What signs? Please enlighten. Perhaps he was the only one interested. That doesn't make the rest cowards.
This is really not a very accurate accounting of what happened. When Joe Philbin released Chad Johnson, Reggie Bush approached Philbin during practice and asked very respectfully if he, Jake Long and Karlos Dansby could meet with Philbin later to discuss Johnson's dismissal. You say that it was Philbin that didn't look thrilled, but that's not really correct. It was Jeff Ireland, who was next to Philbin during the practice, who looked visibly disgusted while Bush asked Philbin if they could meet. At the meeting, Reggie Bush came with Dansby and Jake Long and they all sat down. The players expressed that they wanted to set something up specifically so they could handle problems like Chad Johnson's in-house, within the locker room, so that it didn't have to come to releasing a guy. It was all very respectful and it was PHILBIN who suggested, maybe we should set up some sort of "leadership council" of players like yourselves. You say Philbin didn't look thrilled about it but it was Philbin himself who made the suggestion and he looked to my eyes to be enthusiastic about the idea. If you re-watch the episode of Hard Knocks I am pretty sure you would find that my accounting of the event is much closer to the truth.
Thing is, after about 6 weeks we all knew Cam was toast. Philbin seems to have this air of invisibility. Everything bounces off and he just keeps rolling. He's earned tenure without ever earning tenure. Seriously, Philbin has quickly turned into my 2nd most disliked coach in franchise history. I can not stand him as a coach. I absolutely LOATHE Dave Wannstedt and blame him for all of our ills, a lot has to happen for me to dislike Philbin to a Wannstedt level. I find the ownership gushing and unshakable faith in Philbin ****ing nauseating. Another collapse of some sort matched with no playoffs with the Owner coming out and endorsing him endlessly discussing "integrity" and all this other **** will bump Philbin above Wannstedt.
Cameron should be your #1. He lead the team to our single most embarrassing performance on the field ever. Giving him a pass cause he just sucked that bad doesn't make any sense. The guy could not have been more incompetent. (He even lost his QB coaching job in baltimore since) A lot of your frustration seems aimed at Ross. Its not entirely Philbins fault that he hasn't been let go. Philbin hasn't been 'successful' yet but 7-9 and 8-8 aren't atrocious either. There's reaon to believe in Philbin at least.
This is a Martin emotional over-reaction. Period. Nothing else to say here. Let's move along. The jury is still out on Philbin. The entire season came down to piss poor offensive line play and 90% of that falls on Jeff Ireland. Everyone of those players are his guys - including the pitiful Martin who does not belong in the NFL. As well as Jerry and others. The biggest problem here is not Philbin, however. It is an owner who could not bring in a top calibre GM and will struggle to attract free agents (unless they severely overpay).
No, officer. We all want it to be over, but it isn't. You can't will it so. Minimizing the concerns and opinions of your fellow fans won't make it so. There's a problem, and it will be the topic of discussion on a national stage, and here.
Technically I agree.. Cameron had the most embarrassing on the field performance. But I have never been more embarrassed by the franchise than I have been the last few months. Not sure if it's Philbin, Ross, or both. Perhaps they are like peanut butter and jelly.
Well imo it's about ross' ego. Philbin was handpicked so firing him will be an admission of failure by ross.
As bad as Cam was he at least had a semblance of success calling plays in SD and w/us early in the '07 season. Ronnie led the league in yards from scrimmage w/o the use of a gimmick running game. Heck, coach fist pump(who had prior experience) was a better HC than philbin.
lol. Yeah because calling plays and never achieving anything is why more impressive then devising and implementing gameplans while winning a SB. Ok sure...
Please convince me how calling plays translates to the duties of a HC more than devising and implementing the gameplan, then you can call me an idiot....annnnnnnd go!
Ok fair enough.. There was a bullying scandal that after the reports I can honestly say, yes, it was a an adult bullying scandal. No one stood up for the kid that was an emotional basket case. Players and coaches turned the other way. Everyone stuck up for the meathead when they were pressured. Cognito and Pouncey hang out, get drunk and reckless together.. The biggest meathead and leader of the immaturity was voted captain.. He was voted captain after the golf course incident.. His past transgressions. Now, do I think the meathead was purposely malicious?, I do not, he just needed severe consequences to get checked so the meathead could grow and learn boundaries and some awareness that some are weak.
Philbin's gamplanning has been awful as Head Coach of the Dolphins. And that personally leads me to believe that he wasn't much responsible for devising the gameplans in GB. I'm sure you'll disagree, and that's fine.
