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Targets for 2014 Dolphins Draft

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Bpk, Sep 24, 2013.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I didn't mean the off field stuff, just the way he carries himself on..

    Whatta you think about the off field stuff, do you believe it when he says he didn't say it?, is it enough for you not to take him if he's there at 19?, he sure looks like a top 10 tackle.
     
  2. invid

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    I really like the top of this safety class. Deone Buchanon will be a solid starter in the NFL.
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    I'm not even sure he's ever denied saying that to the alleged rape victim. I haven't heard him deny it. I have heard him deny the accusation that he punched out an Ohio State fan outside of a bar. Personally I don't see that as an issue on its own, though.

    The bulk of my off field study would concentrate on figuring out whether he's a boozer like Richie Incognito. If you combine Lewan's attitude toward women with him being a big partier and getting into legal hijinx while out drinking, it's a bad combination. If I had solid evidence that the guy would be texting his teammates like every other day looking to go booze it up at one of the local bars like Richie Incognito then I'd be tempted to stay away. But if I had solid evidence that he really only goes out partying once in a while, I'd feel more comfortable.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He denied it at the combine.

    “That’s definitely a situation between those two people,” Lewan said of the alleged harassment of a rape victim. “I am not here to protect Brandon or the young lady. That’s not what I am here to do. I am here to talk about football. I can say I never said those things. I’ve said a lot of dumb things in my life but those are not things that I said. That is a touchy subject. I would never disrespect a woman like that. I consider myself a guy who likes to hold doors, not threaten people.”
     
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  5. ToddPhin

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    Justin Gilbert with our 1st could be interesting, especially if we re-sign Grimes. Grab a FS who can cover.

    Then switch to Cover-3-Press [rather than off] to free up Reshad Jones to be an enforcer like Seattle does with Chancellor. He's an All Pro b/c of it, where as he'd be on the bench or relegated to nickel on a Cover-2 team. It'd fix our run problems, making offenses one dimensional by bringing Reshad up to the box to give him a better balance of run/pass responsibility. He can make more plays at or behind the LOS [which we know Reshad can do] and take away the short stuff in coverage, which our linebackers could use help with. Like playing with 12 defenders. The 3 deep would minimize the explosive plays, which is a core principle of it. Usually Cover-3 is vulnerable to the quick pass with corners playing off, but with Gilbert & Grimes, they can play tight to take it away, which would also make life easier for the linebackers and Reshad in coverage I would think. It looks like man coverage, which it is to an extent b/c the corners will play man throughout the route if the receiver remains in his third of the field, but when the receiver goes horizontal, the corner will pass him off inside and then keep his own deep third responsibility.

    Cover-3 makes good use of a 5-tech DE paired with a hybrid OLB, which Dion Jordan would be ideal for IMO b/c of his length and ability to take away the flats in coverage, as well as handle TE's. 4-3 Under/Over are perfect for it, which we already have the personnel for. With Reshad freed up to play tight, it would also serve to provide Jordan [at OLB] more flexibility with his run/pass/rush responsibilities since we'd have 8 guys around the box rather than 7, because like I said- it's like you're playing with an extra defender. Bruce Irvin did this well in Seattle this year. His sack numbers were down b/c the pass rush snaps had to be divvied among all those DEs [however, in his limited rush snaps he impressively got a pressure every 6.1 attempts which was just shy of Wake's 1 per 5.6 and a click better than Von Miller's 1 per 6.2], but as an actual linebacker he could drop, blitz, penetrate the backfield against the run, move around, you name it- illustrated in the gifs below. Dion Jordan has the type of athleticism to do the same. But that's the dynamic you get when you have 2 great corners and a great free safety who can trustfully execute Cover-3.

    It's an entire trickle down affect. Frees up the strong safety, which frees up the SAM [Jordan], which makes life easier for the MIKE & WILL. With so many guys around the LOS [including a hybrid OLB], you don't need two rush ends. You can go to a 5-tech DE with 2-gap responsibility [think Odrick 2012, or Red Bryant]. With the 5-tech DE taking up 2 gaps and the SS in the box with his own gap assignment, it leaves less reading & reacting by the linebackers against the run, allowing them to play fast and fly to the ball. You can essentially wall off against the run with so many gaps controlled. You don't even need to penetrate the backfield to make stops. Just need your DTs & 5-tech stout enough to play 1-gap and hold, meaning- rather than penetrating like you'd expect from a normal 1-gap DT lined up between the offensive linemen, he's just gonna hold his own between them, essentially forming a 3 man wall, so there's no where for a back to run. The other DT is doing the same. The 5-tech doesn't need to wall anything off b/c he's a special player good enough to handle the gaps to the left and right of the tackle. If the DT's are versatile enough, they can pass rush from their 1-gap alignment. Starks & Odrick are both capable of these duties. You could even put Soliai as the 5-tech end and let him demolish the tackle which would be a beautiful thing I think. Considering Wake is essentially a left side only guy, Jones playing up would really help Cam when squared off against the offenses strong side. Would help prevent Cam from wearing down and allow him to save more energy for pass rushing, plus with the 8th defender, Cam would be freed up to focus solely on an outside rush, getting after the QB, and chasing plays down in the backfield.

