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If we decide to go WR first, who do you want?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Alan112, May 3, 2014.

  1. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If the Dolphins go WR at 19 my top choice would be Lee. The more I think about it, the more I think he's really being overlooked. This was a guy who was the best WR in the country two years ago. Last year his play dropped off a little bit, but a lot of that has to do with circumstance. His injury, his QB, and the coaching circumstance there all played a factor. Plain and simple though, this guy is a playmaker.

    On top of all that, I don't know if anyone has watched Draft Academy on ESPN, but he is the type of guy you root for. He's come from a rough childhood, and seems like he has turned into a pretty good kid. He has a big personality, but he's not a diva either. He's the type of guy you want in your locker room.

    I like Cooks and Beckham too though. I'd be happy with any of the 3 at 19.
     
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  2. GMJohnson

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    There are going to be some sad faces when we go OL next week.
     
  3. Disgustipate

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    It's quite possible they won't, but I'm not sure what exactly you're basing this on? Some internal satisfaction about Mike Wallace? 'cause they've sure as hell been looking.
     
  4. 13Machine8385

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    Maybe. Depends on how the draft plays out. If we take OL in first and Jordan Matthews in round 2, I won't feel too terribly bad.

    The real sad part would be if the draft is over, and we realize that our team does not stack up against what many other teams did to make their teams better. Especially within our own division. If we don't add some playmakers, we are in trouble. All of this WR depth in the draft is going somewhere, and some of it will be in our division.

    Improving the OL is not enough. I can't stress enough how crappy the Dolphins offense has been the past 10+ years. Offensive line play is more a sum of the parts. The guys we have right now are already a huge upgrade to last year. Improving our line will keep us mediocre as usual and we will all be posting next year what we hope to draft with pick in the mid to high teens again.

    We need playmakers now.
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    There are going to be some sad faces no matter who Miami drafts next week.
     
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  6. Fin-Omenal

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    Ofcourse they are, they have 3 WRs coming off serious injuries. But hey, ASSume away.
     
  7. Disgustipate

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    The players who are injured will almost certainly be back to form before any drafted player has the ability to seriously contribute. That doesn't make any sense.
     
  8. Fin-Omenal

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    Knee injuries on unproven players won't make you feel very comfortable at the position.
     
  9. Fin-Omenal

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    This is exactly how I feel, I prefer Lee because as you said he was a top 10 pick and the Billetnekof winner for a reason in 2012. But if we end up with either of the other 2, the upside is so high it will be hard not to be excited.
     
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  10. GMJohnson

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    Duh. They're looking at EVERY position.

    My expectations are based on watching the team play last year, Ross' public comments, Joe Philbin's desire to not get fired, and WR being very much a non premium position.

    I can understand fans getting excited by some WRs YouTube highlights or college stats though, but the vast majority of them will never come close to doing what they did in college once they get to the pros.
     
  11. Disgustipate

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    I'm not sure who of Gibson or Hartline are unproven players at this point.
     
  12. Disgustipate

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    There's no position in the draft they've expended as many of their limited interviews with in the higher rounds than wide receiver.

    Not Right Tackle, not Guard, not Linebacker. Maybe not even together.
     
  13. Fin-Omenal

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    Gibson is hardly proven, he showed flashes. I love him and Binns, but they are not guys who would prevent Miami from taking a WR at 19.
     
  14. GMJohnson

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    If we take a WR in the 1st and it's not Watkins I will definitely have a sad face.
     
  15. Disgustipate

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    He's a 6-year veteran who has been at least the 3rd wide receiver on the field for a big portion of that career.
     
  16. Fin-Omenal

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    And that will prevent Miami from drafting a WR at 19?
     
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  17. 13Machine8385

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    You could say that about any position.
     
  18. Disgustipate

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    No?

    That's not even close to the conversation we're having, though. You said their interest in drafting a player high probably stems from what are essentially short-term injury concerns, rather than the obvious issues with Wallace and his contract.
     
  19. GMJohnson

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    Taking a WR #1 is not only a huge slap in the face to the guys we just signed, you're also gonna face a situation where our vets are hostile to the development of their new teammate bc his success means they're likely to be demoted or fired. Even if the new guy is successful it will come at the expense of a guy who's already a solid contributor. Who's it gonna be, Gibson who emerged as a reliable target and best red zone guy in a short time, Hartline our QBs most trusted target, Matthews a promising young prospect we've groomed for two years, Wallace our premier deep threat?

    How much of an improvement can we realistically expect over those guys, from a rookie?
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    If we draft a 2nd rate tackle in the first, I am going to be sad. I.E. that is not Mathews, Lewan or Robinson.

    I would rather get Xavier Su'a-Filo or a first rate guard.
     
  21. TooGoodForDez

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    If Phins don't draft Benjamin I will be sad
     
  22. GMJohnson

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    You're right.