I do disagree. Present results don't rewrite what happened in history. In fact, history generally dictates that we're perceiving the present incorrectly. Chances are the problem with game planning the past two years was a lack of the proper players to implement the plan fully. Most coaches can not adapt to any players they have and have systems they adhere to. The ones that can adapt are few and far between....they are certainly not the norm. Believing that is up to you, but its not really all that crazy.
I could not disagree more with this aside from the fact that Cam got tge most out of Brown. Coach fist pump snd his staff had Cameron Wake in man coverage against Santonio Holmes. THAT is poor play design.
I watched the press conference last night in its entirety as well as the Hickey interview. I can't believe that some are coming here and complaining about what he said. Crazy. He said just about what any coach would say or just about whatever he could possibly say. I think he said nothing wrong. It was fine. You can sure as s--t be assured that this isn't going to happen again any time soon. It's easy to sit here and criticize on an internet fan board without any clue of how things really work. Weird. As for Hickey, while he talks like a twitchy mofo'er, he seems like a good guy. We have no clue of how he will be. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and just see what he can do. He seems like a pretty sharp guy and it was good to hear him say that he and Philbin are on the same page. It doesn't really bother me that he got passed over for the same position by one the all-time most inept organizations. It should probably be a positive that they passed him over because they are clueless. I will say that he doesn't come off as a total and complete douche like Ireland always did. The negativity here by some has gotten a bit weird, but whatever. Have at it. Whatever floats your boat.
lol what else is he gonna say? that means nothing to me, you know how many times I heard that **** about Philbin and our last GM? everyone's on the "same page" in the beginning. Tampa's had a lot more recent success than we have. even if you considered that franchise inept, it's not like some well run organization hired him away, leading to some thinking he could be a diamond in the rough....no, he went from one inept team to another.
I'm not sure who to blame for 7 points in the last two games. Probably in order, Tannehill, OL, Coaches. The reason I put Tannehill first to blame is speculation that he played when he was hurt and was unable to perform. When you're hurt you can't be selfish. There is a whole lot more involved in the team than one players aspirations. Where would 60 points in the last two games have ranked us? Perhaps one year that will happen.
If that is true shouldn't it be the coaches/trainers responsibility to see he isn't performing up to speed and pull him? I want players on my team that want to be on the field no matter what.
I agree to a degree and that's why the Coaches are partly to blame but overall, our field general failed to perform with something like a 34 QBR. I don't want a player to sit with minor aches and pains but they don't need to be on the field if their injuries are detrimental to the team's goals. I saw that as selfishness. There were serious reapercusions for the offensive meltdown last year. The offense was competative against Buffalo one game but they took a two week vacation after week 15's NE win. How did they go from destroying the Jets one game to 7 pts in the second meeting?
LOl!! Knowing your negativity, you wouldn't be happy if he said anything short of "i'm quitting" or "please, stone me" or something along those lines. He said the best possible thing he could say in that position and you know it. We'll see about Hickey. No one knows how he will be and then I'll refer to my previous comments about him. What would you prefer he said? "We're actually not on the same page"? The rest of your post is just BS blabber. Tampa is awesome.
it's funny how people can look at teh same thing and see something completely different. I look and see a team that played a very emotional and hard fought game against NE, their Super Bowl if you will, during a very stressful emotion draining period with the locker room scrutiny and spotlight. I think the team was spent for the last two games, i don't think any one could have done much better to get anything from the team. I wonder what their record would be if they played NE the last game.
Do Ya think the team was spent?? No one saw anything different than you did. We saw the same thing but have different opinions. I think they could have gotten a win if Tanne or the coaches had taken him out. I think a winning game plan could have been worked up. Instead, we had a QB covering aches and pains, politics and back biting in the sky box, and bad press. How about Gilleslee, Thigpen or fresh legs in for the running game. How about even running the ball instead of passing on average 37 times. How about playing some fresh rookies like Jordan if the starters are spent. The Defense did their job, but there was no plan on offense and our QB coach sucks A$$ and he's still working for the team.
While the defense gave up only 19pts and 20pts the last two games, they also gave up 750+yrds,40 first downs and over 350 rushing yards over those last two. While not as big as a problem as the offense in that collapse,.....still a problem.
That's why those who argue points allowed matters most, are wrong, and those who argue yards allowed matters most, is also wrong. They're both important. Yards allowed indicate time killers.
