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Rotoworld ranks the NFL's best owners; Ross 29th

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, May 4, 2014.

  1. LBsFinest

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    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47071?pg=1

    29. Stephen Ross, Dolphins

    Ross means well, he really does. But meaning well doesn’t get you very far in a pool with 31 other sharks. Having struck out on every coach he actually wanted, Ross has decided to remain blindly loyal to his consolation prize, Joe Philbin. It’s a strategy that netted him two years of Mike Sherman calling plays, and the most embarrassing locker-room scandal in recent memory. Three steps slow on every move he makes, Ross will undoubtedly prove three years too slow on firing Philbin. It’s why he couldn’t give his general manager job away last winter, and why the Dolphins haven’t made up any ground on the Patriots in Ross’ six years at the helm. Ross is a nice guy, but as William Ford showed you, they usually finish last in the cutthroat business of NFL football.
     
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  2. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Wait, wasn't Philbin Ross's guy while Ireland wanted McCoy? He may not have been Jim Harbaugh but Philbin (unfortunately) was his top choice.
     
  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That was the rumor that circulated for a while about the time he was hired, but I don't know that it was ever confirmed.
     
  4. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That guy ain't no fan of Philbin
     
  5. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Jones and Irsay are WAY too high by the way.
     
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  6. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Rotoworld seems to really hate us for whatever reason.
     
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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's got open pockets..

    He doesn't interfere

    And he's giving us 400 mil, after he got rejected by his own, to refurbish the worst venue in sports..

    My kinda friggin owner..
     
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  8. RickyBobby

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    Who gives a **** what they say.

    Martin was reason for scandal. And nobody has caught ground on the patriots in the last 6 years.

    He pays and he's loyal, and he's fired Ireland.
     
  9. LBsFinest

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    No, he settled for Philbin after striking out with Cowher, Gruden, and Fisher.
     
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  10. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Not surprised. He and Huizenga opened the pockets...but you have to find a GM and coaches who can build a well drafted team and make the playoffs. Miami hasn't sniffed the playoffs in 10 years other than 2008. 2013 doesn't even count, losing the final 2 sunk them into 3rd place and 10th in the conference, only finishing above 8th once (2008) in 10 years. Ross hasn't been able to find the recipe for success in the front office, and neither could Huizenga after Jimmy Johnson who really didn't do much either, but compared to now he was a dream.
     
  11. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Very well said by Rotoworld, and it's the same criticisms many of have been saying for awhile now. He means well, but he's just way out of his element as an NFL owner. And 3 steps late with every move is so true. He had no plan on what to do with Jeff Ireland. And this year if Philbin fails to improve this team, then what? Does he clean house? Or does he fire Philbin and force the new coach to work with Hickey? Thus continuing his horrifying streak pairing new hires with lame duck counterparts.

    We can only hope Ross improves or sells the team.
     
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  13. Fin D

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    - We turned down Fisher, not the other way around.
    - Cowher & Gruden turned down everyone else looking for a coach, I hope they count as rejections against those teams too.
    - There is no evidence at all that Ross "didn't have a plan" for Ireland.
    - We offered the GM position to only 2 people, Caserio who turned us down, and Hickey. Licht turned down a second interview for an actual job offer. Farmer was not offered the job (and surprise, surprise was given the gig where he was like a week later). Ross, McGoughlan, Decosta & Gamble turned down interviews with everyone, I hope they count as rejections against those teams too.
     
  14. VManis

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    I don't see how he struck out with Cowher or Gruden. Both of those guys are retired and said they did not want to return to coaching. If they turned around and took another coaching job, then sure it would look bad on Ross but its three years later and they remain retired.
     
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  15. 77FinFan

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    Flat out used us, which is fine. You do what you gotta' do.
     
  16. PhinishLine

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    How do you rank an owner? Do you rank an owner based on football performance, revenue generated, or profit generated or likeability?
     
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  17. Stringer Bell

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    All the owners are pretty much making the same amount of revenue. They're playing a game they've colluded to rig. Ranking them seems pretty silly.
     
  18. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Ranking them based on how effectively they lead the organizations they own and hire football people to do football jobs seems pretty quantifiable to me. Obviously a lot of subjective measurements to it, but I think it's pretty clear in any professional sport that some owners are much better than others.
     
  19. MonstBlitz

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    As fans, we base them on football performance.
     
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  20. PhinishLine

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    Quantifiable...

    Subjective measurements....

    Pretty Clear....

    *bluescreens*

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  21. Stringer Bell

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    To be honest I'm not sure how anyone can determine how effectively an owner hires football people. In practice, there are plenty of instances where owners hire people that are perceived to be bad, but turn out successful, or people that are perceived to be good hires, and turn out to be failures. Does hiring Pete Carroll in 1997 count as a positive or a negative, for example? It seems to me that this list is based mostly off on-field success, when the evidence suggests that on-field success is largely based upon luck.
     
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  22. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Ok, the buck stops there with Ross, but really, he instigated, ignored or even propagated the locker room problems ?? He's responsible for that ?? There are lots of things to blame him for, but that certainly isn't one of them. I'm not even sure that you can lay the blame on Philbin for that one...
     
  23. Rocky Raccoon

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    I don't understand that argument. Isn't it pretty common to have a GM in place without a head coach? If Philbin fails and is fired not sure why you need to fire the GM too. It happens quite a bit.
     
  24. LBsFinest

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    Had we hired Caserio or another legitimate GM candidate then you'd have a point, but Hickey was damn near a last resort option, right there with Gaine...Philbin is the reason Hickey even got the job in the first place.

    let their fates be tied together, there's a good chance this is Philbin's last year, another half measure where Hickey's leading the search for a head coach....that's a nightmare scenario
     
  25. PhinishLine

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    What makes a GM legitimate? And what makes Hickey any less legitimate than them?
     
