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I know its early but do you like what Hickey is doing

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan40, Mar 9, 2014.

  1. dolfan40

    dolfan40 Well-Known Member

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    What im reading i like what he's doing,maybe we have luck and found finally a solution,but March 11 we will know how he can get us competive and not spending like Ireland and buyin busts...
     
  2. What has he done so far?

    resigned Grimes? I think that was a good move.
     
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  3. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

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    if the reports are true and we are getting albert, id like his opening salvos.
     
  4. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    We're talking to the right players so far it seems. Resigning grimes was a good move. Talk to me next week.
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You're right about one thing, it's too early to say.
     
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  6. NaboCane

    NaboCane Banned

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    I'm hoping he earns much praise in the next two months.
     
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  7. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Glad to see you hoping again :knucks:

    Let's hope that next year we turn it around. I can't begin to fathom a new QB search if we don't.
     
  8. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Five posts in and no one is demanding he be fired?

    Yeah it's definitely too early.
     
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  9. gilv13

    gilv13 Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, Ireland would probably have done the same things up until this point. Lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
     
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  10. fins104

    fins104 New Member

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    I would like it a lot more if he cut/restructured Dimitri Patterson.
     
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  11. NyPhinfan

    NyPhinfan Season Ticket Holder

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    I have no doubt that decision is coming soon
     
  12. fins104

    fins104 New Member

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    I want to keep him, just not at 5.4 million. Restructure him to a new two year deal at 3 per and we have a great CB group even without Taylor or Davis being healthy and improving. With them improving, we might have a top 5 cb group.
     
  13. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    He hasn't done enough to say.
     
  14. MIASportsFan

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    If this Albert news the Herald is reporting is true I will be very pleased so far. Resigned Grimes at a reasonable deal and locked up a quality LT.
     
  15. Killer B's

    Killer B's Junior Member

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    No need to bring him into the post. He had his shot last year and was really awesome at it.

    As for Hickey, if we actually land 1/2 good oline players then he's going in the right direction but I'm still in the way too early camp.
     
  16. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    Not if we sign 30 year old Brandon Albert with back issues and 0 upside to 9.5 mil a year when there are younger,better,healthier prospects, and it sounds like Veldheer is going to sign for a lot less.

    If the Dolphins really did end up with another idiot GM then maybe the organization is just doomed until Ross sells.
     
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  17. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Ill feel great with Albert if its a frontloaded 4-5 year deal that allows us to dump him with minimal cap penalty the last two years.
     
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  18. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Way, way, way too early to be defining Hickey...at this point all he's done is sign a few UDFAs and re-signed Grimes...even the guy who used to be the GM here would likely have done the same...lets see how this offseason plays out. Wow...way too early...
     
  19. LBsFinest

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    basically...this thread is ridiculous.
     
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  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I have hopes for Hickey, but so far he has only resigned Grimes which was a Ross mandate. Let's wait a month and revisit the topic.
     
  21. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Everyone thought Ireland had done a pretty good job last off season.

    The proof of Hickey doing a decent job will be:
    1) Decent O-line play
    2) Lazor improving the offense, especially with regards to being less predictable.
    3) Maintaining or improving the play of the defense. Ireland`s single biggest problem was that he would weaken one part in order to strengthen another meaning that the overall quality if the team did not improve.

    Over riding all of these for me will be Development of Young Players.
    Miami has sucked at this for over a decade. Some of it appears to be from coaching staff, some from the locker room culture, some from an antagonistic attitude between the FO and the players. Until young players are happy to be with the `phins, are taught fundamentals and given fair opportunities to play then we will be stuck on the 8-8 treadmill or worse.
     
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  22. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I agree it's too early to start getting a grasp for Hickey. There are some things to glean. Some good, some bad.

    First off with respect to Brent Grimes, his bedside manner was a plus. When you have the player and his wife specifically talking about what he did to help make the deal happen that's a good sign. The decision to re-sign Grimes though was in all likelihood made before Hickey was even hired, but I wouldn't understate his role in getting Brent to sign on the dotted line.

    I'm leery of the decision to let the two DTs walk. I would want one back. They think there are plug and play options available on market and I don't think that's true. There are good draft prospects at the position but some of them are going to be higher impact than others as rookies and the one I would guarantee to be high impact should be long gone by pick 19 (Aaron Donald).