    Anyways, that's what I think we should do. I'm tired of Coyle's defense. It's a good D, but not great. It has its weaknesses and clearly does a poor job utilizing talent to its potential. There's no excuse to have Reshad Jones playing the way he is when he should be closing in on All Pro status. No reason for Jordan to be at DE. No reason to have our LBs playing inadequately just for that minimal amount of added QB pressure. And no reason to prematurely wear Wake down.

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  6. ckparrothead

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    I have a tough time believing him as I believe there were witnesses cited in the police report.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    Guys like Bruce Ellington and Quincy Enunwa are why the scouts are calling this wide receivers draft really deep.

    I've yet to hit up Robert Herron and I've been putting off my dive on Davante Adams forever.

    I also want to get around to Mike Davis and Jeremy Gallon.

    I've resigned myself to not being able to get anything on John Brown, whose tape just isn't out there for me to get.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    Some more notes on some of the WRs:

     
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  9. Ludacris

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    You don't like Zach Martin?
     
  10. nosoapradio

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    Any Rice fans around these parts know anything about Phillip Gaines? I was able to watch the combine today and to me he aced the NFL's SATs. I found two videos with him in action and I like what I see...but I am no scout guru.

    This is from Draft Breakdown, my favorite site of draft season:
    [video=youtube_share;a_RCHLwMqns]http://youtu.be/a_RCHLwMqns[/video]

    And here are a few highlights from 2012. I know, "highlights":
    [video=youtube_share;aY5uFG16O4E]http://youtu.be/aY5uFG16O4E[/video]
     
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  11. ckparrothead

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    Not for what we would be getting out of him. I don't like him at left tackle.
     
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  12. Ludacris

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    That Phillip Gaines guy looks like a pure cover corner based on those videos. He can't tackle for the life of him and looks weak too. I like his coverage skills though.
     
  13. sports24/7

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    I don't think the Dolphins will get their LT in the draft. If they do draft Martin (and I'm not sure they would), it would be for RT or OG IMO.
     
  14. Ludacris

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    Zack Martin reminds me of Justin Pugh who incidentally was picked 19th overall last year. Pugh started 16 games at RT...not too bad I guess.
     
  15. ckparrothead

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    Honestly if we're getting a right tackle I don't see the difference between a Zack Martin and JaWuan James.
     
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  16. TooGoodForDez

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    Zack Martin is a first rounder, Jawuan James is not. Other than the fact he is better at tackle than James, Martin is also versatile so it gives you option in the future to move him if need be and have a highly successful guard. Martin can play LT successfully he proved it in college and at the senior bowl.
    The problem with Martin is perception, he does not test as well as Lewan, and he is not Robinson. While that is true and martin does not get you excited just like James does not, Martin is in the first round convo with Lewan and Robinson while James is not.
     
  17. Alex13

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    i was shocked he "only" ran a 4.51, he plays much faster than that, imo, that run where he tweaked his hammy and still scored from like 80 yards...unreal, he looks much faster than 4.51 to me
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    Unless I open up a web page right now I couldn't tell you how Zack Martin tested. I honestly don't know or remember. I know what I see on film, and here is what I had on him pre-Combine.

     
  19. TooGoodForDez

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    Other than Jake Matthews who is the only 0 risk prospect (other than injuries which is true of everyone), Zack Martin is the second behind him as far as low risk in this whole draft. He will perform at 1st grade level, you can pay him that money and not worry about it.
     
  20. invid

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    He's safe because if he doesn't work out at tackle he could be a capable guard, and I think that's it.
     
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  21. 77FinFan

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    Robinson? And I assume we are talking just O line here.
     
  22. TooGoodForDez

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    Robinson has risks, he is raw in pass pro. I am talking about the whole draft.
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    I believe there are risks with Greg Robinson but with his skill set I'm fairly confident he'll play one tackle position or the other. Zack Martin may have to move inside to guard and if he does he could also be a rather unexciting guard and an unexciting guard isn't worth a ton in this league. It's not that much of a safety net or "floor". A guy that you're pretty sure could be a right tackle if not a left tackle is going to have a much higher value "floor" than a guy you think could slip into guard if it doesn't work out at tackle.

    I believe Taylor Lewan is a lot safer than Zack Martin too.
     
  24. djphinfan

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    agreed on lewan..

    CK your thoughts on Jalen Watkins, Breeland from Clemson?

    I haven't seen their combines yet?
     
  25. 77FinFan

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    Lewan won't be there at 19 either.
     
  26. 77FinFan

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    Does anyone know where the new (latest CBA) payscale chart is? I have looked for it unsuccessfully.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    I've not been a fan of Breeland. He moves well and has pretty good hips but he's not a fast enough player to be trusted except in some systems, and to my eyes he seems to play kind of dumb.

    Don't have thoughts on Watkins yet.
     
  28. LBsFinest

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    we pick 19th, not 10th.
     