  26. texanphinatic

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    Eh that is way to low of a rank for an owner willing to spend freely and not play GM. For instance, Jerry Jones - Cowboys fans would take pretty much anyone else but him at this point. Willing to spend, but his insistence on being the GM and making all the calls has decimated that team. How the hell is a fraudster like Wilf not down at the bottom with scum like Haslem? And Mike Brown and the Bidwells - notoriously cheap overall owners, would you really rather have them?

    Ross isn't a world beater, but this list is silly.
     
  27. slickj101

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    :yawn:
     
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  28. PhinishLine

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    The list doesn't appear to be based on anything in particular and for a number of reasons, some of which are fabrications of the imagination. They basically blame Snyder that the team is called, "Redskins."
     
  29. jdang307

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    Oh I don't know. Wins and losses, playoff appearances and wins, Super Bowl appearances and wins. Stuff like that.
     
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  30. Stringer Bell

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    And what evidence is there that suggests an owner has impact on these things? Does Jim Irsay deserve credit for his SB, or did he just get lucky with the #1 pick the year Manning came out?

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  31. jdang307

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    The buck stops somewhere.
     
  32. Stringer Bell

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    Why? There is strong evidence that supports success in the NFL is largely based upon luck, rather than any type of inherent skill. The owners themselves have created a system that negates a lot of the perceived skill.

    It is extremely naive to look at the owners as competitors against one another. They're all partners.
     
  33. jw3102

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    I find it unbelievable that you think wins and losses are merely the luck of the draw. You seem to discount the better GM's who actually know how to build a team and coaches who know how to get the best out of their players on a week to week basis.

    Perhaps if you remember, the Colts had to make a big decision the year Manning was in the draft. There were many people who thought Ryan Leaf was the better pick going into the draft. The staff of the Colts at the time decided to go with Manning instead of Leaf and the rest is history. Personally I don't think there was any luck in the selection of Manning. The people running the Colts at the time looked at each player and decided Manning was the better pick.

    There is a reason that teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Packers, and several of the other teams in the NFL have been fairly consistent playoff teams for the past several years. They all have solid ownership, with strong personnel departments and outstanding head coaches and coaching staffs. That is not luck. That is preparation and knowing how to hire the best personnel to build a consistent winner.

    Ross has not shown during his five years as majority owner of the Dolphins that he has any clue how to hire the right personnel to turn this team into a winner. I guess you just consider this a case of bad luck. I consider it an example of a very rich individual who happens to not be suited to be the owner of an NFL franchise.

    Ross may be a nice guy who wants to be a success as an NFL owner. I don't doubt that. I just don't think he really has a clue as an NFL owner and the sooner he sells the team, the better it will be for all Dolphin fans.
     
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  34. jdang307

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    So the Steelers are lucky? Personnel has changed, front office has changed, coaches have changed, yet they're always in the discussion.

    The Browns? Just unlucky? Lions? There is no bad luck in keeping Matt Millen for that long. That's just bad management. Period.

    There are clear haves, and have nots. That isn't luck. Nobody is going to have a 1.000 batting average, but there are teams that correct mistakes, and there are teams that keep making them.
     
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  35. Stringer Bell

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    I don't think that. There is plenty of empirical evidence that suggest it to be so.

    The fact that they had the #1 overall pick during that one particular year was a very fortunate thing to happen to them. Saying that they picked Manning over Leaf doesn't not inherently mean it was based on skill rather than luck. They very well could have just got lucky.
     
  36. jdang307

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    Because Wayne, Harrison, Falk, Edge, just doesn't matter much. Or Bob Sanders who was probably more responsible for their lone SB win than even Manning in those playoffs ;)
     
  37. phinswolverinesrockets

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    Just saw their rankings. The Rooney family not being #1 is a complete joke for many reasons on and off the field; ranking 4th is an insult. Dan Snyder being ranked last??? He has one of the most profitable franchises in the league. Ross is ranked behind a team that doesn't even have an owner (Bills), a coke head (Jim Irsay), and a scam artist (Zygi Wilf). They list Ross so low because of Mike Sherman and a locker room scandal....lol. Well, both of those falls on the head coach. Other than Jerry Jones, I don't know of an owner ever picking an offensive coordinator and hanging in the locker room. I agree he should have fired Philbin because of his stupidity. Ross should have just thrown $8-9 million at Gus Malzahn and called it a day.

    I am not the biggest fan of Ross, but come on....rotoworld has lost a little respect from me on this one. Ross hired a stupid coach...what owner hasn't?
     
  38. MonstBlitz

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    You're not suggesting the outcome of the games themselves are based mostly on luck, are you?
     
  39. jdang307

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    Since their 70's super bowl run, the Steelers:

    82-84, 89, 92-97, 01-02, 04-05, 07-08, 10-11.

    Longest streak without playoffs is 5 years. 4 super bowls, 2 wins.

    This is after their 4 super bowl run. Is there an element of luck involved? Everything in life has an element of luck. The Packers are LUCKY everyone passed on Rodgers. Is their drafting of him luck?
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    Dick LeBeau has not changed. I would be skeptical of how successful they could be without him.

    The Browns, really? They're current version has been in existence for how long? Maybe the Ravens you're referring to?

    Either way, there is usually one or two catalysts that lead to success. LeBeau and Roethlisberger for the Steelers. Ray Lewis for the Ravens. Tom Brady for the Patriots. Manning for the Colts.
     

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