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I'ld be happy to see him on the roster as long as its a reasonable contract. It would be an upgrade to what they have now and some more veteran pressence in the huddle would not hurt either.

 

Better than what we have right now

 

Moreno story has been retracted.

 

Soooooo.....?

 

Well don't care about Moreno, he's not that good... I rather give Lamar Miller another chance and Lamar is very average...

 

You'll probably get your wish but he didn't really benefit any more than before when playing with Manning. His avg per carry was about the same when Orton and Tebow were the QBs.

 

what are you guys smoking? Moreno had over 1000 yards last season and 10 TD's, thats not that far off both our RBs from last season combined, it would be a clear upgrade

 

Moreno would sign his contract and get injured

 

I laughed, then cringed at this.

 

It does make me wonder what if anything is percolating out there in terms of FA.

 

We may or may not make more moves in FA, I don't know, but I think this fanbase has a tendency to think that if there isn't the same starter as the year before, then that spot can only be filled through FA or the draft. I think they forget backups from the year before may be ready to move forward. Its probably because we're not used to talent being developed and also because we tend to think in the terms of if a rookie doesn't make an immediate impact, then they never will make any impact. I know we all know that isn't true, but I still think many people forget to apply that line of thought to the team.

 

What's the deal w Alex Mack? Did people just severely over-estimate his value or does he have some issues that the general public doesn't know about?

 

Transition tag scaring people off. Essentially, anyone negotiating with Mack is just doing Cleveland's job for them. If it's a good offer, they will just match. Need to overpay to get him and I guess he isn't valued as a must have guy in that regard.

 

Yup. Sam Brenner or Dallas Thomas may have shown improvement that isn't apparent to us fans, and this staff barely trusts rookies to begin with outside of Tannehill.

 

Ben Tate's contract is for two years, $5.45M with only $2.5M guaranteed. Amazing how cheap the RB market is.

 

I think there's a good argument that he hasn't really been that productive in his career and Peyton Manning might be a cause for it.

It's hard to outright dismiss him though, people moon for Reggie Bush and what he did with Detroit this year and it's basically the same thing.

 

Pretty much. My problem w Moreno isn't whether he could be productive here, it's can he stay healthy? Also Bush's biggest issue, or one of.

 

I think you can argue whether or not he is a feature back. I do think he would be a huge upgrade and be a good fit for this team as a tandem back.

 

I agree with you. With the cap space that we have left, I can't put my head around the teams seeming lack of interest in signing proven players to 2-3 mil. deals where that guy would be a clear upgrade over what we have. What's to lose?

 

First of all, WADR, your take on Dallas Thomas is irrelevant. Its irrelevant because you personally do not have data on Thomas to make an educated opinion on what he is or is not ready for. None of us do, because we didn't see him play very much at all. I know that, in and of itself, is an argument against him being ready, but it is not damning or proof. Again, we don't know if he's made any progress at all. Also, Jon Martin's abilities or lack thereof have zero bearing on Thomas. Zilch. Zip. Nada.

All of our WRs are vets so I don't know why we're acting like we need an influx of veteran leadership there. We also don't really have the snaps for a guy that isn't 100x better than what's there.

The only thing our RBs need is a short yardage specialist who can pass block and an improved line. We could replace Thomas with a better runner and pout him ahead of Miller, but its not a dire need.

The draft is for young players that are depth till they become better then the starters. That's as it should be.

 

Im somewhat okay with going this year with the same WR core...if they stay healthy they're sufficient...but that is on the assumption that we pick up someone in the draft for WR/TE.

However, the OL and RB has me baffled as well. You'd think one more vet in either of those squads would really be worthwhile...its a bit perplexing. Wouldn't you rather let the draft be purely BPA? Or at least let the draft be a bonus and trust you have something _Sufficient_ by FA only?

Guess we'll see how it plays out...

 

Looking at the Tate deal, its likely he wouldn't cost that much, so is it relevant? we have the cap space... sign him to a one year deal and if he is an injury liability, no big deal, i can't see any negatives to it at all

 

The O-line looked like it wasn't even coached at times last year; I'm not sure how we can assume that the young players learned anything last year that will help them get better. I'm not assuming they won't get better, because even with crappy coaching sometimes a player can make a leap due to better training habits and just "getting it" with some experience. Also, maybe some of the players will take some steps forward this year with new o-line coaches.