  29. ToddPhin

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    I don't agree with the first sentence, and I agree with the second bold half to an extent. He might not be "fast enough" to be trusted in every system, but every system doesn't matter. He only needs to go to a system that fits, which is a Cover-3, which he has enough speed for. I mentioned before that he's pretty much like Byron Maxwell, and that's what he is. Quality size, physical, good length, can play the ball downfield, and play the run.

    The problem at Clemson is Brent Venebles mixes up a lot of different coverages so you need to isolate one from the other. The majority of coverage is either cover 1 or Cover-2 man under. That's obviously not gonna be Maxwell's strong suit given his size, "not being fast enough" or twitchy enough, etc, so if you're a team that employs those coverages you're probably gonna drop him down your board. Venables also mixes in a nice chunk of Cover-3, which Breeland was born to play b/c it's goal is to take away the big play downfield rather than tracking receivers horizontally across it. He can use his physicality to press at the line, disrupt routes, and take away the screens and quick passes, and with deep third responsibility rather than underneath, speed is less of an issue b/c right off the bat he knows he's gonna need to get depth. So if you're a team that prefers Cover-3, he's gonna be high up your board, especially with teams scurrying to copycat Seattle. In a Cover-3 system he's a potential Pro Bowler.

    Just isolate the plays in the below clip. These are about the only only applicable plays, except for all the instances of defending the run which I omitted.
    0:17, 0:35- He would be doing a lot of this in Cover-3 [disrupting receivers at the line or just off]
    1:27- Here's a Cover-3 example. Playing the ball downfield. Only thing missing from this is the technique needs to improve. Needs to get a better left hand jab into the receiver's inside shoulder at the 45 yard line when the receiver is making his move to get by him. This would squash some of the receiver's momentum and allow Breeland to stay on top of him. You can see he can flip his hips well enough to transition.
    3:12- He's in man, but this particular play translates well if you run a Cover-3 b/c you can essentially pretend he's in deep third responsibility. He's got this play smothered.
    4:23- Defending the endzone.
    5:32- Defending the short pass in known short yardage situation [4th & 3].
    4:40- Added intangibles. Doesn't seem like a dumb play to me. Just sayin. Seems the opposite.
    5:55-
    2:47-
    rides receiver into the sideline with good leverage
    6:03-
    Great coverage. rides him to the sideline. Gives QB little room to work with. Badly thrown ball. NFL will fix his acuity with reading the receiver's eyes to know when to play the ball [like in the Byron Maxwell example here against Crabtree: www.MaxwellPicksCrabtree].
    [video=youtube;aJuuMKLSOCo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJuuMKLSOCo[/video]


    Other applicable Byron Maxwell examples that translate well to Breeland:
    0:54 against Boldin
    2:08 [watching the eyes]
    1:56 [watching the eyes]
    2:30 [similar to Breeland's coverage above]
    4:17 [similar to Breeland's 6:03 play above]
    4:38 [cover-3 again, uses his size and physicality to come back and force the fumble on Demaryius Thomas]
    [video=youtube;iGTgTy72eew]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGTgTy72eew[/video]
     
  30. Limbo

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    Guy I talked up many pages ago is making a splash in this evaluation period. First he left the combine without participating because God told him to. Said God also told him he would be a Seahawk. But now he's missing?! Got on a flight to Florida and no one's seen him in a few days. Quite the story, Adam Muema. Hope he's all right.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...to-be-found-after-god-spoke-to-him-at-combine
     
  31. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    In other news, Adam Muema has been discovered to be schizophrenic.
     
  32. PhinsRDbest

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    the next dimension
    I heard he was at the top of Ireland's board
     
  33. PhinsRDbest

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    the next dimension
    Also CK, see the Jason Peters extension...one or two of those Eagles o-lineman have got to be available.
     
  34. ckparrothead

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    I know. Little chance of happening tho.
     
  35. djphinfan

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    I think I would take Breelands game from Clemson over all three corners from Florida, at least he's physical enough not to get pushed around by receivers..

    What is up with that gator program and recruiting cornerbacks.
     
  36. djphinfan

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    I said a month ago when. Purifoy was mocked heavily in the 2nd...didnt see it then, don't see it now.
     
  37. ckparrothead

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    The Gators recruited the best corner in the country last year, Vernon Harvreaves III.

    I've never been particularly high on what I saw on tape from Watkins, Roberson or Purifoy. It was telling that whenever I wanted to isolate them it was usually because a wide receiver I liked had torched them and I was tempted to point them out because those three corners are rated high by various services yet my guy made mince meat of them.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    Byron Maxwell and Bashaud Breeland have basically one thing in common. They both went to Clemson.

    Otherwise they're not the same player. Byron Maxwell was always a physical marvel at 6'0" and running a 4.42. You could see his speed and total athletic ability on tape at Clemson.

    When I took a look at Bashaud Breeland, speed deficiency was one of the first things that jumped out at me. And that was well before he ran a 4.62 at the Combine.
     
  39. djphinfan

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    It's about time on Vernon.too much of the same has run it's course.

    Yup, stock down on all three gators, I can't see any of them as starters...
     
  40. djphinfan

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    I know Landry is in Mayocks top 5, and Jarvis is a tough little sob, just a mad man on the field, but I'm taking Beckham over him, the speed, the return ability, more precise route runner..
     

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