Perhaps they're waiting to see what actions the NFL (and possibly the team) need to take with all this before Philbin comes forth and addresses the issues.
"Open letter to Philbin" , my ***. Its an open letter to the fans so they can complain about the whole situation more and more just to give the media vultures more blood and guts to feast on. Philbin was NOT found guilty of any wrong doing involving this scandal but it still isnt good enough for the relentless complainers. If and when he decides to address it fine with me . If not, oh well. How he`s still being raked through the coals is beyond me. Once again, HES AN NFL FOOTBALL COACH, NOT A PSYCHOLOGIST. The Wells report was satisfied that Philbin took appropiate action and since I wasnt there to witness the interviews ( and neither were any of you) I`m satisfied with the results. I`m sure at the appropriate time something will be adressed by someone. And I`m also sure the actual time of that wont be dictated by rabid fans and media vultures who are insulted by not getting answers NOW.
I have no idea how the defense du jour is becoming that Philbin should wait until the league metes out punishment before he speaks. How is that relevant? Any question that touches on punishment for the players or coaches involved is EASILY deflectable. "The league is in the process of determining that and we are working closely with them to make sure we're on the same page. It would be inappropriate of me to comment on that before all of that is decided." DONE. Oh my god! That was sooooo haaaaarrd! Definitely the reason I shouldn't talk to the press at all during one of the biggest scandals in franchise history. I got an owie. They made me answer a question to which I had to give a deflection that a 3rd grader could have thought of. Waaaaaaahhhh!!!
Don't you think he should show some leadership during this time, even if you believe the circumstances to deserve to be paid attention to, fact is they are, so why let the perception control the narrative, why not show your own fans that we can have some confidence in our leader, at this point, from the scandal to losing two games in horrible fashion to blow our season, we don't have much in terms of confidence.. Why not just do it to do it..
Vigilance, care over ignorance. Ignorance is not an excuse in his position. If he does nothin for the team and PR he should be fired this week.
The "clueless" perception is being driven at least half by Philbin's silence. If he were to provide detail then there's a decent chance the whole perception clears up like a morning mist.
No, there are hundreds of ways around it,,,,,, to me that is ck's point,,, there are a plethora (yeah plethora in a sentence,,wabamm!) of options available, they need to exercise some control of the narrative and they are not doing it,,, yet anyway.
ok maybe not a plethora,, but there are options, and i still used it in a legit sentence,, anyway i think they should do more to drive a narrative that puts the franchise in the best light and by remaining silent they are letting others dictate perception.
Perhaps they're not obsessing over sheeeit that happened months ago and are instead focused on FA, the draft and improving the football team. As they should be. Only fans and media have the luxury of harping endlessly on irrelevant nonsense.
What detail could he provide that wouldn't contradict the report's assertion that he wasn't aware of any mistreatment?
The harassment that took place on his team acted counter to winning football games. The scandal very much is relevant to the performance of the team.
There is nothing left to know. All the facts have been put forth, and there really isn't any debate as to what happened.
I don't think players quitting the team because they were harassed is irrelevant. This absolutely is something that affects the team's performance. Joe Philbin absolutely needs to do a better job keeping a pulse of his team if he wants to improve.
Maybe. But what's done is done, giving statements to the media about the harassment has no impact on the performance of the team.
That is not true and the attitude is reflective of a fundamental misunderstanding of what the NFL actually is.
Regarding Turner - the on field performance of the unit he was responsible for is reason enough that he should be fired. The fact he is still employed in light of the Wells report is criminal.
That's not what I'm talkin about. The issue is whether Philbin has anything to gain by continuing to address the issue.
Sounds like you've never played the game or spent much time in a locker room, but I'll stick with "I disagree".
It's obvious to all but Philbin (and, by extension, to Ross). But here's what's going to happen instead: Turner will suffer punishment as a result of his actions. If the suspension is less than a full season, Philbin will retain Turner and he will still be with the team when his suspension is lifted. Then he can continue being a ****ty coach for us. If the suspension is a full season, Philbin will retain Turner and he will still be with the team when his suspension is lifted in 2015, provided Philbin hasn't been fired for cause by then. Then he can continue being a ****ty coach for us. If Turner is banned from the NFL, Philbin will sing his praises, just as he did Mike Sherman's, and call him "a great coach"—even after last season's debacle on the field and the lack of institutional control/active participation in detrimental activities off the field. Or, it all turns even uglier if Turner only receives a token reprimand, in which case Philbin will promote Turner to Asst. Head Coach and have Ross extend his contract. And Turner will be the next Head Coach after Philbin is eventually fired for cause. Because "loyalty" is more important to Philbin than winning; he proved that with his refusal to fire Sherman (until he was forced to) when it was abundantly clear, even to the hapless Steve Ross, that Sherman was a detriment to the team.
