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Umm is there actually a chance Justin Gilbert could fall to 19?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, May 6, 2014.

  1. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    If he does we'll see if Hickey stays true to his BPA philosophy and takes him...if by some miracle he's there passing on him would just be stupid. If he's there at 17 I already start writing his name on the card just in case.
     
  2. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    be surprised if he fell to 19. I could see someone jumping ahead of us to get him if they think we might select him.
    I'd be fine with a CB at 19 if he's really that good.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do you have Gilbert over Fuller?
     
  4. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    I do...I'm not some super scout like CK tho. Gilbert could also help us on kick returns as well
     
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  5. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes. And Jason Verrett too. I would be terribly upset with Fuller but hes not my first choice.
     
  6. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I'd be fine with a CB, slight preference for Dennard though.
     
  7. Limbo

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    I like Fuller for lots of reasons, including the fact that he looks like he could be a hell of a free safety. Been reading that idea more and more as the draft gets closer. FS might be his best position, some people think. Doubt he makes it to 19.
     
  8. LBsFinest

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    I wouldn't be happy with Dennard in the 1st at all.
     
  9. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    He's a fringe 1st rounder. Could be wrong, but I don't think he got invited to the draft. Though I will add that people are pretty fixated on him going to the Steelers at 15.
     
  10. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I like Justin Gilbert the best (out of the cornerbacks) in this draft. Ball skills too good to pass up.
     
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I prefer Fullers game.
     
  12. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I really don't feel that CB is nearly the need for the Dolphins that the OL or LB positions are. So I hope Hickey is able to find a player at a position of need when the Dolphins turn to draft comes up in the first round.

    If the Dolphins can upgrade the OL and the LB positions in the first two rounds, I would have no problem with them drafting CB, Lamarcus Joyner in the third round, if he is still on the board. I think he would be an excellent addition to the secondary and would be an upgrade over the CB's drafted in 2013. Of course I think the chances of Joyner still being on the board when the Dolphins select in round three is probably about zero percent.

    I think in next years draft, the Dolphins may have to select a CB or safety in the first round, but right now upgrading the OL and the LB corp has to be their priority concern.
     
  13. LBsFinest

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    Idk, Gilbert is probably the most physically gifted corner in the class...he's bigger, faster, & stronger than Fuller with better ball skills...
     
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  14. Fin-Omenal

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    Verrett, is a physical CB who can flat out play.

    Miami seems to prefer feisty physical DB's.
     
  15. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Me too. I'd rather have Dennard or Fuller if we took a corner early. I don't consider Gilbert the definite best.
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    For just purely physical gifts, the best one is Roby.
     
  17. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    I don't see how receiver is a bigger need than CB, outside of Grimes every corner on the team is a complete question mark. We lost the 2nd and 3rd best corners on the team in the offseason. You assume Taylor and Davis will step up, that's fine, you probably thought Jon Martin would step up in his 2nd year.

    linebacker you have a point, I actually don't think Mosley will be there at 19, Shazier over Gilbert I guess I'd be okay with. As for OT, I think the 4 best tackles will be gone, any other tackle at the spot is a reach.
     
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  18. LBsFinest

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    I don't think so, he's not as long, they're both fast, I think Gilbert's a bit stronger, the ball skills can't be understated either.

    I'm pretty worried about the secondary right now, the unit is looking at taking a huge step back this season if we don't acquire some more help.
     
  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Speed forward combined with speed in reverse, as in backpedal, turn and run, Roby is the best of this class.
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    So since Martin didn't step up in year 2, what the hell does that have to do with Taylor and whether he will or won't?
     
  21. LBsFinest

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    I'm not BANKING on any unproven Ireland draft pick stepping up to the plate. Gilbert is better than Taylor and Davis combined. Grimes is aging, Finnegan isn't even good anymore, he'll be cut in a year whether Hickey is still here or not.

    I didn't say we have to go corner in the 1st, just that if Gilbert is there we should take him.
     
  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Please, enough with the unproven bold declarations. He may be. He may not be. Right now, as for being an NFL corner, that hasn't been proven. Just because Ireland drafted them is no reason to automatically conclude said player will stink.
     
  23. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Regardless of what we take, we need playmakers. If that happens to be a CB, S, TE, OL or ILB, I don't care as long as they make plays that help us win football games. If we can find another lockdown CB, that opens up a whole world of opportunties. We already have some great play makers on defense that can get to the QB, another good CB would give those guys more time to get to the QB.
     
  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think the class at the top is pretty damn close..I like Fullers aggressive nature in the run and tackling fundamentals, and I like his instincts better..
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think your giving up on our young corners way to fast.. I think your gonna be pleasantly suprised with Jamar Taylor.
     
