Better late than never??

Yes, all this answered your question.

If you can't figure out how I feel about him after reading that then you're being an ***.

Seriously, go **** yourself. I have been nothing but honest about my stances. I've been blasted left and right by the likes of you and your stupid Haters Club for my stances, so why the hell would I be lying now?

You want to talk about honesty? Fine, let's do that. You spent numerous years crying that Ireland was our biggest problem, now that he's gone, you're still effing crying about everything else. Be honest, why are you constantly crying?

 

Jerry Jones/Jimmy Johnson.....it happens.

 

I'll ignore the personal insult and continue on in this pointless, but fun discourse. Maybe you are being honest with yourself. You may be that big of a homer where you honestly believe Joe Philbin is a better coach than John Harbaugh. But that fact is also why your answer to the question is not an honest answer. If Harbaugh were the Dolphins coach and achieved the same success, I believe that you, along with the rest of us, would do nothing but sing his praises. And if anyone disagreed you would probably go on some emotional diatribe calling them a hater or something like...this:

By the way, that's a very interesting but not true picture you have painted. I believe I've been a much more emotionally stable fan that you have, judging by your increasingly hostile and emotional responses.

Here's another question for you. You don't have to answer if you don't want to but I'll ask it anyway.

Joe Philbin is coach of the 49ers for the past 2 years. He has gone 7-9 and 8-8 and is fresh off a similar bullygate type scandal. Harbaugh has achieved same success as coach of the Phins for past 3 years that he has achieved with 49ers. You are GM and can choose between your incumbent Jim Harbaugh or bring in Philbin. Who do you pick? Is it still Philbin?

 

Where the hell did I say Philbin was a better coach then Harbaugh? I'm sorry you can't read, but that doesn't hold me responsible for your short comings. I happen to think the 49ers are stacked on talent, which is why, I said Philbin & Tannehill go to that team they'd have more success than Harbaugh & CKap coming here to our talent. That does not indict Harbaugh or crown Philbin.

You flat out called me a liar. Don't sit here all sanctimonious about personal insults. Yes, I get pissed off...but at people like you whom I deal with directly. You on the other hand get mad at Ireland whom you never even spoke to you. Your still so effing pathetic and bitter over this person you still have that incredibly stupid sig and you've apparently put a lot of thought into the various states of hardness of his *****:

If one of us is emotionally unstable, I think the record reflects its you there Sport.

Your question is still stupid. If Philbin had that record with that talent, then he wouldn't be very good.

Remember, you and your jackass brigade of hate, are the ones that cry that Ireland was sooooooooooo bad at his job that our talent is horrible but then turn around and blast Philbin for not doing better with horrible talent.

 

No assumptions there at all

Look, CKap by all accounts took a pretty big step back and imo there's a very good chance that happens again next season.

Their offense as a whole has a lot of issues. Injuries on the OL, VD and Crab not staying healthy, Gore breaking down and no other established RBs, etc.

I see no reason to assume they'll be better next year.

 

Glad you're using a nonsensical joke I made in a completely unrelated topic to try and make some kind of way off topic point. What was that you were saying about crying like a *****? At least I still have a sense of humor. Glad you like the sig. Continue on with your terrible arguments and personal insults. Very entertaining reads.

 

Right ignore all the other stuff, cause that's honest, right?

Its not a nonsensical joke. You carry deep seated hatred of the guy its why you literally can't help yourself when it comes to insulting him, even though he's long gone. That's issues.

You're not even going to sack up and apologize for calling me a liar then getting all sanctimonious about "personal insults" are you? Awesome. You're a stand up guy with lots of integrity..........

 

We're all just speculating but how much does this situation change if the 49ers were to win the Super Bowl this coming season?

 

Harbaugh in each of his 3 seasons has gotten his team within one play of either winning the Superbowl or going to the Superbowl.

We're so far away from the Conference Championship, let alone Superbowl, that I simply cannot believe there's even one single Dolphin fan that would not want him to be the coach after what we've been through the past decade and more specifically the past 6 months.

 

I meant the going on to beat DEN part more.

CKap struggles to read defenses and makes quite a few bad decisions.

Right but Crab and VD both have struggled to stay healthy so I think that's far from a given.

We've seen zero out of those RBs to make anyone think they can do that.

Their defense should still keep them in every game but I just don't like that offense.

 

How is this possible? It's not possible. If there is one thing I have learned from being here these past 4 or 5 years is it is always the GM's fault when a team looses.

 

Its his party and he'll cry if he wants to.

 

Lmao ain't it hilarious, all the Ireland bashing we saw over the years and within two weeks of his departure they're already on to the next scapegoat.

Shouldnt the Irish haters be worshipping Philbib for winning 8 games with all the horrible talent he had to work with? Shouldn't Ross get a parade for finally ridding the franchise of its biggest liability? Apparently not.