However, this is a make-or-break year for the coaching staff, and one could argue it's a make-or-break year for Tannehill. I lean toward Da 'Fins' assessment here: we can hope for development along the o-line, but there isn't much to instill confidence other than each person's ability to hope. Personally, I think the best step for the o-line is to get some people who have some experience doing it somewhere else.

There's good news: the o-line doesn't need to become great for this team to succeed. Even an improvement from "terrible" to "below average" might have been enough to win vs. Baltimore or Buffalo (the first time). I probably forgot a game or two that might have turned with even one block.

More good news: I think the best place on this team for coaching to have an impact at developing players is in the defensive backfield, which does have some young, talented players who are needed in this upcoming season. IMO, this is our best shot to see this "player development" phenomenon that many of us haven't seen much of as Dolphin fans over the past decade.

 

Um, yeah, a player's first preseason is not predictive of anything, especially for a player that got tried at tackle and guard in practice before those games on a line that sucked across the board. I'm not forgetting anything, you are just giving WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much significance to the minor data you have. Your position is basically that a handful of snaps during games that don't matter, for a first year player, who was switched around in different positions, virtually guarantees he's no good.

Um, yeah, you said....

You don't need a vet WR for explosion. You can improve the WR corps even more cheaply in the draft.

There's this thing, called an offensive line, that a RB needs to operate correctly to do his job. I said we also needed a short yardage specialist, btw.

No one has said that on this board. I never said that. We were average last year, because our oline stopped us from being better. We've already dramatically improved our oline with Albert, Smith and the new oline coach. We were also hampered by our OC which has also been upgraded.

All anyone is saying is that hand wringing over not signing more FAs at this point is probably premature and is not factoring in:

- that other players we have may have improved as players tend to do
- that FA is FAR from over
- there's still the draft yet
- there will be more cuts after the draft

 

WADR its way too early to give up on Thomas as one preseason rarely defines a players career. When he came out there was some debate as whether he is a guard or tackle. Last years staff viewed him as a tackle and were reluctant to switch him to guard despite the obvious need. It will be interesting to see if the new OL coaches share that same philosophy. If he is kept at tackle and isn't pushing to start, you would have to question why as many felt he could start right away at guard.

 

I think Dallas starts, and hopefully he becomes solid. We need a right tackle and that will probably be someone from the draft that we pick in one of the first 3 rounds. Regardless, our offensive line is better than last year in my opinion. John Jerry, Jon Martin, Clabo and Richie were all crap. Smith, Albert are already two clear upgrades and Dallas should get better in this offseason and we pick up a tackle in the first or second round and Tannehill's life is good.

 

As fans, we really have virtually no idea of what Dallas thomas may turn out to be. We just haven't seen enough of him. That little preseason glimpse we saw last year means little.

On the OL, there are some guys who seem ready to play right away, regardless fo their draft status, and others that take some more time. But even just looking at the Dolphins over the last 10-15 years or so we've seen several OL who couldn't do anything as rookies but who developed into pretty good players. Vernon Carey is one. Wade Smith started as a rookie, but didn't play well, then had a ferw years where he couldn't do anything, and then resurrected his career and became a Pro Bowler. Evan Mathis passed through here for a cup of coffee early in his career, after being cut by a few other teams, and we cut him too, only to see him eventually develop into one of the best OGs in the league.

 

Get outta here with that logic stuff.

 

I'm hoping Benton and what's his name make a difference.

 

I think you are missing the point. Or at least a significant part of it. While we as fans have no basis for relying on Thomas as a starter this year, the coaching staff may have such basis. The coaches know humans saw him
In practice all last season. Now some of last year's coaches are gone, but Philbin and others are still here. And the new coaches probably have seen practice footage from last year. I guess the point is that if the coaches feel confident that Thomas will be a quality starter how can you, or anyone else here, meaningfully say they are wrong?


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