Incognito was not a Pro Bowler when he started this chaos.
You have no idea what you're talking about. And if you'll remember, Jake Scott got dumped to Washington because he was a pain in Shula's rear. Back in the day Dolphins players did hazing like tying guys up to a tree with tape, the famous crocodile incident, harmless stuff like that. The kind of crap that we saw last year- by all accounts that never happened, and for you to say otherwise is bogus and an insult to Don Shula. Shula kept a sharp eye out- one example is what he did before a big away game one year: he told the players to stay in and rest, and to make sure that they did he gave the elevator operator of the hotel a team football, and asked him to have any player going out late to sign it as a souvenir. Those who did outed themselves as breakers of the curfew, and they caught major sh** from Shula the next morning at the team meeting. Shula had his eye out, and had his coached keep their eyes out, too. If Jonathan Martin's father came to Shula and said look out for my kid, there's big trouble here, you can bet that Shula would have done just that, not the duh, what happened routine from Philbin. If you want some flavor as to what really happened to Jake Scott and how Shula handled/disposed of him, read this great article from Dave Hyde about their relationship over the years and what eventually became of Jake Scott. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...defensive-lineman-manny-fernandez-front-porch
that was the point to what Fin D was saying, he had no control over Jake Scott and sent him packing. Philbin tried to do the same with both JMart and Cogs but was rebuffed by Ireland.
First of all, Jake Scott was the epitome of a free spirit, but it's not as if he was running around out of control under Shula's nose. He pushed the limits, especially for back then in the 70's, and he was eventually sent packing. Quite a shame, he was a great player. Scott was argumentative, stubborn and strong willed, but not the bullying moron that Incognito was. As to Philbin, even if he wanted to get rid of Incognito and couldn't, he still owed it to Martin, his father and the team to at least keep an eye out and check in on the situation. He whiffed completely and then played the incredulous "who, me?" game. Never would have happened under Shula in the same situation. Philbin screwed the pooch, big time.
it's funny but making the rookies pay 30,000 dollar tabs was the only thing i had a problem with. seems like that was shula's biggest gripe too since its the only example he mentioned
oh I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was Philbins responsibility to babysit Jonathan Martin. I can spin this the other way and I will, this all could have been avoided if Martin had stepped up in ANY way and taken care of this. Philbin didn't screw the pooch because it wasn't his job to follow everyone one of them around and police them, monitor their communications with each other. and you are right this wouldn't have happened under Shula's watch because things are different from then to now. Philbin isn't Shula but that doesn't make him bad either.
Tim Bowens was packed and ready to leave over hazing. The key difference is that Shula at least found out before he left and put a stop to the hazing right that minute. It starts with your coaches having a pulse on your players. Also, when a new leadership panel is created I would like to see an old timer be around and be part of that council. Zach or J.T. etc. An old timer that even if a player feels uncomfortable going to his teammates......they should feel fine to go to an adviser type former player.
No, you have no idea what I'm talking about. I was going to link that article because it proves my point. The only real difference here is that Philbin did not have the power to get rid of Cogs, because he would have.
Poor attempt at exaggeration. Shula would have kept an eye out and made sure that the situation was monitored by assistant coaches and staff as well. Nobody said anything about babysitting.
Uh, sure, you do that. Even though Ireland stuck Philbin with Incognito Philbin still, as the team's head coach, had a responsibility to make sure that the situation was under control. It wasn't, obviously. Philbin's lack of leadership and head coaching experience showed big time in this whole mess. Lucky for him that he's a personal favorite of the team's owner.
Does this mean you agree that Shula didn't have the mythical absolute control of the locker room like you guys are pretending or not? You seem to be glossing over it.
What Shula had was control over the locker room. "Mythical absolute control" are just exaggerating words from someone like you because your basic point is full of hot air.
Shula imposed discipline, from the twelve-minute run at the opening of training camp to showing players he didn't like the door. He could do it because he was a proven winner and the owner was 100% behind him, so that the players and assistant coaches had to respect him. Different times, different powers, different cred. Philbin has neither the experience, nor the track record, nor the cred, nor the respect necessary to do what Shula did. It's unfair to Philbin to make the comparison, but he's clearly no Don Shula. Still, he doesn't have to be. Some people learn from adversity and work hard to succeed. I wish him luck.
