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We need Sam ..we need Sam..we need Sam !!!!

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  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Not to you, because there's nothing else I can say that hasn't already been said at least twice.
     
  2. ToddPhin

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    If it doesn't teach it, infer it, or suggest it, then what leads Christians like Triggercut to make statements like these [below] which are commonly shared by millions of other Christians? I'm sorry but it's heavily beyond coincidence. The Bible acts to teach Christians does it not? I mean, isn't that the foundation of what everything is based on? So if Christians believe the Bible condemns gays, which they do believe, then essentially the Bible has taught them to persecute gays. Seriously, are you gonna pretend to ignore the phonebook sized list of times a Christian has said "God doesn't like gays" or that "God created Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve"? Where does it stem from? It sure as heck isn't an innate human response, and you don't hear Atheists or Deists running around saying it.
     
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  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you have represented the Christian faith well on these boards. You have nothing to be sorry about
     
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  4. FinNasty

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    I honestly can't follow the jump you're making. Teaching right from wrong is completely different than teaching to persecute. Especially when it teaches you not to judge others with the very passage you quoted earlier. Just b/c someone doesn't agree with something doesn't mean they are judging the person and it especially doesn't mean that they persecute people that disagree with their views. Sure, there may be some out there that do such things... but that doesn't mean that they're doing it b/c the religion has taught and instructed them to do so.
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    In an earlier post, I included a quote by Gore Vidal, which is part of a much longer piece, that all in all IMO says it as well as anyone could say it. Written in 1998, most if not all still true today.

    The great unmentionable evil at the center of our culture is monotheism. From a barbaric Bronze Age text known as the Old Testament, three anti-human religions have evolved--Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. These are sky-god religions. They are, literally, patriarchal--God is the Omnipotent Father--hence the loathing of women for 2,000 years in those countries afflicted by the sky-god and his earthly male delegates. The sky-god is a jealous god, of course. He requires total obedience from everyone on earth, as he is not just in place for one tribe, but for all creation. Those who would reject him must be converted or killed for their own good. Ultimately, totalitarianism is the only sort of politics that can truly serve the sky-god's purpose. Any movement of a liberal nature endangers his authority and those of his delegates on earth. One God, one King, one Pope, one master in the factory, one father-leader in the family at home.

    The founders of the United States were not enthusiasts of the sky-god. Many, like Jefferson, rejected him altogether and placed man at the center of the world. The young Lincoln wrote a pamphlet against Christianity, which friends persuaded him to burn. Needless to say, word got around about both Jefferson and Lincoln, and each had to cover his tracks. Jefferson said that he was a deist, which could mean anything or nothing, while Lincoln, hand on heart and tongue in cheek, said he could not support for office anyone who "scoffed" at religion.

    From the beginning, sky-godders have always exerted great pressure in our secular public. Also, evangelical Christian groups have always drawn strength from those who have been suppressed economically. African slaves were allowed to organize sky-god churches, as a surrogate for earthly freedom. White churches were organized in order to make certain that the rights of property were respected and that the numerous religious taboos in the New and Old Testaments would be enforced, if necessary, by civil law. The ideal to which John Adams subscribed--that we would be a nation of laws, not of men--was quickly subverted when the churches forced upon everyone, through those supposedly neutral and just laws, their innumerable taboos on sex, alcohol, gambling. We are now indeed a nation of laws, mostly bad and certainly anti-human.

    Roman Catholic migrations in the last century further re-enforced the Puritan sky-god. The Church has also put itself on a collision course with the Bill of Rights when it asserts, as it always has, that "error has no rights." The last correspondence between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson expressed their alarm that the Jesuits were to be allowed into the United States. Although the Jews were sky-god folks, they followed Book One, not Book Two, so they have no mission to convert others; rather the reverse. Also, as they have been systematically demonized by the Christian sky-godders, they tended to be liberal and so turned not to their temple but to the ACLU. Unfortunately, the recent discovery that the sky-god, in his capacity as realtor, had given them, in perpetuity, some parcels of unattractive land called Judea and Sumeria has, to my mind, unhinged many of them. I hope this is temporary.

