Mike Wallace On The Trade Block!!!

"My $60 million dollar receiver is disappointing. His effort sucks and I don't like his attitude."
- Nocoach Ever

 

Good post. I bolded the part that strikes me as sadly funny around the "trade him and draft somebody" line of thinking: this next draft is always going to be the one that changes history for the Phins.

 

The number 19 is jinxed when it comes to miami and WRs

 

What does using him effectively like the Steelers did entail?

On top of which, you'd also have to be in a situation where Wallace gives a **** enough to perform to that level.

 

Wallace talked a lot about Ben extending plays. Wallace was probably available for 2-3 more TD's if Tannehill's pocket presence had improved.

 

ill agree with that, and would also like to see more shots deep on roll outs, set that mother up and let him let it fly.

 

When a qb is sacked in under 2.5 seconds, his pocket presence isn't the problem. in fact, that means there's no pocket to even have presence in.

 

Which has what to do with Wallace?

 

As a general observation, he ain't wrong. Didn't Binns wear #19?

 

Before I read through all this BS, dont discount the threat that Wallace provides everytime he is on the field.

 

Yes. Do you believe in jinxes and superstitions?

 

I did not say it had anything to do with him. I was referring to having the 19th pick in the draft and using it on a WR. 19 has not been a good number to be associated with in miami. It was a joke.

 

Oh, he really does not provide any threat. It is all an illusion.

 

Do you believe in having a sense of humor?

 

Is that a rhetorical question?

 

only if rhetorical means smart ***

 

Yes, he's real fast.

So are dozens of other guys who aren't remotely as overpaid, many of whom have better skills at the job they're being paid to do.

 

Yup thats it. Hes fast. Mine as well sign Usain Bolt because thats all you have to do to get a fat contract in the NFL.....easy as that.

 

Instructive comparison here is Rocket Ismail, IMO.

 

What exactly did he do well last year outside of him being very fast?

 

VERY instructive....just compare the numbers.

 

He did a real good job of getting open and overthrown and underthrown.....he can't throw it to himself.

 

No, but he can adjust to the ball. He can go up and high point it. Or, lay out for it. Most (if not all) of the elite WR's do. And, in watching him play last year, to me it looked like his arms never went above his head. If the ball didn't drop right into his bread basket, in full stride, he wasn't going to do anything to compensate for it.

JMHO.

 

I mean I agree with that, it frustrated me too. However, he did more than just "run fast" all season.

 

Its not hatred. It just is kinda ****ty that a player who got $60 million won't fight for the damn ball to the point where some would rather blame our QB.

 

That's uh, good work there. Totally worth the time it took to think and type out, and was completely something you should have posted.

So basically he just ran real fast, then?

Him looking open on deep passes that he didn't get thrown to isn't valuable, or a sign that there was loads of production left on the field.

 

The not fighting for the ball card is funny, if he didn't readjust, comeback or make an effort for the football he would've had ZERO plays over 15 yards.

Rewatch Carolina, Indy, Baltimore Buffalo then tell me he doesn't adjust to POORLY thrown balls.

 

Well no, he didn't really get open a lot. He didn't sit there wide open deep and Tannehill failed to throw the ball to him. There were plenty of circumstances where it was clear the ball wasn't going to Wallace, or the ball coming out or in the process of being thrown where a defensive back breaks off or shows down to react to the actual play.

The idea that Wallace had a bunch of shots on the field that should have been taken is fantasy fueled by a hope that Wallace isn't the problem. The guy was already very close to the top in targets in the league, tossing him more wasn't going to help.

Throwing Mike Wallace the ball 6-7 times deep isn't a viable offensive plan, it's basically the Randy Ratio on steroids and likely to be even less useful. No one gets thrown the ball 6-7 times deep in a game.

 

I think he did more/better later in the season. He had a few good games, and looked like a solid WR for us. But...at the end of the day I think you have to ask yourself...is he worth the contract? And, is he a legit #1 guy? IMHO...I just don't think so. He was second to Brian Hartline in receptions and yardage, and only had one more TD than BH. Unless he makes a significant jump in receptions, yardage and TD's this upcoming season, I'd just as soon see us try and get rid of him somehow.

I should also say that I was not in favor of the signing when it happened. So, my judgement may be a little biased from that standpoint.

 

He's definitely not a #1 receiver, we still got a bunch of 2's and 3's on this team like Ireland said. We need to find a #1 eventually, if Evans drops he could be that guy.. If Ebron drops then we're fine with our 2's and 3's.. we would have a duo TE threat just like the Patriots used to have.

 

Rewatch? Lol. Judging by some of these posts I think some of us never watched in the first place.

 

A much more relevant question would be how many ways did Philbin use Wallace's skill set to generate offense?

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we threw deep to Wallace more than most teams threw deep to their deep threat.

 

Agreed. In Pittsburgh you saw him take drags and slants to the house, you saw a very good redzone player, a guy who was very good on screens. Our offense didn't put him in these positions enough.

 

If you are paying a WR $12MM/yr., you shouldn't have to alter the scheme to fit him. For that kind of compensation you should transcend scheme.

 

sorry, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

 

Made perfect sense to me. The guy is a receiver, at 12 million per year you should be getting the complete package type of receiver, one that can be a possession receiver, a red zone threat, a deep threat, a guy that is consistently moving the chains, run blocking, etc. He's not a quarterback where you have to change the whole system built around that player.

And by the way the guy isn't even a Top 15 receiver in this league. lol Let's not pretend he's some other world talent either that we have to run the offense through him..

 

His skill set is what it is, it wasn't going to change with a paycheck. He's a guy who gets deep and puts himself in position for quick sixes.

He has done that.

 

Was this any different than when he was with the Steelers? He isn't that type of receiver, and if the GM didn't do his research to realize that he is not Anquoin Bolden then point the finger there. It would be like you getting a bulldog and complaing it doesn't run like a greyhound.