Mike Wallace On The Trade Block!!!

I assume he was aware of the investigating of Desean, and would be laughed at if he suggested more negative press to this organization.

 

I hope we keep Wallace because we gave up on several wide receivers and we can not be a playoff team if we keep letting our best receivers go. and the same goes for tight ends and running backs as well .

we got rid of Sherman that was a huge in how bad our team became and firing Ireland was the best thing that has happened to us.

 

It would be more logical that the GM would try to accrue the players or kind of players the coach wanted or needed. Why would anyone logically think Ireland would try to undermine Philbin by not getting the players he needed?

 

Dumping Wallace is a risky proposition in my opinion. Sure the price tag is too much for what HE actually produced, but without him Clay likely wouldnt have had the great season he had. I also dont think Gibson would have gotten off to the good start he had prior to injury. Hell, Hartline caught more than one touchdown last year. Obviously there is some work to do, but lets see what he does with a better O Line, a RB that can block, another year with Tannehill, and Mike (handcuffs) Sherman gone. This is the big money year on his contract ($17 mil). Unless im mistaken, his cap number drops about $5 mil next year. Still a lot of $$$, but much easier to move if thats the direction they want to go.*

 

This entire thread should not even exist. There should be a forum rule that threads cannot be started based on nothing more than the lunatic babbling of Jason La Confora.

 

No I'm not. I think my stance on our local media is pretty well on the record.

The Philbin not wanting Cogs on the team anymore and wanting Martin replaced was broke in the Club sometime before the Tampa game. The local media didn't even bring it up until AFTER the season. This is why I accept that info as solid. Its the main reason I changed my tune on Ireland.

Now, if you want to discount that info wholesale, that's fine. However, if it is true (and there's reason to think its not) then you're simply wrong.

 

It would be more logical if we didn't already know that Ireland was disregarding Philbin's wishes by that point. You act as if this is baseless, when there's already examples of Ireland going against Philbin...so much so they weren't even on speaking terms.

 

I do understand Philbin wanted Cogs gone, than Martin. But at the same time, this isn't Madden. How many players did Philbin want gone, and they were gone? Vontae. Check. Clyde Gates. Check. Ocho. Check. Brandon Marshall. Check. Dansby?

Damn, we let some very good players go. But that's besides the point.

If Ireland got rid of everyone Philbin wanted gone there'd be nobody left to play the game. Dansby, Bush, etc etc. it goes on and on. It's May 2012. FA is well under way, draft is done. Cogs fondles a chick. Who do you get in May that replaces him? I think he had a good year too. Philbin was wrong. For 2012 at least

We know in 2013 he wanted Cogs gone, but how much noise did he make in May 2012? Did he pound the table? Or just sent an email? Do we know that?

Martin, again, is a 2nd rounder. You defended Philbin when I said he should bench Wallace for a series, but you said he's not Belichick he doesn't have the "clout" to bench a star free agent pickup. Well does he have the clout to force a trade or cut a 2nd rounder after one year? Remember, Ireland offered Jake Long a competitive contract to come back. Jake Long on the left and Martin on the right, maybe not as bad of a line. Yes he got injured in STL, but that doesn't mean he would have here. At the end of the year? Probably. They did draft Dallas Thomas as well. That all these moves didn't turn out doesn't mean Ireland should have listened to Philbin.

Philbin isn't tasked with building a roster. Ireland already sucked at building one, and then Philbin's demands sure didn't make it any easier.

 

All but one of those players you say Philbin wanted gone is pure speculation.

Its a weak argument. The only players we know he wanted gone are Ocho the first year and Cogs the second year. He didn't want martin gone he wanted a better option at LT.

You're basically arguing against a coach saying if the players he's given are good or not. Essentially, you're arguing againt the fact that Ireland should have paid attention to Philbin at all, so did Ireland listen to him or not?

 

All but one? Ocho. Brandon. Bush. Clyde. Vontae. Those are pretty solid, if not outright certain for a few of them. These were Irish's guys.

You can argue he was right about Martin/Cogs. Well do we make the playoffs with Brandon, Bush and Vontae on the team? Hmmm???

 

Fitting his real first name is Burnell, since he burned the hell out of DB's all year.

 

When did he start playing for the Eagles?

 

No, no they are not.

Indy contacted us about Vontae. Brandon we got rid of because we thought another scandal was about to hit. You have no idea if it was his idea to get rid of Clyde and Bush*. Pure speculation actually*.

(* Barring evidence I wasn't privy too before joining Club)

 

This happens a lot when sports moves happen. People start making fantasy Wikipedia pages.

