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Gibson on the bubble ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CrunchTime, Apr 9, 2014.

  1. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    Some of our members were surprised that we were considering signing Nate Burleson .After all the slot position seemed to be taken care of with Gibson and Mathews .Well maybe the reason was that we are considering releasing Gibson .His cap numbers go up this year and he may not have fully recovered from his injury .Ergo.We need a replacement.:yes:

    If not through free agency we may address the position through the draft .Which prospects are out there who you would like to draft ?
     
  2. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    We were even looking for slot Wrs last year, just after signing a healthy B.Gibson. It seems that Philbin wants a speedy gamechanger there, not a McDuffie.
     
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  3. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Odell beckham is a dark horse pick at 19 if certain other names are gone. Its a very good wr draft all around though.
     
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  4. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    That'd be a shame bc he played very well for us last year and you can never have enough solid WRs.

    Burleson would of been a joke of a replacement, imo.
     
  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I think Gibson is worth it personally. Sure the knee is a bit of a concern but not like Hartline isn't coming off a knee as well.
     
  6. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Must be a slow news day. I hate April.
     
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  7. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Gibson a lot like Luarent Robinson, and Denario Alexander is a very solid WR...when he is actually on the field.

    Anyone know what these 3 guys have in common?? I worry if that team drafts Sammy Watkins.
     
  8. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Brandin Cooks at 19 and I'm not looking back.
     
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  9. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    What a joke to even consider it. Wow. The guy played like an animal.
     
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  10. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wouldn't limit it to receivers, either. Could just as easily move to a more two-tight end based offense.
     
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  11. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Which animal, snail or turtle?

    I kid I kid.

    But nothing would surprise me with a new GM in town. They might want to go with a more explosive guy in the slot, or a bigger/taller guy. Who knows...
     
  12. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Definitely something to ponder. His cap hit isn't egregious, and despite excelling while healthy last year, this year's position class might have Hickey hearing the soft knock of opportunity.
     
  13. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I guess but I really enjoyed watching him play and thought/think he'll do well with us.
     
  14. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He and Tannehill had pretty good chemistry for being new teammates. A couple of his TD's were improvisations on a quarterback scramble. He had a knack for that for whatever unexplained reason. Awareness, I suppose.
     
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  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Hickey has no investment in Gibson returning to health, could be a case of football politics, why risk on Gibby coming back strong when you can have "your" guy in there making "you" look good.

    Personally thought he did fine, like Matthews, it also opens a move to acquire a Wr to return kicks and punts, in the draft or UDFA etc.

    Tho tbh, in the future, Db's will handle that role imo.
     
  16. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I am all for a more explosive WR coming in.

    Gibson is coming off a bad injury so of course his job is on the line. He had a really great start last year and if we were just going off that, he is a solid player; but he may not meet expectations and he will likely be limited in training with the offense in the off-season, which hurts the whole offense. And, adding another big-play WR to the mix is simply wanting to be the best. Nothing wrong with that.
     
  17. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Ummmm... why would we even be concerned with trying to save money against the cap? We currently have more cap space than we know what to do with?
     
  18. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Gibson was our most reliable WR before he was hurt. He was great at making first downs and was leading the team in TDs. I can't imagine that they would replace him if he's healthy.
     
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  19. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You can roll cap space over from year to year now, so salary cap inefficiencies this year are just as problematic as those in the future.
     
  20. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Gibson was the least of our problems. We have too many other areas to fix than worry about Gibson.
     
  21. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Because every bit of money saved against this year's salary cap is transferrable to future years when we are NOT scheduled to have "more cap space than we know what to do with".

    /1000th time
     
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  22. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I doubt the NFLPA realized the implications of the clause in the new CBA when they signed it. It definitely makes the FOs evaluate players who they might not of under the old use it or loose it mentality.
     
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  23. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's kind of a curious thing, I'm not sure what the effect overall is. I think it's quite possible there's been a net gain of cap space just on the basis of the unused cap not disappearing, it's possible that more guys are sticking because of that.
     
  24. nyfinzfan

    nyfinzfan Dolphins shall rise!

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    this!
     
  25. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Teams still have to spend a certain percentage of the cap over a certain number of years. So the money will eventually get spent on players, but if a team wants or needs to underspend in year one and two and then go huge in year three, the end result over time is the same.
     
