I did not choose Incognito as leader, his teammates did. That's how it works. However, I accept blame for not stepping in there. I was worried there might be dissension if I came in and overruled them, but that was the right thing to do there, and I didn't. Something like that.
I agree with what you're saying and I'm just saying that introspection on his part should've taken him there instead of utilizing that deflective answer. What the heck would it have cost him to say "I f*&$ed up. I should haven't allowed his ascencion. I thought he could've changed." Or whatever. Everyone already knows that he messed up. He may have scored a brownie point or two for admitting his error.
@EthanJSkolnick 4h Didn't think it was possible for a Dolphins head coach to be less liked than Cameron/Saban. Philbin headed that way, no?
He doesn't even have to say it was a mistake. He just has to own the decision. That's it. He refused to own that decision. Instead he chose to own a decision that he and everyone else knows he was overruled on. That's taking the ***** way out.
And this is why I mentioned yesterday that the only reason some people wanted a Phibin press conference on the matter was just to dig their claws in deeper and scrutinize every word and every mannerism Philbin had to offer. Didn't matter what he said because he was going to be criticized for something anyway. The reason, and I mean the ONLY reason, this wont drop is because vultures find it difficult to walk away from the blood and guts until theres nothing left but bones. All I read yesterday was "Philbin should have a comment", "we deserve a follow up", "why is he not addressing the situation", "he`s clueless Joe" etc...etc.... So what happens? He addresses the media and now people are saying " he said this ,he should have said that" , "he replied this way, then changed his tune", " he contradicted himself because he said one thing then the opposite" , " he`s not the right man for the job"....etc. etc. and so on and so on......I can only hope in Philbins mind he was knowingly blowing smoke up peoples asses just to shut them up, for they deserve nothing more.
The "leadership council" are not captains. It's not a title. It's not something that could be taken away or given by a coach. It was in all likeliness a term created in Lieu of the fact that we don't have captains but everyone still needs to refer to the leaders as something. Your saying Philbin should have owned up to not stripping incognito of a non-title that bore no responsibility? How exactly could he have, in theory, done that? "I see you guys chose incognito. Well **** him and **** you too for picking him. Try again"
Why? To satisfy you? Philbin doesn't have to admit to us or the media of "owning" anything unless his boss advises him on what to do and say. Some people wont be satisfied unless Philbin is burned at the stake. Who are we to say Philbin is not the right guy to coach the Dolphins? That's purely speculative and nothing more and I want you to remember those words if -and hopefully when- Phibin turns this team into serious contenders. I`m pulling for him to do so because I`m a Dolphins fan. Other then that, his actions towards the media is extremely irrelevant in comparison to winning games which, contrary to popular belief, is the main goal.
Outside the lines reporting on the presser now. Man is this gonna be tough for this coach to earn the respect of his players and unify his team. He's got a year to do it.
It's true what James Walker says, how is Philbin escaping punishment while standing up and saying it's his team and responsibility.. He's got to get a fine from the league, I don't know how he's not punishing himself at this point.
This is getting out of hand. Bottom line is if the Wells report, Ross, and the NFL are all agreeable on moving on as fast as possible, that's good enough for me. Lets get back to the important stuff.
Yes, but Oneil did not cooperate with the commissioners and owners requests, when he chose to do the opposite in hostility he made his bed.
The above is factually untrue. Joe Philbin started the leadership council in 2012. It is a structure that he recognizes and interacts with.
You're really playing semantics here. He said "the players elect who is on the leadership council. that's how the votes came in and out of respect for the process that is how he is on the leadership council" I fail to see how that is significantly different than your suggestion. To me the "I chose" is implied in the "out of respect" line. You have to remember he is answering questions on the fly, not carefully crafting a response behind a keyboard.
Who really knows the truth? We know Player A disagreed with the report. Maybe Oneill didn't like the way the prosecution was asking the questions? Could be Wells didn't like the way he was coming across and labled him trouble or hostile? It's easy to drag people through the mud when you're the one putting the ink on paper.
It's not a title. It's a player chosen privilege by other players. Philbin declining to acknowledge the players choice of incognito would negate the point of giving the players the choice in the first place. He could not have stripped incognito of the privilege.
Yes he absolutely could have. He CREATED the leadership council. He named it. He recognized the players on it. He interacted with the players on the leadership council. If he said that Incognito can't be on it, he wouldn't be on it. Period. End of story.
And you would have been on here telling us he just undermined the entire concept of the council, and how that is going to lose him the locker room.
Bush, Dansby etc... suggested the idea of the leadership council when CJ was released. From what we saw on Hard Knocks Philbin didn't seem too thrilled with the idea but agreed to it nevertheless. The whole point of the council was to give players more of a say in what was going on. Vetoing who they choose to represent them would have been the ultimate slap in the face not only to Richie but to everyone who voted for him.
Then Philbin should have been a leader and explained why Incognito could not be on the council. The players could choose to either accept that, or have no leadership council at all. Speaking of which, do most teams have such a thing? Seems that many teams wouldn't need one. The leaders are obvious. And the coach is obviously ultimately in charge. I doubt Belichick has any use for such a thing, but maybe I'm wrong
I guess Philbin should have outed the Cogs golf course event by banning him from the Leadership Council. I wonder how many people would be talking about how Philbin was undermining Ireland because Ireland didn't get rid of Cogs.
And you don't think publicly dressing down Richie like that would have repercussions on the attitude in the locker room? I agree that there is really no need for a formal LC and as I said in another post from what I saw on hard knocks it didn't seem like Philbin was too keen on the idea.
Most teams have captains. How could Philbin realistically not allow richie to be on the council? Due to Ireland not cutting richie over the golf incident, the golf incident never became public knowledge. So lets look at it like this: in 2012 richie was a pro bowler. I don't see this get brought up anywhere, ever. He was supposed to be one our best lineman behind pouncey. He was the only returning veteran on the oline. On paper, incognito was the ideal candidate. If Philbin denied it, wtf was supposed to be his logic? "I just don't like that richie incognito, no sir"
This whole discussion on Philbin and Incognito leadership council thing has got me thinking. 1) All the players would have known what Incognito did on the golf course [and parking lot]. 2) The players would have known that the lady had to be paid off and Incognito was fined. [RI's text and twitter behavior shows he runs off his mouth] 3) The players would have had a good idea that Incognito had been kept despite Philbin. Incognito had a "one strike" for bad behavior clause in his contract and was retained and also Philbin had been very vocal about only wanting good character players on the team. 4) The OL at least knew how Incognito treated Martin, Garner and McDonald. The team knew about the "tornado" side of RI's character. Despite all of this the team still elected Incognito to the leadership council. This tells me one of two things. 1) The locker room was deliberately flouting Philbin by electing a person they knew to be one of the least suitable people to the leadership council. OR 2) The locker room really was an out of control "Lord of the Flies" culture.
you know, despite all of the bull****, occasionally these guys played football. They practiced some too. its possible, and i know this is crazy, that incognito was good in the film room, on the practice field, and in the huddle.
The two gold course incidents happened while Ritchie was was other players, the team knew what he did. The General public no, but the locker room would have known. However, you are right in that Richie Incognito is the veteran pro-bowler who on paper is the ideal candidate. Refusing to accept RI on the leadership council would have got tongues wagging about why not and would have been a general clusterf&^% because Incognito had been kept on after these incidents.
Or #3.. The 2013 Miami dolphins were a bunch of cowards, who really were just pressured into electing him..
Signs are there Den..could of been a mix of players not giving a #### and being scared to say anything.