    In the First Amendment to the Constitution, the founders made it clear that this was not to be a sky-god nation with a national religion like that of England from whom we had just separated. It is curious how little understood this amendment is--yes, everyone has a right to worship any god he chooses but he does not have the right to impose his beliefs on others who do not happen to share in his superstitions and taboos. This separation is absolute in our original republic. But the sky-godders do not give up easily. In the 1950s they actually got the phrase "In God We Trust" onto the currency, in direct violation of the First Amendment. Although many of the Christian evangelists feel it necessary to convert everyone on earth to their primitive religion, they have been prevented--so far--from enforcing others to worship as they do but they have forced--most tyrannically and wickedly--their superstitions and hatreds upon all of us, through the civil law and through general prohibitions. So it is upon that account that I now favor an all-out war on the monotheists.

    Let us dwell upon the evils that they have wrought. The hatred of the blacks comes straight from their Bad Book. As descendants of Ham, blacks are forever accursed while St. Paul tells the slaves to obey their masters. Racism is in the marrow of the bone of the true believer. For him, black is forever inferior to white and deserves whatever ill-fortune may come his way. The fact that some monotheists can behave charitably means, often, that their prejudice is at so deep a level that they are not aware that it is there at all. In the end, this makes any radical change of attitude impossible. Meanwhile, welfare has been the price the sky-godders were willing to pay to exclude blacks from their earthly political system. So we must live--presumably forever--with a highly enervating race war set in train by the one God and his many hatreds.

    Patriarchal rage at the thought of Woman ever usurping Man's place at the helm, in either home or workplace, is almost as strong now as it ever was. According to the polls, most American women took the side of Clarence Thomas against Anita Hill. But then the sky-god's fulminations against women are still very much part of the psyche of those in thrall to the Jealous God.

    The ongoing psychopathic hatred of same-sex sexuality has made the United States the laughingstock of the civilized world. In most of the First World, monotheism is weak. Where it is weak or nonexistent, private sexual behavior has nothing at all to do with anyone else, much less with the law. At least when the Emperor Justinian, a sky-god man, decided to outlaw sodomy, he had to come up with a good practical reason, which he did. It is well known, Justinian declared, that buggery is a principal cause of earthquake and so must be prohibited. But our sky-godders, always eager to hate, still quote Leviticus, as if that loony text had anything useful to say about anything, except perhaps the inadvisability of eating shellfish in the Jerusalem area.

    We are now slowly becoming alarmed at the state of the planet. For a century, we have been breeding like a virus under optimum conditions and now the virus has begun to attack its host, the earth. The lower atmosphere is filled with dust, we have just been told from space. The climate changes; earth and water are poisoned. Sensible people grow alarmed but sky-godders are serene, even smug. The planet is just a staging area for Heaven. Why bother to clean it up? Unfortunately for everyone, Mr. Bush's only hope of winning in the coming election is to appeal to the superstitious. So he refuses to commit our government to the great clean-up partly because it affects the incomes of the 100 corporate men and women who pay for him and largely because of the sky-god who told his slaves "to be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Well, we did just like you told us, massa. We've used everything up. We're ready for heaven now. Or maybe Mars will do.

    Ordinarily, as a descendant of that eighteenth-century enlightenment which shaped our republic, I would say live and let live, and I would try not to "scoff"--to use Lincoln's verb--at the monotheists. But I am not allowed to ignore them. They won't let me. They are too busy. They have a divine mission to take away our rights as private citizens. We are forbidden abortion here, gambling there, same-sex almost everywhere, drugs everywhere, alcohol in a dry county. Our prisons are the most terrible in the First World and the most crowded. Our Death Row executions are a source of deep disgust in civilized countries where more and more we are regarded as a primitive, uneducated, and dangerous people. Although we are not allowed, under law, to kill ourselves or to take drugs that the good folk think might be bad for us, we are allowed to buy a handgun and shoot as many people as we can get away with.

    Now, as poor Arthur--"there is this pendulum"--Schlesinger, Jr. would say, these things come in cycles. Every 20 years liberal gives way to conservative, and back again. But I suggest that what is wrong now is not cyclic but systemic. And our system, like any system, is obeying the second law of thermodynamics: Everything is running down; and we are well advanced along the yellow brick road to entropy. I don't think that much of anything can be done to halt this progress under our present political-economic system. We lost poor Arthur's pendulum in 1950 when our original constitution was secretly replaced with the apparatus of the national security state that still wastes most of our tax money on war or war-related matters. Hence, deteriorating schools, and so on. For some years, I have proposed that we hold a constitutional convention on the ground that it would be better to get the whole business out in the open for discussion. Unfortunately, every one of us has been conditioned by school and pulpit and media to believe that the original constitution is perfect even though it no longer functions except as a sort of totem like the flag. Congress no longer declares war or makes budgets. So that's the end of the constitution as a working machine. The thoughtful are also afraid that if the religious folk could review and revise the constitution, all our liberties would go. Certainly, they will try. But I don't think they'll win. Madison's iron law of oligarchy is too strong. The Few, presumably enlightened about their rights, will guide the Many, as usual. In any case, it is better to lose our rights dramatically at a convention--thus provoking civil war--than to lose them gradually and furtively, as we are now losing them.