    But I think that WR is, outside of QB, the hardest position to transition from college to pro in.
     
  23. GMJohnson

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    Benjamin is the only guy I'd be somewhat OK with at WR. He would add a ton of new wrinkles to the offense, red zone efficiency and blocking especially.
     
  24. Alex44

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    Personally I don't like Benjamin. I basically see him being a horrible bust at this level. What he does isn't good enough to have any consistent success at the NFL level. IMO
     
  25. GMJohnson

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    Hey anyone who can block will make me :)
     
  26. Alex44

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    Did Matt Moore try and hinder Tannehill? Did Wake slap Dion Jordan in the face and tell him to go home?

    Also not trying to improve over Hartline is a slap in the face to our fans. Im not saying we SHOULD draft a WR round one, but I dont agree with your reasons not to.
     
  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Fox can block. Why draft a guy who is probably not going to be as good as him?
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    How is taking a WR a huge slap in the face?
     
  29. Disgustipate

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    You're so close to realizing that it's about Wallace.

    Wallace is here through 2014 pretty much regardless, but what does a slap in the face matter? His work ethic isn't likely to get any worse than it is without badly damaging his prospects for a financially advantageous future.

    As for the other guys, the timing is pretty much perfect. You don't depend on the rookie immediately because you're not getting rid of anyone immediately. Getting 5 guys meaningful snap counts isn't that daunting when you've got a situation with guys ascending and descending, Philbin managed it with Green Bay. You can work another player into the margins pretty comfortably if you're running predominantly an 11-package offense, like is probable.
     
  30. 13Machine8385

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    It's long been said that WRs usually do not start to really produce until their 3rd season. Even though history has mostly proven this to be correct, if you look deeper you would find that the reason for that was mostly due to a lack of opportunity.

    There have been a number of 1st and 2nd year WR recently that have made an impact on their teams. There will be more this season. You don't have to have 80 catches for 1,100 yds to have an impact on the team. Sometimes it's one play that changes a game or maybe the presence of a player on the field opens things up for other players.
     
  31. 77FinFan

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    I like that Beckham has more return experience. I would really like to be done w/ Thiggy.
     
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  32. sports24/7

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    Honestly, if they land one of the top 10-15 WRs in this class it would be reason to be excited IMO. This WR class is loaded and if the Dolphins really do plan to go BPA there is no way you can convince me that a WR will not be sitting at the top of their board at some point in the top 3 rounds.
     
  33. GMJohnson

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    Youre basically telling the guys you just signed last season theyre not good enough and that one of your top priorities is to get rid of them. The same as if we took a CB in the first after signing Grimes and Finnegan, or a MLB after signing Ellerbe.

    Meanwhile the flaming pile of dung we have on the right side of the line goes unaddressed. I'm guessing RT wouldn't like that either, seeing as how he's the one who ultimately pays the price for bad line play.
     
  34. 13Machine8385

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    Another thing about WRs. Good teams draft their future #1 while their current #1 is still in there prime. Not only does this increase the amount of weapons on the offense but it keeps the franchise strong at that position.

    - Green Bay has done is over the past 20 years with Sharp...Brooks...Freeman...Driver...Jennings.....Nelson.....Cobb
    - Indy did it with Harrison and Wayne in their best years
    - Arizona with Boldin and Fitz = best years
    - Rams with Bruce and Holt = best years
    - Patriots with Moss and Welker = Best scoring offense in history at that time (#2 now)
    - Vikings offense with Carter and Moss = best scoring offense in history at that time (#4 now)
    - Denver with Thomas/Decker/Welker = Best scoring offense in history

    Good WRs = points. Good QB is important too, but most of us feel that we already have a good QB.

    We currently do not score a lot of points, nor have we for a very very long time.
     
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  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The player knows he has to be good enough. That is just the way it is in the NFL.
     
  36. GMJohnson

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    I can see why you'd feel that way. But I think his blocking and red zone capabilities will translate to the league just fine. The question is will he put in the work? Not sure about that one.
     
  37. GMJohnson

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    Did you really just say we need a deep threat? Lol.

    See, that's how bad our OL was last year...
     
  38. GMJohnson

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    I normally agree w your posts but that was waAaay out in left field. WADR it sounds like you have some personal bias against Mike Wallace, because of his contract? I dunno.

    But to attack a guys character when you've never even spoken to him or to suggest that a random rookie could do what he does on an NFL playing field, it's beyond ridiculous, IMO.
     
  39. Alex44

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    Id love that draft but Im unsure Niklas lasts that long.
     
  40. GMJohnson

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    For every 50/50 ball Wallace didn't catch there are 4-5 balls never throw bc the QB didn't have time, and several more that weren't thrown bc we had no run game to force the defense out of their stop Wallace coverage schemes. Now, which problem do you want to fix?
     

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