  26. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    What do I win for being the 1,000th person to say it!

    Quick question on that note...

    I know (or thought) the players negotiated in the new CBA to put in a very high Salary Cap Floor... requiring teams to have to spend nearly all their cap space assuring a set amount of money is getting dispersed to the players.. How does that work in conjunction with the roll over? Is there a cap on what can be rolled over?
     
  27. jdang307

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    Am I the only one not really that enamored with Gibson? He played well and had some clutch catches, but he averaged 45 ypg the 7 full games he played. Tannehill alone improving will push Rishard past that.
     
  28. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I think this is a short and to-the-point capture of the salary floor issue.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/25/the-cba-in-a-nutshell/

    One thing they didn't bring up is that the salary floor is applicable to the groups of years rather than to each individual year.

    On individual team bases the salary floor is only 89% of the salary cap for 2013 to 2016, and then 89% for 2017 to 2020. So by the end of 2016, Miami must make sure that they've spent at least 89% of the salary caps of those seasons.

    However league-wide the floor is 95%. I'm not sure exactly how they reconcile the difference between the league floor and the team floors but I believe in order to get to that 95% the league could begin instituting cap penalties for the teams that didn't spend enough.

    Naturally there will be teams that spent above 95% of their salary cap during the years and the amount they spent over 95% will essentially bail out the teams that spent closer to 89%. But if there's still a shortfall after those are balanced against one another, I think there could be penalties levied on the teams that didn't spend 95%.

    I'm not sure how that would be distributed to the players though. Probably on a pro rata basis, based on how many games you were under contract in the NFL during the period.
     
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  29. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    To make it easier to think about...if Miami keeps rolling its cap space forward each year...by the end of 2016 that cap space had better be less than about $50 million or else they'll be in violation.

    I doubt they'll find themselves in violation.
     
  30. RickyBobby

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    Stupidest idea I've heard in a while. When is having too many wrs a bad thing?

    And pick one, do you want Wallace, Gibson, or hartline gone?
     
  31. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The cash savings for cutting Gibson would be $2.7 million.

    Cutting him is NOT something you'd do in April or May. Or even June or July. Cutting him is something you'd do in August after you've brought all your receivers to camp and they've gotten through preseason and you're just not that impressed with how a post-injury Brandon Gibson looks versus the guys you brought in.

    That's all I'll say on the merits of the idea.
     
  32. Jindred

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    I really don't get why the Phins would cut Gibson. Before he got injured last year I thought he was easily our best WR. Converted a ton of 3rd downs for us, as well as him and Tannehill seemed to have great connection. I would be very sad to see Gibson go, I don't see cutting him as gaining us anything..
     
  33. GMJohnson

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    Is is fair to say that many teams are more concerned with staying above the floor than staying under the cap? Because it certainly doesn't seem like they are saving $$$ with the intention of splurging later on. It seems like they are saving money for the sake of saving money.
     
  34. 77FinFan

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    If we are getting pre-injury Gibson I agree, but I don't know how long it takes to determine that and if he's not the same I don't know when he needs to be cut to save that money. He's getting a decent salary.
     
  35. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    ....as the #3 WR. he had only 30 receptions and still had 3 TDs and 19 1st dwns.

    Of his 30 receptions only 8 were not for a 1st or TD. he also had 3 20+ yrd receptions.

    Diminishing what he did makes no sense.
     
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  36. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    This coaching staff has not been kind to players who have injuries.
     
  37. RickyBobby

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    ???
     
  38. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    The Palm Beach Post considers Richard Matthews the favorite for the Dolphins' slot receiver job.

    Matthews took over as Miami's slot receiver in Week 9 last season, filling in for an injured Brandon Gibson. He appeared in all 16 games (five starts) and finished with 41 catches, 448 yards, and two touchdowns. Gibson is owed $3.7 million in 2014 and is in jeopardy of losing his roster spot coming off knee surgery. The Dolphins also signed Damien Williams, who should serve as the No. 4 receiver.
     
  39. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    That's fine if you don't like Gibson but he'll be in the mix for a roster spot.
    When he makes the team, insert him back into the slot.:up:
     
  40. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    Well since you put it that way... :hammer:


    ;)
     

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