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If we decide to go WR first, who do you want?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Alan112, May 3, 2014.

  1. Alan112

    Alan112 Member

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    Watkins and Evans are excluded cause I don't want to dream too hard lol..

    So between Lee, Cooks, Beckham Jr, who would you take?

    Just to add, even though it sounds intriguing I'm really not for taking WR first round. I think I'm inclined to even taking xavier sua filo over a WR Rebuilding our line is VERY important, this is a make or break year for Tanny and Philbin too. We need to get that running game going and of course, protect Tannehill. Our WR corps is good enough, think that going with a Davante Adams or Bruce Ellington in the 3rd is good enough.
     
  2. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Kelvin Benjamin, beast
     
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  3. Phinfanjt

    Phinfanjt New Member

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    Cooks. Wouldn't be upset with Lee or Beckham. Robinson, Latimore or Moncrief if we wait. Not interested in Benjamin
     
  4. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Trading up for Evans would be my preference
     
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  5. Alex13

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    cooks, beckham, lee....moncrief later on if its not 1st round
     
  6. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    Juan Huron not in it this year?
     
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  7. Stitches

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    Allen Robinson (I'm assuming Watkins and Evans are gone).
     
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  8. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    Trade up for Evans or Robinson
     
  9. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    If he drops into the teens, this.

    If he goes early (starting to see mocks of him going top 10 again), then I would say Lee. Could see some Keenan Allen in him from the view of a player valued high, then dropping in status during his draft year, but coming into the league and performing well.

    Would not necessarily oppose other WRs, I think it is an underrated need for us, and I tend to devalue interior first round linemen. Just feel we are better spending high resources elsewhere personally.
     
  10. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    Cooks.He has great hands, superb speed and most impressive of all is that he runs crisp routes which means the QB will always know where to find him.

    I know there are many who think that you dont spend a high draft pick on just a slot receiver but if you look at his stats as researched by one of our Club members who works for Rotoworld you will be surprise to find that he matches up favorably with those receivers who are considered deep receivers.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46136/349/out-of-the-box
    http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?81625-My-metrics-breakdowns-of-%28nearly%29-every-position

    My second choice would be Beckham.


    Having said that the recent history of Dolphin drafting would lead you to believe that they dont draft WR or TEs on the first day.Hopefully that pattern will change.
     
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  11. RoninFin4

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    1a) Cooks
    1b) Robinson
    2) Beckham
    3) Lee
     
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  12. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Did Evans play with Tannehill?
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    Lee.

    He could be our Randall Cobb
     
  14. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    1. Cooks
    2. Benjamin
    3. Latimer
    3a. Moncrief
     
  15. Claymore95

    Claymore95 Working on it... Club Member

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    Cooks, then Beckham. Not interested in Benjamin.
     
  16. Limbo

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    Donte Moncrief. Tough call though. Lots of good guys in the 2nd tier.
     
  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I forgot him. He'd be my 3a name for sure. The most underrated of the top 10 WRs IMO.
     
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  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I am just gonna pray to good ol' Lady Luck that the Jets don't take him. I want to see him do well even if not for us, UNLESS he goes elsewhere in the AFCE.
     
  19. ToddPhin

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    1. Beckham
    2. Cooks
    3. Latimer

    ...although Latimer's size, something we're lacking, could push him to 2.
    Between Beckham & Cooks, I feel more comfortable with Beckham's larger size and outstanding hands even though I'd prefer Cooks' slightly better playmaking ability.
     
  20. Sumlit

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    Brandin Cooks is that Randall Cobb clone this offense desperately needs. Dude is so effing quick and slippery, and has plenty of toughness and competitive edge. He's going to be a dynamo in the NFL.

    Odell Backham Jr. is a very close second for me.
     
  21. Canad-phin

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    Give me Lee all day. I don't care how fast people think the other guys are. Lee had 2 years of amazing production and then fell on bad coaching, bad QB play, and injuries. I do not understand the love for Beckham, he has had average production for three years. Sure he runs fast but that hasn't equated to good numbers on a powerhouse team. Cooks had a fantastic year but again is that because of the wide open Offense Oregon St plays? Lee put up amazing numbers in a prostyle offense. Guy is super smooth, watch his highlight reel and he plays faster than 4.52. Always running away from people or behind them. I'd take him over everyone in this draft but Watkins. That includes Evans.
     
  22. Stitches

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    If Lee had 2 years of amazing production, then Beckham has had to have at least one year of amazing production.

    Lee's 2nd best year:
    73 rec for 1143 yds, 11 TDs. 15.7 yds/rec & 6.6 rec/TD.

    Beckham's best:
    59 for for 1152 yds, 8 TDs. 19.5 yds/rec & 7.4 rec/TD.

    Also in regards to TDs though, prior to this past season, LSU was much more likely to run for TDs than USC ever was (and that's reflected in Lee's TD numbers this year vs the past). Whereas LSU had 34+ rushing TDs this season, Beckham managed 8 rec TDs this year, while Lee only put up 4 (on 57 catches) while USC rushed for ~29 TDs.

    Barkley was a much better college QB than Mettenburger has ever been. The QB situation for LSU in 2012 was not good, in fact I'd argue it was worse than USC's situation in 2013 (which you attribute Lee's shortcomings this year partly due to QB play).
     
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  23. 77FinFan

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    Beckham had a higher drop rate than Cooks. Not much, just saying.
     