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  26. LBsFinest

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    giving up on them would be advocating to cut or trade them...all I'm saying is I'm not expecting either of them to step up enough to fill a starting role, just like I didn't have those expectations for Jon Martin when virtually everyone else here did, didn't believe in Daniel Thomas, or Ed Gates, or Egnew...I'm certainly not penciling in Dallas Thomas for a starting role, or Jelani Jenkins for that matter.

    the young guys we draft that I feel good about usually pan out, for instance I liked OV cuz I saw he had the raw talent, plus guys from the U always work hard, same with Lamar Miller. Vernon completely transformed his body, you see how big he was at the combine? I liked Rishard Matthews over BJ Cunningham even tho BJ got drafted earlier.

    really the only development I didn't foresee was Clay's.
     
  27. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

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    You cannot be serious right now. What you feel is very literally the most insignificant aspect in regards to the development of Taylor and Davis. Your opinion on them means nothing, along with the evidence you used to support your statement.

    What Aqua4Ever04 said was correct. Using a first on a corner back would be a waste of resources. Now, if all the first round worthy tackles are gone, all the first round eligible receivers are gone, along with Shazier and Ebron then you can probably take the best available player which would probably be a corner. But that is very unlikely to happen. Best option would be to leave corner for another round because it is the last of this teams concerns. Brent Grimes is a very good corner. Jimmy Wilson played well in the slot last season. Finnegan is a bad corner and downgrade from Carrol but you can recover as a defense from one bad corner. There is also the possibility he rebounds or Taylor/Davis step up. I don't see the need at all for a corner.
     
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  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    virtually everyone, I was not one of those, also didn't see clays uprising, I think Dallas Thomas will make the team and compete.

    And I really like Jamar, he's a very tough kid, very physical once he gains his confidence at this level.
     
  29. JamesBW43

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    I wouldn't want Gilbert even if he was available. I do not like him at all and cannot understand why everyone thinks he's a top 10 pick. His tackling is putrid and personally I don't think he looks good in coverage either, he just seems to have such good athleticism that he can overcome it at the college level. One of the few first round prospects I would actually be upset about if we took him.
     
  30. LBsFinest

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    lol ouch!
     
  31. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

    PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN Well-Known Member

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    I find it hard to believe you are doing this considering you wanted us to sign Jared Gaither to play LT.
     
  32. LBsFinest

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    no, he pretty much sucked balls on both sides.

    I'm not giving up on them, all I'm doing is arguing that if a certain elite CB prospect should somehow fall to us, we shouldn't hesitate to take him. I think the following would classify more as an example of someone giving up on our rookies after one season:

    hey wait a minute...that's you! crazy, right?
     
  33. Da 'Fins

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    I like Gilbert but there are question-marks. And the reality is, the D will be pretty good next year - better than last year, imo. I like the competition at CB (including Michael Thomas as a potential dime back).

    I think we ultimately need offensive firepower that we don't have. Including an improved OL, and WR, RB and another TE.

    We don't have a "Grimes" caliber player at WR. And, in the NFL, you ostensibly need at least 3 WR's who can really get it done. Hartline is coming off injury. Wallace is who he is. But, the #3, #4, #5 players at WR either have question marks (injuries), or simply are not explosive players.
     
  34. EverFin

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    I'm usually for BPA at a skill position. But if you have a glaring need and player available who is close to BPA than take him. I know, the grades on Bitonio and James are not that high but I believe, both are better than their grades and would be quality players on our O-Line (it's a glaring need to keep our QB alive an give the running game some space). It would be perfect, to get James in the second round (maybe by trading up), but I would not be disappointed by drafting one of them at 19. But If you go BPA than do it right. It doesn't matter if the BPA ist a WR, a LB or Corner. Regardeless if you have already a star at a skill position on your roster, he is always one play away from an ACL or another injury. Great players wins championships, if you can draft one do it.
     
  35. LBsFinest

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    Where was all this crying for another weapon when I advocated for adding one last offseason even after we signed Wallace and Gibson and everyone told me the unit was fine?
     
  36. EverFin

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    Keller was also added as a weapon - but like I mentioned before you are always one hit away from losing a part of a good formation.
     
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  37. Da 'Fins

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    You never heard that from me! I was all over getting more weapons and wanted to draft Tavon Austin in round 1. Still do feel that we should have gone offense in round 1.
     
  38. Fin D

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    As i pointed out to you earlier, at the time you were calling for another weapon we had Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Bess, Keller & Clay. We ended the season with Wallace & Clay and Hartline & Gibson are still recovering from knee injuries. Basically, this year is not the same as last year. The only guaranteed receiving weapons we have right now are Wallace, Clay and Mathews.

    And ftr, I was still in favor of drafting Austin and especially Bailey.
     
  39. Alex44

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    Well I agree with you entirely on this, but IMO if the top tackles are gone and Gilbert is there you take him and don't look back unless a huge name drops.

    I'd then explore trading up into the early-mid second to take a guy like J. James at RT.
     
  40. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Gilbert is not the consensus #1 corner. Dennard is rated #1 by some. Fuller by some. What if 2 of those 3 are available? I'd rather have Dennard, or Fuller myself, but there will be other good players available at positions of more need, so just cannot see taking a corner. This is a deep corner and WR draft. No need to panic and take one at 19.
     

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