    Another of our agreed-upon fantasies is that we do not have a class system in the United States. The Few who control the Many through Opinion have simply made themselves invisible. They have convinced us that we are a classless society where anyone can make it. Ninety percent of our newspaper stories are about winners of lotteries or poor boys and girls who, despite adenoidal complaints, become overnight millionaire singers. So there is still hope, the press tells the folks, for the 99% who will never achieve wealth no matter how hard they work. We are also warned at birth that it is not polite to hurt other people's feelings by criticizing their religion even though that religion may be damaging everyone through the infiltration of our common laws. Happily, the Few can not disguise the bad times through which we are all going. Word is spreading that America is now falling behind in the civilization sweepstakes. So isn't it time to discuss what we really think and feel about our social and economic arrangements?

    The authors of a recent book, The Day Americans Told the Truth, gave it a try. Unfortunately, they revealed that 92% of those polled confessed to being habitual liars. This is a bit like the oldest recorded joke: a citizen on the island of Crete said, "All Cretans are liars." Proposition: is what he said true or false? So the book's information on attitudes may not be useful. But the pollsters should have examined the reason why people are so frightened that they must habitually lie about their true feelings and thoughts. Tocqueville suspected that the instinctive tyranny of the American majority would produce a terrified conformity. He seems to have been right. Certainly, nothing of any importance may be discussed in our political life.

    Even today, with two anti-establishment candidates in the field, only Brown has begun to examine the amount of money that the national security state siphons out of the economy to pay for Pentagon, CIA, SDI--as well as the potential cost of the latest scenarios of possible upcoming wars in the future. Though the specifics of these wars are absurd, the implications are grim: because the Ownership will make those wars happen, as they always do, whether comically in Grenada or tragically in Vietnam. War is all that they know and all that they care about, because through the demonizing of this or that enemy they can keep the money flowing to them--while depriving the people at large of all those things that other First World people possess--from schools to health care. Now the war budget is the only subject for a political campaign at the end of what has not turned out to be the American century after all. In fact, the year 2000 will not only mark the end of American primacy but the end of the hegemony of the white race. We shall comprise about 16% of the world's population in eight years. Let us hope that the other tribes, particularly those of Asia, in their triumph, do not treat us as badly as we have treated them.

    Although we may not discuss race other than to say that Jesus wants each and every one of us for a sunbeam, history is nothing more than the bloody record of the migration of tribes. When the white race broke out of Europe 500 years ago, it did many astounding things all over the globe. Inspired by a raging sky-god, the whites were able to pretend that their conquests were in order to bring the One God to everyone, particularly those with older and subtler religions. Now the tribes are on the move again. Professor Pendulum is having a nervous breakdown because so many different tribes are arriving to live here and so far not one has had time to read The Age of Jackson. I think the taking in of everybody can probably be overdone. There may not be enough jobs for too many more immigrants though what prosperity we have ever enjoyed in the past was usually based on slave or near-slave labor--new arrivals who would work in the sweatshops much as they do today in every restaurant kitchen. No wonder the Ownership has always denied us a strong labor movement and that the 14% of the work force that is organized is constantly demonized as tools of the Soviet Union of yesteryear or of the Mafia today.

    On the other hand, I think Asiatics and Hispanics are a plus culturally, and their presence tends to refocus, somewhat, the relentless white versus black war. Where I am as one with my friend Pendulum is that the newcomers must grasp certain principles as expressed in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. Otherwise, we shall become a racially divided state like the old South Africa, while enjoying, of course, the new Brazilian economy.

