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Vick to the Jets

Discussion in 'AFC East Rivals' started by aagarcia, Mar 21, 2014.

  1. Ronnie Bass

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    Awesome
     
  2. 666Dog

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    How can you be so sure? My bet is he thinks he can beat out Geno for the starting role and that's why he chose the Jets. Have the Jets came out and made a statement that Vick has no chance to be the starter?
     
  3. VManis

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    Don't tell that to Vick. Going into FA he said he wanted to go to a team where he had an opportunity to start. So if you expect him to play second fiddle to Smith, I think you will have a very unhappy camper in your locker room. And if Geno struggles or the Ls start to stack up that unhappiness will spread to other players in the locker room who will be remembering Vick's highlight reels and wondering why they are suffering through Geno's learning curve.

    If you truly believe in Smith then you bring in a vet who is content to be a back-up and mentor to Smith not someone who has the potential to be a malcontent particularly given Geno's frail ego (see last years draft).
     
  4. 666Dog

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    Right out of the gates, it’s unclear whether Vick is there to support starting quarterback Geno Smith or to try to send Geno to the bench.
    “I have an opportunity to come in and compete,” Vick said. “Push Geno, help him. Be there for him. And just try to help this team win some games in whatever way I can, and that’s going to be my contribution.”

    It’s almost better to just make Vick the starter from the get go. He’s clearly the better quarterback, and he’s destined to send Smith — who was shaky without someone breathing down his neck — to the sidelines. It’s better to just make the move and focus on getting Smith ready to play in the inevitable event that Vick suffers an injury that knocks him out of action for a week or two.


    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-message-in-his-first-comments-with-the-jets/
     
  5. BicketyBam

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    Does that sound like something any football team would ever say? Obviously if Smith fell flat on his face, or was injured, Vick would start. They have basically said it's Smith's job to lose. Go check Vick's statements.
     
  6. BicketyBam

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    Go ask Matt Moore if he wants to be the starter or if he is content being a backup.
     
  7. Fame

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    Vick said he wants a chance to compete which means he ideally wants to play well and start. That's why he signed a 1 year " prove it" deal. Guys who resign themselves to being backups don't sign 1 year deals.
     
  8. BicketyBam

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    In a perfect world, he doesn't play.
     
  9. 666Dog

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    "IF" Smith falls flat on his face? Again, Vick signed thinking that he could beat out Smith. I bet most people on this forum could beat out Smith.
     
  10. aagarcia

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    Why all the hate for a Miami kid? Man......
     
  11. Vertical Limit

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    I think what really has me worried is that the Jets are one of the front runners to land Desean...
     
  12. 666Dog

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    I don't hate him. He is a terrible QB though.
     
  13. BicketyBam

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  14. Clark Kent

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    In all fairness, we absolutely suck...
     
  15. cdz12250

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    Beyond doubt. Last year. Which is why there's been a massacre. Let's see how much less we suck this year with the new people.
     
  16. dolphindebby

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    I'm glad Vick never came to our team.

    The dog's s---, blood and vomit will stay on his hands forever.
    And when he get out of football, he probably go right back to his old ways.
     
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  17. Vertical Limit

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    What Vick did to the dogs was horrible, but people can learn from their mistakes. Whether people will ever forgive him or not that's all up to them and how their personality works.

    All that aside he's still a very average quarterback, but he can do some wild things that hurts any defense.. Still think the Jets' quarterback situation is the worst in the division.
     
  18. Clark Kent

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    Can a sociopath ever stop being a sociopath? What Mike Vick did to those dogs is beyond cruel. He tortured them. That's not a "mistake." That's a personality disorder.
     
  19. Fin D

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    Exactly!!!!!!!

    Forget the dog fighting. Pretend that part never happened. The real problem with Vick was that he took dogs that couldn't fight or lost fights, and came up with new ways to torture and kill them. Electrocution, drowning, hanging, beatings, you name it, he did it. It was purely for fun too, that's why he came up with new ways to torture. Think about the amount of thought it takes to electrocute a dog, for example.

    This is a sick ****. He's not really sorry either. He actually had the audacity to complain that he wasn't allowed to have a dog, because his kids wanted one. He's literally blaming the law.

    That mother ****er can die a slow painful death for all I care. He's a POS, with no redeeming qualities.
     
  20. To be fair, as bad as what he did was....

    He is still no Richie Incognito
     
  21. ASOT

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    I agree completely Miss Debbie. He is the absolute scum of the Earth. Folks are you forgetting he willingly, took pleasure in torturing and SLOWLY killed innocent animals. Only a totally sick person does such a thing, and I don't believe they can be rehabilitated. Once a killer always a killer.
     
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  22. ASOT

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    amen !
     
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  23. Alex44

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    Yes. A person is capable of being whatever they want to be at any given moment. Good, evil and everything in between.

    That said he's a bad QB and now the Jets have two of those.
     
  24. BicketyBam

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    My cat said Vick is ok.
     
  25. Alex44

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    Come on stop being an elitist. It was an evil act but its no more evil than 90%of the things humanity does to eachother and nature. Humans as a whole are a negative entity.
     
  26. finfansince72

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    Its not elitist to be opposed to butchering animals for your own sick pleasure. Vick committed acts of evil on innocent animals because he thought it was fun, thats not something 90% of the people out there do. I can get that some people will forgive and forget but me, I don't think there is rehab for someone doing what he did. The guy is not worthy of being an NFL player anymore and fans that sugarcoat what he did simply don't understand that evil exists or they just don't care and thats up to the individual, but there is nothing elitist about looking at Vick did to those dogs, calling it and him evil and deciding that you want nothing to do with him. Elitist is judging a kid because his family is poor or something like that, not judging a human being by their evil, cruel acts on innocent creatures that had no ability to defend themselves.
     