    I think by showing a preference for Branden Albert (left tackle) and Rodger Saffold (guard), we see a confirmation of trends established in Tampa along the OL. He prefers big, wide bodied guys with a lot of strength at the guard and tackle positions. He seems willing to sacrifice mobility at tackle. Specifically I disagree with his choosing Albert over Eugene Monroe, Anthony Collins and Jared Veldheer...especially at the price tag being discussed. I think it's a mistake. They're not going to get Saffold but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they circle back to another favorite guard of mine, Geoff Schwartz...given the established preferences.

    Given some other names he's interested in (Jairus Byrd among others) I think it just exemplifies his regard for consistent production and his not being afraid of veterans. That can go either way because valuing consistent production depends on what you define as production. This is where an analytics department would help the team to define that production. You get the feeling that for a guy like Hickey consistent production for a defensive end is just a sack tally, which is not something I'm going to agree with.

    Not being afraid of the veteran player is a good thing as Miami seemed completely allergic under Ireland. That's a positive. But you can't swing too far the other direction either and judging by some things, we're a little close to that.

    We'll just have to see what shakes out and who signs.
     
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  23. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I said it before he was fired: I had 0 faith in Ireland's ability to resign Grimes to any kind of long term deal.
     
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  24. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Tampa has made some FA splashes the last few years. I expect Hickey will this year as well.

    If he gets Albert AND Byrd, I'll be impressed. If he then gets a solid DT in the draft and an upgrade at WR I'll be ecstatic.

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  25. scotty_irnbru

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    Albert seems positive, there may have been better choices available but at least we have made a start. Grimes staying is good. Lets judge him in a year.
     
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  26. ILDolPhan

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    I could be wrong, but I thought Hickey was an analytics guy.

    I agree that the DT position is going to be an issue by not resigning Starks or Soliai. Maybe they've got somebody else in mine that's a FA.

    I would be pretty happy if they could pick up Geoff Schwartz in addition to Albert. They'd still have work to do, but they'd be headed in the right direction. Schwartz would cost less and is healthier than Saffold.
     
  27. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I happen to know he's not. Or at least he was not, in Tampa.
     
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  28. ILDolPhan

    ILDolPhan New Member

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    Well, I hope they incorporate analytics somewhat into their drafting philosophy. That is a nice supplement (not a replacement) to traditional scouting.

    On a side note, what's the deal with Mark Dominik...I thought he would be in Miami's front office shortly after Gaine left. I know he's doing a few spots with ESPN, so maybe he's just weighing his options for now.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    why do you get that feeling with hickey about def ends and sack total?
     
  30. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Two possibilities.

    The first is the Dolphins may not like the picture it would paint having Dominik join Hickey right away. They hired Dennis Hickey, not the Tampa front office. They have to recognize that the Buccaneers have not exactly built great teams over the last few years. They can justify Hickey's hiring by saying he wasn't in charge and his evaluations were actually good. But that naturally shifts the blame for everything bad that happened onto Mark Dominik. If they hire Dominik to be Hickey's assistant that gives them significantly less cover.

    I mean, think about it. Mark Dominik and Dennis Hickey were in charge of a front office that produced 3-13, 4-12, 7-9 and 4-12 records to go along with one 10-6 record. That's a 28-52 (.350) record whereas Jeff Ireland's front office produced a 35-45 (.438) record over the same time period. Like I said it's one thing to extract Hickey out of that front office and pretend that his evaluations as the GM's right hand man had little to do with the team's poor performance. It's another thing to extract both the Assistant AND the GM and just switch up their titles and pretend everything's great.

    The second possibility was raised to me when Dennis Hickey was first hired, by people that had a lot of contact with both Dominik and Hickey. Mark Dominik is a very well liked individual, within the organization and the press. He's affable, he likes dealing with people, and a lot of people respect him. Dennis Hickey was not so much. He could be very smooth in one on one settings especially when talking to people he knows he needs to impress. But within the facility he was less liked, considered more reclusive, more surly, etc. The press in Tampa disliked him tremendously as he seemed to operate under the presumption that they should be happy anyone even bothers to talk to them at all so they should accept him sticking obviously to completely opaque talking points. Certain media actually requested they not be given Dennis Hickey when they asked for someone to interview about the team's personnel moves. They same people they disliked Hickey generally liked Dominik.