  24. 13Machine8385

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    1) Cooks
    2) Beckham
    3) Robinson
    4) Matthews
    5) Lee
    6) Benjamin

    Any of these 6 wearing our uniform next year would bring me great joy. There are more decent WR available after but I'd really like to get 1 of these 6.
     
  25. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, he was redshirted the year they were there together.
     
  26. ToddPhin

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    you're looking at it in a vacuum and without proper context.

    71% of Cooks' receptions were less than 10 yards. Meanwhile 62% of Beckham's were beyond 10 yards, so Cooks better post a lower drop rate by the mere nature of where the passes were caught. To break it down further, 51% of Cooks' receptions were on throws of 5 yards and less compared to Beckham's 19%.

    Therefore, I'd say Beckham's 6.45% drop rate based on where he caught the ball is actually more impressive than Cooks' 4.69%.

    Beckham is the best bad-ball catcher this draft along with Sammy Watkins. That's a need when you have a QB who has struggled with accuracy beyond 12 yards. Beckham has alligator arms and 10 inch mitts, and he takes FULL advantage of every millimeter of that length by snatching throws away from his body as if he had the catch radius of a 6'3 guy. It's a special ability that comes with major NFL application.
     
  27. Canad-phin

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    My piont is I don't like guys with only one year of production. Cooks is the same with one great year. Lee on the other hand was impactful player in each year. Last year Lee wasn't as good but look at his last game of the year when he was healthy again. He had a great game. This kid has been a stud every step of the way. It's not that I dislike the other two I just don't think they are as good. Beckham's best games were against really bad teams as well. Just don't love the guy. If he's the pick I'll get it but I think Lee is going to be a true difference maker at the next level.
     
  28. 13Machine8385

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    We probably can't go wrong with any of those 3 guys. All 3 fit a style of player that we are lacking. Lee lost some ground in the grading process with his less than stellar season after appearing to be so dominant the previous season. His 40 time was a bit of a shock also. Most thought he would run a 4.3 and he wasn't close to it.
     
  29. phinswolverinesrockets

    phinswolverinesrockets If he dies, he dies

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    If it's not Sammy Watkins, there isn't another receiver worth a 1st round pick, imo. Jordan Matthews is rated as a 2nd-3rd round pick. He's the only other WR I would be happy about drafting in the top 3 rounds. Get me an o-lineman in the 1st round and Jordan Matthews in the 2nd or 3rd and I would be ecstatic. He's a big, fast playmaking cousin of Jerry Rice who has set career receiving records in the SEC. Enough said.
     
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  30. 13Machine8385

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    I don't agree about the OL but I absolutely agree about Matthews. Great second round value and would fit our roster and locker room perfectly.

    In my mocks I keep selecting Cooks and Matthews first 2 rounds.
     
  31. Stitches

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    So Lee only has one great year?

    Lee's best two seasons combined:
    191 rec, 2864 yds, 25 TDs.

    Cooks' best two seasons combined:
    194 rec, 2881 yds, 21 TDs.


    I don't have any problem with Lee really, nor is there any problem with you talking him up, but you're not holding him to the same standards that you are to other players apparently when Lee's the only one to have multiple good years or be bogged down by bad QB play.
     
  32. jw3102

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    I believe OL, LB's, and the secondary are much bigger needs for this team than the WR position. So I really don't see the Dolphins selecting another WR until the 6th or 7th round, if they pick one at all. I have no idea which WR will still be available that late in the draft who can come in and earn a spot on this roster. Probably no one.
     
  33. Stitches

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    Jeremy Gallon.
     
  34. finfansince72

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    I'd wait for the 3rd and take Ellington, he's going to be better than a lot of guys taken in front of him. If he had played on a different team he'd be a higher pick. Great hands, good return guy, a stellar 2 sport athlete, elite speed, he's a stud. Good character guy too.
     
  35. 77FinFan

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    All true, but it works out to about the same number of balls that each caught beyond 11 yards. A few more for Cooks, but negligible. Cooks had over twice as many receptions and even having a huge number of receptions his drop rate was lower than typical for a college WR. Impressive.

    Just read Cooks was a team captain as well. I like him.
     
  36. Canad-phin

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    No no your trying to manipulate the data now. Cooks had 17tds last year, don't try to out that in an average to make it look the same. He had 5 tds the year before Lee had 14 and 11tds. That is two great years. Cooks had one fantastic year. I won't be upset if we grab Cooks, I really won't. I just like Lee more. 29 tds in 3 years is awesome and Cooks 24 tds is awesome. Not sure why I'm arguing. The one I don't want is Beckham.hahaha. Cooks or Lee at 19 to me is a steal.
     
  37. 77FinFan

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    Went back and was looking at combine info on NFL.com. Guy writes that Cook's "Lacks elite, blazing speed to run by NFL corners and safeties." If 4.33 doesn't cut it, what kind of numbers do you have to put up? What a bunch of putz's.
     
  38. ToddPhin

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    I'm quite fond of Cooks as well and will be ecstatic if we draft him. He's on the verge of being my 1b to Beckham's 1a.
     
  39. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Mark it down- Kevin Norwood will end up having a more productive NFL career than Allen Robinson, Donte Moncrief, and Martavis Bryant.
     
  40. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    How about Kevin Norwood? Will he do so as well? :)
     
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