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  27. 666Dog

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    55% completion rate

    12 TD's

    21 INT's

    QBR of 66


    He sucks. No matter this one play from last season...he sucks. Pretending that he has any upside is just wishful thinking, IMO.
     
  28. BicketyBam

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    Is someone butthurt? Lol :D
     
  29. 666Dog

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    Project much? I wrote that Smith sucks and you then show him running in a TD against the Dolphins.

    I guess replying with irrefutable proof, to a Jest fan, is butthurt.
     
  30. 666Dog

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    And speaking of horrible.

    Vick has a career 56% completion rate with an 80 QBR. lol
     
  31. BicketyBam

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    I wouldn't call that "horrible." But you are free to use a less than 60% completion rate and a QBR of 80 or less as horrible :shifty:
     
  32. finfansince72

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    I think they believe that Vick will win the job. Geno is either going to show up and work like crazy, improve and show it in preseason or he's going to be watching Vick for a season. Funny thing is that I'd rather have Sanchez over either of them and that is pathetic.
     
  33. Claymore95

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    Jets owner Woody Johnson was asked if Geno is the 1 and Vick is the 2: "I don't know. We gotta let it play out and see what happens."
     
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  34. BicketyBam

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    I believe Geno will beat him out. That is why I say Vick will be the backup.
     
  35. dolphindebby

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    He chose to do that to the dogs. At least a person can defend himself from getting shocked & beat.
     
  36. Fin D

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    I just want to point out something else here.....fighting dogs are not human aggressive. Think about it, these dog fighters don't want human aggressive dogs cause it would be hell transporting them and working them, etc.

    Basically, they're every bit as subservient to humans as a typical family dog. So Vick took these dogs, that only wanted to please him, like most dogs, looked it in the eyes and beat it to death. Or held it under water till till it died. Or hooked up jumper cables to its legs and electrocuted it to death. He derived pleasure from their suffering. That's not a mistake. That's evil.

    Dog fighting is heinous, but it can be a cultural problem. Going above and beyond the vicious reality of dog fighting to straight torture for enjoyment is unforgivable in an adult. Especially one, who has only displayed remorse int he consequences of actions not for the actions themselves.
     
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  37. CaribPhin

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    A lot of this is cultural. I'm from a majority black country that isn't as well off as the US obviously. The major public sentiment is that Vick got too harsh a punishment. Part of that is the perception that the US comes down harsher on crimes against animals than those against humans.

    Another part is class. People in the US middle class and up have it relatively easy. They can form more complex bonds with animals. A lot of people, especially lower income individuals, can't relate to this. They're more likely to form a complex relationship with the repo man or the mailman who brings bill notices. These people tend not to be able to understand the fixation with animals.

    It's not elitism, it's the fact that class and culture divides seep into everything and animal lovers tend not to be able to fathom how someone can't see it that way, while many other people aren't invested enough into animals to understand the affinity.

    Have you ever met someone who couldn't understand your love for sports and the Dolphins? Remember that feeling of wanting to strangle them? You ever watch a cricket lover sit down and enjoy a match, to your confusion? It's the same principle as to why you're on different pages. You value things differently. You can't expect someone whose number one priority growing up was finding something to eat to understand the love that animal lovers feel. Those relationships are luxury items still.

    Personally me, I'm an animal lover. I tried to take home every stray I found while in Mexico and I'm disappointed that I can't have a pet where I live right now, but, being from where I'm from I interact with non animal lovers all the time. They're usually not evil, they're just different.

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  38. CaribPhin

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    I hope you don't make business decisions with that faith :tongue2:

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  39. Fin D

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    I'm obviously a huge animal lover, but I admit dog fighting is cultural. That's why I don't judge him as harshly as others for the dog fighting. My problem is the dogs he tortured. That is not cultural.

    Also, Vick didn't really serve that time just for dog fighting. He served it because he lied and because of the gambling involved (not saying you said that's all he was jailed for, I'm just clarifying). In reality, our laws are pretty minor for animal cruelty. Dishearteningly so.
     
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  40. BicketyBam

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    I never knew that had evidence that Michael Vick personally tortured dogs for pleasure. I am being honest. Well, I just found this:

    I was unable to find something that states he did it simply for sadistic pleasure.

    Now as far as the dogs not being "human aggressive" I did read something where 2 of the rescued dogs had to be put down because they were too aggressive towards humans. I think to say that the dogs were every bit as subservient as your own pet dog is speculative. Do you really know that Michael Vick and his conspirators could roll around and play fight with these dogs like I can with my 140 lb Bullmastiff? I really don't think you can make that statement.

    I love animals, and not just dogs. I am not going to sit here and defend what he did. Dog fighting is a crime and I find it pretty sickening. I also find **** fighting sickening even though I don't have roosters running around my family room. And if you really want to see abuse that will make what Michael Vick and his gang did to those dogs look like a tickle fight, go watch some videos of what goes on in a slaughter house. But since chickens, pigs and cows aren't cute and domesticated (and we eat them), it is largely ignored by public. But that is another story....

    Plenty of Jets fans are outraged over the Vick signing. Plenty have said they will give up their season tickets or simply not root for the team as long as Vick is a part of it. I am not one of those people. He committed a crime and was punished. He lost over $100 million dollars. There is nothing he can do to undo what has happened in the past. From what I have read he is making a real effort to protect dogs in the future. But I get that some people will never forgive what he did. Fair enough - everyone is entitled to their beliefs. I am sure if Aaron Hernandez walked on some technicality, there would be fans of every team that would look past what he all but certainly did and would root for him if he joined their team.
     

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