    For 30 years I have drawn attention to the fact that we do not have political parties in the United States. This always caused distress among the media who are in place to make us think that we have a choice every four years to elect a president who will represent the people at large. Instead, we get someone like Bush whose only program, other than war, is cutting the capital gains tax, the price demanded of him by his 100 angels and their friends. I am happy that, finally, my views have begun to seep into the public debate. Even the dullest newspaper reporter now agrees that there isn't a lot of difference between Democrats and Republicans. Also my idea of limiting election campaigns to six weeks has been noted favorably, while there was actually a discussion on the admirable Crier's program that if networks and cable and radio were to give free time for the candidates they would not need to raise so much crooked money. Sad to say, my noblest cause--the taxation of all religions--has not surfaced this year, while the legalization of drugs is a non-subject since drugs have replaced communism on the Pentagon hit list.

    But to revert again to the unmentionable, religion. It should be noted that religion seemed to be losing its hold in the United States in the second quarter of this century. From the Scopes Trial in '25 to the Repeal of Prohibition in '33, the sky-godders were confined pretty much to the backwoods. Then television was invented, and the electronic pulpit was soon occupied by a horde of Elmer Gantrys who took advantage of the tax exemption for religion. Thus, out of greed, a religious revival has been set in motion, and the results are predictably poisonous to the body politic.

    It is usual, on the rare occasions when essential problems are addressed, to exhort everyone to be kinder, gentler. To bring us together, oh, lord, in our common humanity. Well, we have heard these exhortations for a couple of hundred years, and we are further apart now than ever. So instead of coming together in order that the many might be one, I say let us separate so that each will know where he stands. From the one many, and each of us free of the sky-god, as secular law-giver. I preach, to put it bluntly, confrontation.

    New York Review of Books, 1998.
     
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  6. ToddPhin

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    but you're not the one I have issues with, dummy. :lol:

    My father was a fairly heavily practicing Christian later in his life, to the point he would push his Christian beliefs and the Bible on me just as many others do to their friends and family. He/they obviously feel that, since they care about you and love you, they're doing you a service by trying to save you, which is an understandable thought process even though I strongly disagree with it since I'm not a Christian. After all, if I knew someone was gonna drive home from a bar massively intoxicated and could barely hold onto their keys, I'd try to stop them, too. Still doesn't change the fact its imposing nature can be annoying, or that the process of wanting to save others can easily lead to judging them. I know there are plenty of Christians who share an evolved belief who are less judgmental [or aren't judgmental], are more compassionate to others and omit the outdated, intolerable acts depicted in or supported by the Bible. I understand there are Christians who use their religion in conjunction with wanting to lead a genuinely altruistic life, and I understand there are those who use Christianity to help give their sordid life proper direction and a sense of meaning b/c they can't do it alone.

    But I also understand these Christians don't make up the entire lot, and that there are plenty who don't share your evolved views, are less tolerant of non Christians, or are simply an ignorant, misguided, misled, or simpleminded portion of the population who have no idea how to apply Christianity, interpret its Bible's words, or were taught wrongly by someone who shouldn't be teaching. I also know there are a LOT of non Christians [or non religious period] who are highly virtuous, compassionate, respectful, tolerable people b/c that's the life they choose to lead and feel they don't need religion to hold themselves to a higher standard.
     
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  7. djphinfan

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    I don't worry about Sam leading the narrative, once he makes the team I'm sure he'll put an end to it..he'll do something to take the attention off himself.
     
  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    that would be smart of him to do. nontheless i still dont see why any gm would draft him. you do realize he's undersized as a 4-3 DE and during Senior Bowl week he played like crap as a standup 3-4 OLB. If he cant play DE and he cant play OLB what position is he supposed to play? Forget about the social issues. Why would you draft him on football talent alone? The guy looks like the epitome of a bust. A tweener with no role
     
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  9. ToddPhin

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    Wow. That was impressive.
     
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  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Thanks for talking about it.

    it's just sad that nothing can be done,nothing can be said, no one on your side is going to change, nothing can be adjusted or re-visited I should say, to help the youth who are struggling with their self deprecation from having gay thoughts and because of how they think god is judging them..
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So you're going to judge his ability to convert to 3-4 OLB based on one week at the Senior Bowl?
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah I know about his limitations, I'll take a hard look in the fourth and lower to see where he matches up in that round with BPA, if I can get him to be a back up and special teamer with some of the highest intangibles I've seen and believe in, then I would go after the risk and not get give a crap if he busts..if I was the GM..basically he's worth the risk imo prez.
     