And by being a leader you think holding a press conference is the way to go? Q&A? An interview with Dungy? The organization is respondin so no I don't think Philbin needs to also. I think people make way too much of this and expect too much. It won't quiet down people like the numbnut that wrote this to begin with. In their eyes he is either "clueless" or covering up. Either way they see him guilty of something and it wont matter what he says. Imagine if this happened in NE. Do you think Belichik would be held to the same standard people are holding Philbin to? Never... Coach were you aware of the bullying going on in the NE locker room? Silence..... Akward stare down... "Of course not". Everyone exits. Maybe you are right though. Maybe Philbin should come out and say he wanted to get rid of Incognito and didnt want Martin to begin with. He should remind everyone that when he was notified that a player may be depressed he spoke 1 on 1 with him and was never made aware of any mistreatment going on in the locker room and remind everyone that it was probably because it was all happening via text and after hours outside of the work place. If people are going to say Philbin should have known then isn't it fair to say the whole team should have known. How about Reggie Bush, Jake Long? Those two moved to other teams and didn't have to fear retribution if they spoke up. So why didn't they? Why didn't Tannehill? Matt Moore? Brandon fields? Well because like Philbin they come to work, do what they are paid to do then go home to loved ones, eat and catch some sleep and spend time preparing mentally and physically. Hey Ritchie and the boyz are headed to the bar for drinks. Tanny, Long, Bush you in? Coach? Nope yet somehow they are supposed to know JM was forced to pay for lap dances and called a racial slur that night.
The highlighted portion simply proves that your premise is completely wrong and that you have no idea what you're talking about. After Hernandez was indicted, Bill belichick gave an hour long press conference, in which he actually answered questions with thoughtful, seemingly truthful answers, and treated the matter with the seriousness that it deserved. And that was about what a player did completely on his own time away from the facility, where it would be almost impossible for Belichick, or anybody, to keep an eye on him. Here, Philbin has completely clammed up about stuff that happened in his locker room, in his facility and on his practice fields, some of which was perpertrated by his coaches and trainers. How anyone thinks he owes no explanation for how this occured is insanity.
Murder is not even in the same category as someone being picked on. I mean for gods sake thats what we are talking about here. Someone being picked on... Perspective man.
Nicely done. I could've flunked out during the first week of 9th grade and I'd still have more playing experience/time in a locker room than you, which is probably why "I disagree". Would you like to continue or can we get back to the topic?
Jimmy down at the local Pizza Hut was caught stealing from the store, how he still has a job I certainly don't know. the manager STILL hasn't come out with an explanation since the authorities have completed their investigation and submitted their report. I'm a patron down there and I demand an explanation damn it!
its going to be okay. the committee that ross hired to coach our head coach will make everything better. the committee will go the the podium and answer all questions soon.
except that people are pouring over the report and taking what has been or what they feel hasn't been said creating more issue from that. is it complete? probably not. I'm sure if they kept digging like alot of posters here that they could keep coming up with more nad more stuff to hang everyone in that building then then start on every other front office and locker room in the league. the report was for the NFL. they have not released their findings based on the report. the Dolphins allowed with and were cooperating with the report for the NFL... In their time we will be informed with what they feel we are entitled to know.
First off, factually untrue. Second, irrelevant. You tossed up a strawman to try and distract from the topic in question and so I tossed a strawman of my own up. The fact that you flunked out of high school is obviously irrelevant to the conversation. The NFL sells itself to the league as entertainment. It encourages the fans to get to know and care about the players on the team, the coaches, to identify with the team and derive pleasure from their victories and sadness in their defeats. It's selling celebrity to the masses. Any coach knows and will tell you that being the face of the organization, handling the media, and controlling the message during controversies is part of the job description. In fact, the NFL itself demands this of their head coaches and MANDATES media sessions for exactly this reason.