 

I've been asking these questions for awhile. I've gotten people that ignore them, that say win & losses don't matter, or that its because of the rules of the game. Basically arguing tactics because the facts aren't there to argue the question and its logic.

Make no mistake though GM, I wanted Ireland fired too because of the Martin & Cogs stuff and how Philbin wanted them gone before this blew up in our faces and because, IMO, if Ireland had done a better job with the oline we probably would have been playoff bound. But I don't hate the guy nor do I think he was a poor evaluator of talent.

 

Baltimore Colts winning superbowl VI (?) the year after some schmuck named D. Shula left the team.

The 49ers winning Superbowls under Seifert with the team Bill Walsh built.

Barry Switzer winning with Jimmy Johnson's team.

 

that's funny, you had no problem with the line before the season, you said we'd be fine because we had 3 pro bowlers up front when really the only true pro bowler we had at the time was incognito, and Martin would be fine, Clabo would be fine, we didn't need Brandon Albert or Jake Long, we didn't need to sign McKinnie because he was old (we see how that worked out).

not surprising, you seem to overrate virtually everyone on this team from the coaches and players to the front office.

 

I never thought Ireland was "the problem" I thought he was a scapegoat, now that he's gone...lol well you see what's happening.

Fact is, he was never fired. They mutually parted ways which is pretty close to what happened with several potential GMs who interviewed for the job, no? Clearly Ross wants a guy who will give Philbin the kinds of players he wants and clearly Ireland wasn't that guy so while I didn't want him fired I'm glad he's gone. I dunno if Philbin is the right man for the job but I'm willing to give him a fair shot. As a fan that's all I can do, I refuse to ***** and moan myself into depression like some of our fellow posters. We are talking football not real life...

 

Whats funny is how you bash the players, coaches, front office, owner, etc with no explanation of how the team was 8-6 needing one win to make the playoffs.

 

I definately thought Sherman was the number one Problem. I thought the OL was a major problem. Zak Taylor was a problem. I think we have made the corrections we needed. Firing Philbin and starting completely over would have been too soon. I believe they need more input from the coaches and players to improve this offense. It will be Tannehill's only year without Sherman, and we could see a regression so he is going to have to get support from the receivers, running game and OL.

 

we were 8-6 because of Tannehill overcoming all of his team's deficiencies up to that point.

 

Werd. Fixing the run game should be job 1 IMO. If we can do that w/I having a major drop off anywhere else I think we will be in good shape.

 

Harbaugh would be awesome, but why would he wan't to go to the Dolphins after turning them down once? I guess you could argue if the Dolphins fail again in 2014 as many of us expect Ross will be so desperate that Harbaugh would have full control of everything and that could drive him over in 2015.

 

At this point, I'd rather win with a jerk, than lose with a nice guy.

 

Yes, because hiring the "nice guy" (see: Philbin, Joe) has got us a long way.

I don't care how much of an ******* Harbaugh is or appears to be, you hand him the keys and win some ****ing games.

 

But, he's a big meany!

 

One mans trash...?

 

Funny thing is: Philbin comes off as a pleasant individual. Quite the opposite of Harbaugh. But Philbin has shown some serious passive aggressive tendencies that severly counteract that demeanor.

Oh, and there's the thing where the franchise is going through one of the more embarrasing periods in its history under his watch.

But yeah, I would never want the guy who gets too emotional over penalties.

 

It's a homer party! You guys are like Bill Swerski's Superfans without the funny.

You guys want an answer? Here's your answer -

First of all you're creating a fallacy that doesn't exist. An image of me and other fans that we're still frothing at the mouth angry at this team, and hating everything about it. Disgusted by the team, unwilling to cheer for it, etc. You have used very colorful words to paint this image, repeating it over and over again with obnoxious rhetoric..

The truth of the matter is this, at least for me personally - I was am and am still thrilled Jeff Ireland was fired. He was a terrible GM, had a terrible personality, left huge holes in the roster in every year of his tenure and was directly responsible for at least one very public embarrassment (isyourmomawhoregate) and at least indirectly in one other (bullygate).

Does this mean I am not allowed to comment on any negative aspects of this team? Of course not. That would be incredibly naive and/or homeristic. Which is why you 2 are so opposed to it. To sit and pretend like the GM search was not a terribly flawed process is sticking your head in the sand. Irrationally screaming about the media conspiracies and then clamming up when those media reports were proven true every step of the way. Only to crawl out of the woodwork with more week arguments and calling those who can see that the sky is blue "HATER BRIGADE".

I am not the hater you paint me to be. I still support this team. I will support Philbin. I will support Hickey even though I believe he was a bottom of the barrel candidate whose own team didn't interview him for their GM opening. I believe Stephen Ross is still a very poor owner who has a lot to learn, but there's nothing that can be done about him unless he decides to sell the team. His weaknesses as an owner are apparent to anyone who is not wearing aqua and orange colored glasses. It doesn't make anyone a "hater" to notice that.