  13. KeyFin

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    God is judging all of us, religious or not. A lot can be done though, but honestly...it needs to be done by gay organizations, superstars in that lifestyle, and similar people who have a voice. Attacking religion or trying to re-write it won't solve anything...it's just asking for a fight gays can't win so nobody talks about it. The thing is though, until it's talked about and people get their feeling hurt even worse, nothing will change for that culture. It sucks, but its also the truth.

    For example, Phil Robertson from Duck Dynasty quoted a Bible verse that I mentioned earlier, and the main organizations called him a racist and many other delightful things. It's his beliefs though that he read straight from the Bible, and it's his constitutional right to do so. Instead of actually opening discussions and trying to help people, they demanded that he be fired and/or taken off the air. It was a huge opportunity for that cause, but the organizations turned it into a personal attack on Phil instead...that helps nobody.

    If you ever want to talk, I'll PM you my name and phone #.
     
  14. adamprez2003

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    yeah. since that's all we have so far. we'll see how he does at the combine
     
  15. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i would look 6th or lower. i honestly dont think he'll be drafted. maybe someone takes a shot with a throwaway pick but i just dont see any team spending a 5th or better on the guy. physical limitations plus media circus equals no thank you imo
     
  16. ToddPhin

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    One question: did you engage in sex before marriage?

    And so have 40 million American soldiers.
     
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    Hi Keith, sorry, I had to go to bed. My problem with miracles is the seem to occur to those who want to see them. I've never experienced a miracle, and nobody I know has either. The over riding factor is that none of us has any religion. To you, these events are miracles, to me they are unexpected deviations from the norm. I've known people killed in car crashes, and I've known people who walked away. I don't see one as miraculous and one as not. It was a different set of events, entirely unrecreatable. I don't know a lot about cancer but I'd guess stage 4 involves hospitals, doctors, specialists, chemo and radiotherapy. I don't think god kept someone alive here, I think my mate Alan the chemo specialist does. You mentioned housing, clothing, work. These things you perceive to be Christian concepts occur throughout the world in societies much much older than ours. The Greeks, the Romans, the Chinese, the Indians. All large functioning societies with all the things you mentioned. Ghosts, nope, don't believe. Like miracles they appear to only those who want to believe in them. There is a reason all these 'prove it' prizes have remained unclaimed for many years. Nobody can prove their existence. They don't appear to those who don't believe. If you'd rather continue our circular debate through pm, rather than here that'd be cool.
     
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    I agree Adam, I think he's Tebow mk ii. He may find a role but there isn't one for him here. I don't think any media circus will put people off, manti teo went rd2 last year and as soon as he went, silence. Just play the game. If he comes in and succeeds, great story, but I'm not sure he will.
     
  19. FinNasty

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    Well then judge Christians on an individual basis based on their actions and beliefs... instead of lumping them all together. With such a large group of people... the types of Christians are going to vary across the whole spectrum (including bad apples if you will).

    It's like a fan base. You're going to have you're optimistic fans, the neutral fans, the beat down negative fans, and the trolls. You can't judge a fanbase by its trolls, lol.

    As far as your father... I'm sorry that he crammed Christianity down your throat to the point of driving you away from it, and even to the point of apparently despising it. You're drunk driving analogy is a good one. His intentions were good, but it's sounds like his methods were poor and had the opposite desired effect. It's a shame when people that...
     
  20. FinNasty

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    Plenty can be done to help all that are bullied... and not just the few that are gay. For every 1 gay kid that is bullied... there are 20 that are bullied that aren't. You shouldn't view bullying through the small prism of just the gay kids that get tortured. You should be equally concerned about the many more non-gay children as well. Kids are going to bully others regardless of whether Christianity condones or condemns homosexuality... and more should be done to help all of them.
     
  21. Fin D

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    The difference being the gay kids are told they sinners in the eyes of their god. That carries more negative weight than say bullying fat kids.
     
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    Bull****...

    Bullying is incredibly damaging regardless of what the particular reason is for the bullying. We are all told that we are sinners in the eye of our God, gays or not. Kids that aren't gay kill themselves every day from bullying. But somehow them taking their lives is less significant? FinD... as someone with personal experience with it, you couldn't even begin to convince me of that belief...
     
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  23. MrClean

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    Maybe common sense drove him away. You know, like giving myths and fables their proper place.
     
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    It may of gotten lost in the thread, but my first post I put a lot of thought into, I don't think it will be the media storm that folks think, I think mike Sam will lead and direct the narrative and teammates will soon understand the makeup of this dude, I think his character is what we desperately need, his toughness and courage I covet, so if there is any player to take a risk on for this team and town, mike Sam is it man.