    So the theory that was posed to me within a day of Hickey's hire was that even though Dominik was considered a shoe-in to be hired as his right hand man, don't be surprised if he's not because Hickey might feel a little bit threatened by how popular Dominik would naturally end up with people inside the building and especially in the press.

    Personally while I do think some of that is going on, I don't know that it will last long. I believe Hickey would like the opportunity to branch out on his own for a little bit without Dominik around. But that may only extend through the 2014 off season before he decides he's established himself enough that he can bring his friend Mark Dominik on board.

    But the question is...will Steve Ross let him? Like I said. Ross wasn't buying Tampa Bay's 28-52 record during the Dominik/Hickey regime. He was buying Dennis Hickey, who was supposedly a good evaluator stuck in a bad front office on a bad team.
     
  31. Da 'Fins

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    Definitely impossible to say whether he's doing a good job or not.

    Let's see who he actually signs!

    The Dolphins were notorious for "entertaining" big time free agents, or FAs at key need positions, but not signing any. I really could careless who they are "interested in" - what matters is the bottom line. Who do they actually sign?
     
  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He made the right all on resigning grimes, but it's just way to early, sorry.
     
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  33. Unlucky 13

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    Im liking it all so far.

    1) Resign Grimes to a deal thats fair to both parties and lets the Fins get out after two years if they need to.
    2) Cut dead weight Patterson, freeing up money for more moves.
    3) Sign Delmas to play FS, and pay him less than the going rate on a 1 year deal. If he works out, we reup next year.
    4) Apparently, LT is solved tomorow.

    so far, so great.
     
  34. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    It's still WAY too early to say and in the end, it's results oriented. I believe it was the 95 or 96 Dolphins that had 32 former first round picks on its roster, from Marino to Trace Armstrong on its roster and we were being heralded as preseason Super Bowl contenders...which ultimately ended in yet another heart breaking season for the Phins.

    In the end, it's the season's results that determine whether preseason moves were good moves or not but with that being said...

    If the reports are true and he doesn't become another Albert Haynesworth, I do think the signing of Branden Albert helps bolster our seriously lacking offensive line
     
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  35. Fin-Omenal

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    Still early but his approval rating is on the incline in my book, especially if we get Starks back. Just need more OL bodies.
     
  36. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    Absolutely.


    '95 season and it was more like 19 former first RDers. It was just a bad mixture of attitudes & injury histories. I know one thing, if we had 32 on 1 roster we wouldn't have given up 300 rush yards to the Jills.
     
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  37. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    It is way, way too early, but if you look at the early returns....

    1) re-signed Grimes...good deal for both parties, but a move that HAD to happen.
    2) Sign Brandon Albert...a bit high for my taste of his abilities, but not excessive and a certain position of NEED...He was the best out there. Monroe was staying in Baltimore...Ozzy doesn't make those kind of mistakes...
    3) Sign Mitchell...Good solid player at a reasonable price. Replaced Soliai's spot with a guy that is more suited to Coyle's liking... Good move.
    4) Sign Louis Delmas - reasonable stop-gap, but there is a question as to how much of an improvement over Clemons this really is...
    5) Re-signed Starks...2 yrs, reasonable price for his ability and coupled with Mitchell, re-establishes a position of strength of this team.

    So far, so good....however, let me remind everyone that we still have to replace LG, RG and RT along the OL... We need a #2 and #3 corner. We still need to bolster the RB position. Something still needs to be done with the LB position. At this point, what we did last year was a miserable fail...

    So, I need to see some more 2nd tier additions to fill some of these holes before I go ga-ga over his moves to date...
     
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  38. Fin-Omenal

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    Signing Patterson back for a discount with a healthy Jamar I think is feasible, you just need solid backups because very likely one of those guys get hurt.
     
  39. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    That is the first I've heard anyone on this. What makes you think that Albert will tank ? His history doesn't show that ?? We certainly overpaid for him, but a) not that much of an over payment and it's the nature of the beast (FA) and b) while he's not a top 5 LT, he's certainly a to 10 LT... It's not a complete workover of the roster by any stretch, but it's a great start...
     
  40. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I had forgotten that they've expressed to Patterson that coming back was an option...that would be good. As to Taylor, yeah, I was just going off of what he did (or realistically didn't do) last year...
     

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