FinD - this last piece is aimed at you specifically: I worry about you. You get spun into a frothy tizzy in almost every thread I read on this forum. Maybe it's all an act, and you're fine. Maybe you're just trolling. But if not, I'd seek some help. Maybe medication or maybe try meditation to relax yourself. Debating with you whether I agreed with your stance or not used to be fun, but now you can't seem to discuss anything without resorting to hateful personal insults and getting emotionally spun up.

Now that that's over how about we get back on topic. Where were we again? Oh yeah, FinD was saying he would rather have Joe Philbin as coach than Jim Harbaugh. Agree to disagree.

 

Good lord the homerism on this site has reached ridiculous levels.

 

You are a hater. You are still ignoring facts when they are given to you. You are still ignoring questions that you can't answer without blowing apart your little hater stance.

Case in point, how could we be 8-8 (beating many playoff teams in the process) if Ireland sucked at getting us talent and Philbin sucks as a coach? Please ignore that again with some BS ploy about "worrying about me".

You lack integrity and you want to argue me. I'm directly dealing with an annoying individual whose sole goal is to be hater that doesn't even have the moral fortitude to admit they were wrong about anything or deal with questions that challenge their stance. That's what angers me. There's nothing weird about that. You on the other hand, have spent years insulting and crying about a person you never even met. So much so, that you decided to end every post you make with a constant reminder about how much you literally hate this person you've never interacted with and who has never done anything to deserve hate from you. Every damn day you'd ***** or dig about Ireland and blame him for EVERYTHING wrong the team. He's been fired and YOU still can't let it go and though pathetic, its not even the most pathetic part, you've now decided that Philbin is JUST as bad as Ireland and is the reason for all our problems real or imagined.

In the end you are finding every reason you can to HATE on the team but you still keep trying to convince everyone that you LOVE the team and while you're doing that you're still living this hate campaign for a guy no longer on the team.....AND you're telling me I have anger issues because you asked for my opinion then called me a liar when I gave it. But I'm the one with problems? Seriously, you couldn't be more bat **** if you were dipped in guano.

I think Harbaugh, like you, is not emotionally stable. I don't want either of you coaching the team. I wouldn't even want either of you watching my kids if I had any.

Let's see if you actually answer that question, btw.

 

OK Not that anyone asked me but I agree with MonstBlitz that Fin D would not want to get rid of Harbaugh if he accomplished what he what he did with SF in Miami. I also agree that Fin D in that MonstBlitz is twisting and not understanding. Fin never said he'd prefers Philbin over Harbaugh. He said Philbin and Tannehill on the SF team could outperform what Har/Kpernick did with 49ers. Personally, I don't think that's the case but it's possible. The 9ers looked sub par at the beginning of the season, but true coaching talent rises and lack of does not. Philbin's stubborness and a complete lack of in game adjustments especially 2nd half adjustments was the difference between making and missing the playoffs this year. That's not to detract from his successes and the things he did right but it was probably the difference in a win or two.

 

Yeah, see that part in bold right there? That never happened. And that's why it's nonsensical debating anything with you. You make up the stance of the person you are debating against. Isn't that what you and others on this board call...a Strawman? I believe it is. Go find me anything I've said on this board that even comes close to insinuating that my opinion of Philbin is that he is just as bad as Ireland. I'll wait.

HINT: You won't find it. My stance was and continues to be that in and of itself, Philbin deserves a 3rd year. But Philbin being retained had a negative impact on the GM hire. I've felt that a clean sweep would have been better given the late season collapse, but I'll continue to support Philbin and believe he can be a successful coach. You've heard me say that probably 100 times on this board, but you only read what you want to see. It doesn't fit your picture of the fan that I really am.

 

If you look real close at the bottom of the post you quoted, you'll notice the text in white. It says:

It was the question you "conveniently" left out of the quote. Meaning you purposely had to delete it from the quote.
You did that because, your lack of integrity strikes again. You just keep ignoring things that don't fit your bs hate narrative. I sincerely hope you're not this cowardly in real life.

 

Me too. You either felate Harbaugh or you're a liar apparently.

 

Sorry brother, but you can't talk logic with flamers. They're only here to argue and make you mad, which is why we get that fancy ignore button to tune them out. Trust me, the forum is much better after you have 3 or 4 of them on silence.

 

Harbaugh's record is pretty much beyond reproach at this point. Obviously Miami should pursue him if available, but I'm not really buying into him becoming available.

 

It's not homerism it's basic math mixed with a little common sense.

Bad GM, bad players, bad coaching, bad locker room environment, bad finish, etc. does NOT equal 8-8, average, or anything close to it.

 

You forgot the important things: $1B and membership in a cartel.