    Am I prioritizing the intangibles over the skillset at this point, he's, does this team and culture need to prioritize the same yes, we need some Michael Sams on our team, even if he isn't the best player..

    So just to reiterate my position..I think he has something special about him that our team desperately needs, and I don't think a 4/5 th round pick is to much to risk..

    As far as his draft status, lets take a close look at him at the combine and revisit.
     
  25. FinNasty

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    I got no beef with you Clean. Don't see why a jab like that would be necessary. But if you feel that way, it is certainly your own prerogative...
     
  26. Ohio Fanatic

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    courage and leadership are two separate things. You're assuming because he has courage he'll be a great leader and influence others.
     
  27. djphinfan

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    I understand that and there are strategies being done to combat those bullies, as far as the teenage gay person who finally feels like their different once their hormones kick in, the beginning of the strategy needs to be at religious school level and not teaching their students that these young people are sinners, so that in turn will not plant preconceived notions about a whole type of person..It's incredibly wrong when you know, and I know, and everyone with eyes knows that there are many cases where a child will not have a chance as to their sexuality.
     
  28. Ohio Fanatic

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    not sure what is meant by that. IMO, bullying, racism and any other prejudice is mainly reinforced by parental influence.
     
  29. MrClean

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    You're right, I shouldn't speak for Todd. Don't see how seeing things from a different perspective is a jab though.
     
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  30. FinNasty

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    Seeing things from a different perspective is perfectly fine.
     
  31. FinNasty

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    Do you believe that public schools and non-religious private schools have any less trouble with the issue than parochial schools? I highly doubt it. Not to mention, the % of children enrolled in parochial schools is very small compared to the number of kids enrolled in schools without religious teachings.

    Again... you need to look at the situation with a much wider lens...
     
  32. djphinfan

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    I wonder how much of that is bred thru the religious school system.

    I sure saw it first hand with an 11 year old girl and the words she used to describe the boy in pink..very dangerous, very sad.
     
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    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    if you go back in this thread you will see that it's being taught within the cirriculum, I myself have first hand knowledge of the consequences..
     
  34. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yes im trying to predict, like we all do at this point of the players career, I feel he has both, and I do feel like the two intangibles can relate to each other on some level..dude was team captain, his team had it's best year in a long team, and stayed united throughout.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    It's being taught within the curriculum in those schools to believe that a whole genre of people are going to go to hell and our sinners, and at a very early age I might add, I believe those children to be as innocent as any other type of child who gets bullied, it's not being taught that in public schools, only in parochial schools..how would you like me to interpret that, how do you not think that there is a stem or root right there..It's teaching and manipulating minds..those minds then identify what they think is a gay person, remember what they were taught, then proceed to do what it is young people do.

    That is a serious issue.
     
  36. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Actually, they teach the kids that we all are sinners... which is very different than the implication you're making that they teach that gays are evil and everyone else is good and that they teach bullying and prejudice. None of that is true DJ... it just isn't.

    As far a bullying... it isn't any more prevelant in parochial schools than it is in non-religious schools.
     
  37. Fin D

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    I think if you look at it rationally, you'll see that bullying is bullying but with gay kids, there's the extra part about "upsetting" your god on top of it.

    Again not saying it's all christians or anything but there aren't people out there holding up signs saying "god hates fat people".
     
  38. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Gay people are not bigger sinners than anyone else in the eyes of God...

    There are hateful people out there that are FLAT OUT WRONG for holding up signs saying "God hates gays". Don't fault the religion as a whole b/c some people twist the teachings into using them for hate.
     
  39. djphinfan

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    You seem to be consistently missing the main point, the main point is, it is being taught within the curriculum, and that will have a very negative impact on young social acceptance..

    It is not taught in the public system.

    My kid lives god, but there isn't a chance in hell I would send him to a school that would plant that seed.

    It's not right, those kids that are learning from their mentors that being gay is a punishable sin are way more susceptible to degrade the person they feel is.

    If your trying to cut down on the suicides of this genre, I believe eliminating it from the curriculum should be the #1 target.
     
  40. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Twisting the teachings can happen a lot when your teaching it to 12 year olds, how in the world do you expect them to interpret it?,and how to act when they do come into contact with a teenager who acts feminine or masculine, who dresses different, who acts and talks different?
     
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