 

Ireland traded for Brandon, and he didn't try to get rid of him before Philbin got there. He didn't trade him after his woman stabbed him. Indy contacted us about Vontae, AFTER Philbin spent a whole episode b***ing about him. Do you not remember Hard Knocks? Ireland wanted to keep Clyde while Philbin voiced his displeasure about him. Ireland was extolling his "speed." Bush was another guy Ireland traded for, and he did well for us. He was basically our only playmaker left, and we don't offer him a decent contract.

Who did we replace Brandon with, Legadu Nanee? What would make Ireland, a fan of Marshall in the first place, do such a thing? He kept Cogs after fondling a girl at a charity golf event, but he trades away a superstar WR he coveted in the first place? Who pushed him that way?

These are guys Ireland traded for or paid big money for. And they made plays, even if flawed. Brandon, our best WR. Bush, our best RB. You think Ireland trades them away or lets them go, just because? 1,200 yards catching and 1,000 yards rushing? Come on man.

 

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I think you have a vivid imagination.

 

Sometime before the Tampa game...as in right after the "scandal" broke. How convenient. That's the kind of back stabbing, *** covering move that people supposedly hated Ireland for.

I didn't see any leaks about how Philbin wanted Marshall, Vontae, Bush, Fasano, Long, Dansby, Burnett, etc gone, decisions which had a much bigger impact on the team than Martin or Cogs.

 

This whole thread is a figment of someone's imagination

 

Vivid is one word for it! LOL!

 

Indeed! I try to be level headed as a fan but if we get rid of Mike Wallace then I dunno wtf I would do. And it's not even about Wallace it's more about the never ending cycle of good players being sent away that's occurred over the past couple years.

 

Yes, very clever. Leak the info so its only put up in a special section of web site so all of 40 people with no influence can read it. Then wait a few months before leaking it to the local media. He's a mad genius that Philbin.

Ireland wasn't bad at spotting talent. He was however disinclined to find the talent that Philbin wanted. That was his downfall here, there's no need to fight that simple truth.

 

I have. There are certainly instances where he's made a variety of routes into big plays, but it's not something he's going to do often. A deep crossing route is a thing you can get Wallace to do, but it's not a thing that's going to proportionately increase his number of big plays. The Dolphins aren't really leaving routes out of their repertoire that Mike Wallace would suddenly blossom with.

 

Based on what I saw last year, Ireland is much better at finding talent than Philbin is at coaching it.

 

I know you think that....but that's not the discussion.

 

It is a part of the discussion in that we are talking about possibly trading Mike Wallace bc he doesn't fit Philbin's system.

 

They absolutely left a lot of routes on the table. Shallow cross, dig, post, post corner, deep comeback. A lot of that was due to lack of pass pro IMO but saying Wallace isn't capable of doing a lot more than he did last year is plain wrong.

 

Mike Wallace's catches were down 7% from his career average. He actually had a career high for catches, but was targeted another career high 142 times. Looking at the numbers, you basically have to feed him the ball and expect almost 42% of them on average to be misses.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/12601/mike-wallace


2009 - 39 catches on 72 targets for 756 yards. 6 TDs - Caught 54%
2010 - 60 catches on 100 targets for 1257 yards. 10 TDs - Caught 60%
2011 - 72 catches on 113 targets for 1193 yards. 8TDs - Caught 63%
2012 - 64 catches on 119 targets for 836 yards. 8 TDs - Caught 53%
2013 - 73 catches on 142 targets for 930 yards. 5 TDs - Caught 51%

Career avg catch % is 58%. He caught 51% last season.


If history repeats itself, this season he and Tannehill should have 8-10 TDs. If targeted as much, he should 80+ catches and 1200+ yards.

 

I'm very interested to see how Lazor uses Wallace.

 

Indeed. Wallace and Tannehill were only 9 or 10 catches off Wallace's catch average, which was basically down half a catch a game. I expect much more from both guys in Wallace's second season and with Lazor at OC.

 

Trading Wallace isn't practical from all aspects, financially, replacement with better talent, etc. al. Don't often agree with Omar, but this is waste of time discussion.

 

I would be all for trading Wallace. Unpopular opinion I know. I just saw a player who didn't give a damn last yr. And I can't support that.

 

Mike Wallace is not concerned about a CBS report that the Dolphins are continuing to try to trade him because his understanding is that it is not true. The Dolphins, privately, have vehemently denied the report, and Jason LaCanfora is the only reporter claiming Miami is shopping Wallace.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy​

 

Tannehill doing some work with the receivers and Wallace being M.I.A. bodes well for how much he cares, too.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...nizing-dolphins-canes-marlins-heat-notes.html

"Though Ryan Tannehill has been throwing to receivers for more than two weeks, Wallace has been out of town. Wallace told me previously that at some point this offseason, he and Tannehill need to work on their deep-ball chemistry."

 

....Wonder if the media is ''making" this story up as well.....